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New topic Printable>the guy is near enough 50, He wont be able to sell out huge stadiums for much longer,
Russian novelist and dissident Alexander Solzhenitsyn is currently hard at work on the publication of new editions of his writings... at 89! So let's not send Prince to an old people's home too soon. I'm sure he'll be in full command of his art and related activities for many more years. Like my 79-year-old mum said: it's not because I have one foot in the grave that one should trample on the other one:).. andykeen said: Listen,
I can't stand when prince sells out like this, its just so not 'him' But the guy is near enough 50, He wont be able to sell out huge stadiums for much longer, so he needs to make as much $$$ to keep PP and his recording going.. come'on do U reckon he will wanna sell PP in a few years just because he didn't have the $$ to keep it running?! | |
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>Prince is impulsive, he's a Gemini.
Tell me about it, me too! His is on the 7th, mine is on the 6th - I'm the same unpredictable pest as Prince and many others from the G species:) [No offense to fellow Gem orgers I hope:)].. Clevelandgirl said: Flo6 said: I'm not an economist, [and not being in the US, I don't know anything about kc, the sunshine band and Jeffrey Soffer], so sorry if this sounds a naive question, but isn't there such a thing as market prices?
A concert by Prince at the O2 Arena in London costs 31.21 pounds, a performance by Prince at a private party costs $2 million [for ex.], a private concert by a little known artist costs between $xx and $xx, and a concert by a world famous one costs 10-20 times more. Does that make any sense? And there is such a thing as the 'elite market'. Here in Moscow there is the annual Millionaires' Fair showcasing luxury goods and services in various sectors and which is open to the public. I could walk around there for hours whining about how unfair and disgusting it all is. But then, there is a market for it. No matter how cold and calculating it sounds, music is a business, therefore its participants play by the economic rules of that business. And no matter how romantic or spiritual some of Prince's ballads and thoughtful lyrics are, he too has to play by those rules. And I don't think it would make any sense, economic as well as image-wise, for him to cheapen himself by not aksing for fees in the top range - when he is charging someone in the elite market. As for the moral aspect of participating in the economy of his business sphere in the most profitable way he can, that I think is a question of a personal order: something that's between himself and his conscience. Well said....very well said. We need to take our emotions out of it and understand that at the end of the day it is a business. Prince never does anything without an underlying reason to do it. It makes business and economic sense. Prince is impulsive, he's a Gemini. You know, Prince being the incredibly gifted artist that he is, is on a totally different level, not saying he's greater or better than us. Prince is going to do what Prince wants to do and Prince is going to be just fine. He does everything for a reason whether it makes sense to us or not. Prince is going to be Prince. | |
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>I think some of you should get over the slave (business) and move on.
Exactly. Prince has: in his usual forward-looking fashion, the life-long learner,seeker and innovator is trying out things, learning from them, retaining what works best for him, and then moves on to try new artistic and business models. It seems inappropriate to me to compare his behavior/actions/philosophies of 10-20 years ago with those of today. His decision to play at that priavte party in Miami, I feel, should be seen within the current economic conditons of 2007, as well his own current profesional ones. Many among us seem to be stuck in Purple Rain- or Slave-period mode or on some major event in Prince's earlier career and assess his every contemporary move by looking through that old lens. laurarichardson said: Where have