feranti said:

Pentacle said:

The Dutch journalist who was invited to PP just said on TV that Prince will decide if he goes ahead with the tour AFTER the first concert in Vienna. Apparently he wants to test his new formula first.

Then three Dutch pianist gave their interpretations of Raspberry Beret, Purple Rain, and I Could Never... which were all very nice.

If that's true, then he anounced the tour, got his fans (fams!?) excited and even had venues preped to sell tickets, only to decide he may or may not actually do the concerts.

He really is a contemptuous little man (and not because of his height) who likes to waist peoples time so what ? he can feel important and relevant again.

With prince every little thing can lead to that little prince fan inside just disappearing more and more.

I don't believe that for a second. Even if it was Prince's plan (which I highly doubt), he would hardly give that information to a journalist!

feranti said:

I think bowie has bowed out and said he is through with live performances

lot's of artists big and other wise make statements, and in more effective and grown up (and sometimes not so grown up ways). if your saying which other star would dick there fans around like this, then yeah not many

mattj said:

Im sorry but him those who dont like the ride then get off !! its always been like this being a P fan ..P the global superstar is making a statement.. what other artist has done this.. madge NO..Bruce NO.. Beyonce..NO.. Coldplay NO.. would i still make every effort to see this living legend YES..this is on the back of seeing "get on up" ..we havent got many living legends left.. bowie/Bruce/madge ..I planned to take my 11 year old son to this concert ..first ever gig... he's lived with P music since he's been born .. now loves Tiny Tempah..Labrinth..Fetty wap !! would they ever do this .NO..would i be patient with them ..NO.. We're P fans...expect the unexpected

Ticketmaster are essentially commiting fraud and are fucking over fans and Prince alike. That's not a good enough reason to postpone tickets sales whilst some other, more trustworthy method or company is sought out? FFS - it's all about ME (i.e. YOU) and how everything affects just you. Try and think of the bigger picture. Someone as cynical and downbeat as you are about Prince will not for one minute think he is protecting the interests of his fans, but he is one of few with the balls to highlight the criminal (and I'm not using that word in a legal sense, because there is no law to stop them) malpractice they are commiting. I'll gladly take the delay over boosting the profits of a bunch of manipulating, self-serving cunts like Ticketmaster. You clearly have no problem with that and would rather bitch about how Prince has inconvenienced you - nice one!

Wow that is such an angry message (and what the org is famous for) okay lets see how much of a stand he takes and how long it lasts. He used ticket master last year and did not care then, i doubt he will care this time next week.

are you still holding out for prince to change the world ? hold your breath, please lol

Mindflux said:

feranti said:

I think bowie has bowed out and said he is through with live performances

lot's of artists big and other wise make statements, and in more effective and grown up (and sometimes not so grown up ways). if your saying which other star would dick there fans around like this, then yeah not many

Ticketmaster are essentially commiting fraud and are fucking over fans and Prince alike. That's not a good enough reason to postpone tickets sales whilst some other, more trustworthy method or company is sought out? FFS - it's all about ME (i.e. YOU) and how everything affects just you. Try and think of the bigger picture. Someone as cynical and downbeat as you are about Prince will not for one minute think he is protecting the interests of his fans, but he is one of few with the balls to highlight the criminal (and I'm not using that word in a legal sense, because there is no law to stop them) malpractice they are commiting. I'll gladly take the delay over boosting the profits of a bunch of manipulating, self-serving cunts like Ticketmaster. You clearly have no problem with that and would rather bitch about how Prince has inconvenienced you - nice one!

Ticketmaster being crooks and the system being crooked is not news, maybe for prince but not his fans or fams for that matter. Yes i am anoyed at the situation. I think that is my right, as it is your right to rant like a loon because of my opinion.

Mindflux said:

feranti said:

I think bowie has bowed out and said he is through with live performances

lot's of artists big and other wise make statements, and in more effective and grown up (and sometimes not so grown up ways). if your saying which other star would dick there fans around like this, then yeah not many

Ticketmaster are essentially commiting fraud and are fucking over fans and Prince alike. That's not a good enough reason to postpone tickets sales whilst some other, more trustworthy method or company is sought out? FFS - it's all about ME (i.e. YOU) and how everything affects just you. Try and think of the bigger picture. Someone as cynical and downbeat as you are about Prince will not for one minute think he is protecting the interests of his fans, but he is one of few with the balls to highlight the criminal (and I'm not using that word in a legal sense, because there is no law to stop them) malpractice they are commiting. I'll gladly take the delay over boosting the profits of a bunch of manipulating, self-serving cunts like Ticketmaster. You clearly have no problem with that and would rather bitch about how Prince has inconvenienced you - nice one!

wilgartw said:

Hi folks, I never understand why touts get such a bad press ... Hold on let me finish. There are calls in this thread for the govt to make them illegal, what in a free market capitalist economy? The govt can't even get Starbucks to pay their taxes, which they (and probably we) wave a lot more to gain from. Incidentally, I picked up a 12" copy of gotta stop messing about in 1982 in a bargain bin, I never listen to it these days, can I only sell it for 20p otherwise I am ripping off the real fans?


The idea of photo tickets is great, glastonbury does it, but in order to do that there needs to be a returns policy. The promoters are normally not keen on that, mainly as they would loose out, how many times have you bought tickets to a gig and then couldn't go? If I couldn't give / sell the tickets to a friend then I would want my money back, or else I would lose out. The venues would need more staff, and more infrastructure would be needed for each ticket site to store your personal details (they could recoup this by selling your details on! ) the ticket booking fee would also be more expensive if a colour photo needed to be printed individually.

What I totally disagree with is the resale sites being owned by the ticket sellers, especially if some are being funnelled off. Also ebay's stub hub - have you seen the charges? I tried to use it last year to sell some tickets at face value and needed to charge nearly 30% more (see point about returns above).

My final point, honest, artist setting up their own ticket selling sites? Really? Do you know the amount of software development needed for this,me specially for seated venues? Every artist's team knowing the layouts and legal t&cs for every venue they ever play. It would be Ike suggesting prince employs a full time lighting crew and and buys all the lights instead of renting them for the 6 shows he is doing (possibly) in the UK this year. Of course artists should use ticket sites, they just need to ensure they are ethical.

Ethical ticket selling sites, photo I'd / tickets, refund policy. No touts.

feranti said:

Militant said:

It's nice to see an artist of Prince's stature address the touting problem. Maybe this is the straw that will break the camel's back and get him to bring back NPGMC. Sam Jennings did an absolutely fantastic mockup recently of what a 2015, mobile-centric NPGMC could look like.

I wonder how long it would take him to set up a quick website. Foo Fighters did this with their last tour. Tickets were to be purchased at box offices but only fans (fan club members)were allowed to purchase them. And only those fans that got tickets were allowed to enter the concerts with proper identification. Shit I was about to book a trip to London too.

Is it really self centered to expect an update ? So i can arrange my life around a show i would of very much liked to see ?

is it self centered to expect some information about something i am willing to part a pretty hefty fee to go and support an artist ?

is it self centered to want to give money to your favourite artist in exchange for an entertaining performance ?

oe do i need to consider every facet of life just to expereince a night of music ?

Mindflux said:

feranti said:

Wow that is such an angry message (and what the org is famous for) okay lets see how much of a stand he takes and how long it lasts. He used ticket master last year and did not care then, i doubt he will care this time next week.

are you still holding out for prince to change the world ? hold your breath, please lol

Prince highlighting the issues is a good first step - whether it will change anything depends on a lot more people becoming engaged. How angry about it you are depends on how much it affects you. How do you earn your living? I'm a music - producer and musician and that is how I make mine. And I can tell you that musicians are being fucked over left, right and centre - from unscrupulous labels, to dodgy promoters, to thieving middle - men ticket agencies to "fans" who no longer feel the need to pay for an artists work. So, excuse me, but I every right to be passionate about the subject and react to the general self-centerdness and dismissive nature of views akin to yours.

Mindflux said:

wilgartw said:

Hi folks, I never understand why touts get such a bad press ... Hold on let me finish. There are calls in this thread for the govt to make them illegal, what in a free market capitalist economy? The govt can't even get Starbucks to pay their taxes, which they (and probably we) wave a lot more to gain from. Incidentally, I picked up a 12" copy of gotta stop messing about in 1982 in a bargain bin, I never listen to it these days, can I only sell it for 20p otherwise I am ripping off the real fans?


The idea of photo tickets is great, glastonbury does it, but in order to do that there needs to be a returns policy. The promoters are normally not keen on that, mainly as they would loose out, how many times have you bought tickets to a gig and then couldn't go? If I couldn't give / sell the tickets to a friend then I would want my money back, or else I would lose out. The venues would need more staff, and more infrastructure would be needed for each ticket site to store your personal details (they could recoup this by selling your details on! ) the ticket booking fee would also be more expensive if a colour photo needed to be printed individually.

What I totally disagree with is the resale sites being owned by the ticket sellers, especially if some are being funnelled off. Also ebay's stub hub - have you seen the charges? I tried to use it last year to sell some tickets at face value and needed to charge nearly 30% more (see point about returns above).

My final point, honest, artist setting up their own ticket selling sites? Really? Do you know the amount of software development needed for this,me specially for seated venues? Every artist's team knowing the layouts and legal t&cs for every venue they ever play. It would be Ike suggesting prince employs a full time lighting crew and and buys all the lights instead of renting them for the 6 shows he is doing (possibly) in the UK this year. Of course artists should use ticket sites, they just need to ensure they are ethical.

Ethical ticket selling sites, photo I'd / tickets, refund policy. No touts.

I agree with a lot of what you say, but what Ticketmaster are doing is not "free market capitalism" - it is a form of insider trading and fraud. If they were doing this in the stock - market, they would be prosecuted. The law needs to change to stop this highly unethical practice they are engaging in.

3rdeyedude said:

feranti said:

Spoke to a friend today who already contacted the Amsterdam venue -Carré- for some details and ticket advantage (he works with dutch artists that perform there often), but apperantly there wasn't anything to confirm yet and almost all dutch celebrities have their eyes set on tickets so that will already fill half the place if not all...If it will take place then getting your hands on tickets will be as tough as it will for example an aftershow in Paradiso...

[Edited 11/13/15 13:40pm]

Trying to get the topic back to the topic of music: If the tour will happen - and I sure hope it will, that's how you play funky music with a piano and a microphone:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xV7F-JwTx_U

Rest in Peace, Allen Toussaint!

no it's not that hard neither is prince releasing a statement that is coherent.

not picture of vultures. that is not a statement.

prince has not said anything. a few weird strange crappy posts on twitter might titilate you but that is not information, that is not a statement

also

it is not that hard to approach a forum with some decorum and less anger. We are all here because we have or at some point thought the purple sun shines from princes voice.

tbh honest after seeing the show last year, i really dont think the pay of is worth it.

of course i was up for this, willing to part with a decent amount of cash (if tickets available from the venue) but your saying now, that is not enough, instead i have to wait for the prince tantrum to subside before sitting beside the laptop again.

relationships are a two way street, and what i expect (in your eyes selfishly) is when i am willing to pay £175 for a conert that there is already very little info as to what it actually is, (piano, piano and band)

is at least a time and date so i can have a shout at a ticket from the ticketing venue. i would selfishly stretch to a written apology, not to me personally just a 'hey sorry about this guys, we will sort it out and get back to you.'

if you think that is selfish i suspect you strugle in relationships.

Mindflux said:

feranti said:

Is it really self centered to expect an update ? So i can arrange my life around a show i would of very much liked to see ?

is it self centered to expect some information about something i am willing to part a pretty hefty fee to go and support an artist ?

is it self centered to want to give money to your favourite artist in exchange for an entertaining performance ?

oe do i need to consider every facet of life just to expereince a night of music ?

Yes, yes, no and to a degree. It only happened 12 hours ago! Prince reacted moments after Ticketmaster started offering fraudulent and, at that point, non-existant tickets! Pretty soon after, he DID explain the reasons on Twitter, or are you just ignoring the fact that he has said that Ticketmaster were immediately touting the tickets at outrageous prices. Venues have confirmed that as far as they are concerned, the dates are still on. You might just have to wait a day or two - is that really so hard?

feranti said:

nl06645 said:

The massacre in Paris might just pull the handbreak on Prince's EU Tour preparations, still executions at le Bataclan as I type, horror....

Holy Shit. Eagles of Death Metal were playing (Josh Homme , lead singer from Queens of the Stone age is in that band)

3rdeyedude said:

nl06645 said:

The massacre in Paris might just pull the handbreak on Prince's EU Tour preparations, still executions at le Bataclan as I type, horror....

Holy Shit. Eagles of Death Metal were playing (Josh Homme , lead singer from Queens of the Stone age is in that band)

I think ths puts all our gripes and discussion today into perspective. What the fuck are we doing?

3rdeyedude said:

nl06645 said:

The massacre in Paris might just pull the handbreak on Prince's EU Tour preparations, still executions at le Bataclan as I type, horror....

Holy Shit. Eagles of Death Metal were playing (Josh Homme , lead singer from Queens of the Stone age is in that band)

I hope the band are OK. I hope the attendees are ok, but it doesn't look good at all

As soon as I heard about the Bataclan, I instantly thought Prince has performed there and released tracks from there

This is live on TV now and it's getting so very worse.

tatocorcu said:

My thoughts with all the victims and in particular with the hostages still being held - I cannot begin to understand how they must be feeling. Awful evening in a city I love so much.

It's all so very bad indeed. Just shocking. Terrible! So terrible!

Rob Thomas talked about this and the 'reserved seating' issue when MatchBox Twenty toured in 2009.

Here's how he explained his current situation.

HEY PEEPS,

So, it’s tour time again and we all know what that means. More messages about everyone’s problems getting the tickets they want. I can’t say everything I need to in 140 characters, so I thought I would direct everyone who cares to here.

Please understand that my twitter site isn’t the “ticket complaint” dept., so after this, I am not going to answer any questions regarding tickets. If anyone sees any concerns, please direct them here.

We’re working hard to get the best seats we can but there are many layers of commitments that we have to work within outside of a normal headlining show. It’s hard to explain but there are a lot of “hands in the pot” in terms of inventory for this tour. Normally, there would be a headline tour and you’d have to deal with the following:

-PRESALE
-VIP PACKAGE
-PROMOTER HOLDS
-LABEL HOLDS
-MAYBE CITI/AMEX
-MAYBE TM PLATINUM SEATS

Because we are doing this tour together with the GOO-GOO DOLLS, there is a lot more going on in terms of what demand is put on the tour for inventory. You have everyone below fighting for great seats:

-MB20 PRESALE
-GOO GOO PRESALE
-MB20 FAN CLUB BUNDLE
-GOO GOO FAN CLUB BUNDLE
-MB20 VIP PACKAGE
-GOO GOO VIP PACKAGE
-CITI CARD PRESALE
-TICKETMASTER PLATINUM SEATS
-PROMPTER HOLDS
-LABEL HOLDS FOR GOO GOO
-LABEL HOLDS FOR MB20

All of these elements to the campaign are assigned holds or pull from opens (availability after holds). Also, because this is a Live Nation tour in sheds, most of the venues have season ticket holders that hold a license to the seats in the venue. These patrons get first pass at tickets and because this is a popular tour, I would guess most of those license holders jumped on the opportunity to purchase tickets.

Generally, VIPs and Platinum seats are assigned holds after the season ticket holds. Then, from there, fan club opportunities (both the bundle and the coupon code protected sale) are tied to 50% of the venue being open - basically the next best 50% of the house that's available. Then all additional requirements get peppered to serve as a middle ground to the fan club inventory (citi, label, etc.).

Also, we have gotten more replies from people that are happy with their seats than unhappy. Happy people don’t usually complain.

This is a complete list of why anyone may be having problems. I hope it answers everyone’s questions. See you out there.

nl06645 said:

The massacre in Paris might just pull the handbreak on Prince's EU Tour preparations, still executions at le Bataclan as I type, horror....

I believe so.

nl06645 said:

The massacre in Paris might just pull the handbreak on Prince's EU Tour preparations, still executions at le Bataclan as I type, horror....

Tragic and puts things into perspective. Fans whining over the inconvenience of post-poned ticket sales doesn't hold a candle to the real serious problems going on in this world this very moment. Blessings counted...

feranti said:

MJ007 said:

nl06645 said:

The massacre in Paris might just pull the handbreak on Prince's EU Tour preparations, still executions at le Bataclan as I type, horror....

Tragic and puts things into perspective. Fans whining over the inconvenience of post-poned ticket sales doesn't hold a candle to the real serious problems going on in this world this very moment. Blessings counted...

You have a point there. The tour can always be rescheduled, it's not the end of the world.

MJ007 said:

your a very unplesant corresponder, very ... not even passively aggressive. just aggressive.

not even entertaining either. just agressive.

is that happily married as in prince would say he has a great relationship with his fans ?

Mindflux said:

feranti said:

no it's not that hard neither is prince releasing a statement that is coherent.

not picture of vultures. that is not a statement.

prince has not said anything. a few weird strange crappy posts on twitter might titilate you but that is not information, that is not a statement

also

it is not that hard to approach a forum with some decorum and less anger. We are all here because we have or at some point thought the purple sun shines from princes voice.

tbh honest after seeing the show last year, i really dont think the pay of is worth it.

of course i was up for this, willing to part with a decent amount of cash (if tickets available from the venue) but your saying now, that is not enough, instead i have to wait for the prince tantrum to subside before sitting beside the laptop again.

relationships are a two way street, and what i expect (in your eyes selfishly) is when i am willing to pay £175 for a conert that there is already very little info as to what it actually is, (piano, piano and band)

is at least a time and date so i can have a shout at a ticket from the ticketing venue. i would selfishly stretch to a written apology, not to me personally just a 'hey sorry about this guys, we will sort it out and get back to you.'

if you think that is selfish i suspect you strugle in relationships.

Fortunately for me, your suspicions about my relationship abilities (happily married with children) are as wrong as the rest of your assertions. If Prince's statements about ticket agencies being scavengers and touts is not strong enough, then perhaps only being hit over the head repeatedly with it printed on the hammer would be enough for you? If then linking to a report from a sell - known and respected consumer magazine about agency's dodgy practices is stl not enough, then maybe there really is little hope for you. Then there are immediate reports in publications like The Guardian - they didn't seem to have any problem grasping Prince's concept. No, it seems you need everything spelled out, personalised, delivered to your armchair and served on a platter. If it's too much aggro for you and "not worth the pay off", why even bother? Give someone who really wants to go a chance, particularly as you are learning to loath what you once loved! [Snip - luv4u]

nl06645 said:

The massacre in Paris might just pull the handbreak on Prince's EU Tour preparations, still executions at le Bataclan as I type, horror....

Christ, didn't know until I came here to see if there had been any ticket updates. Terrible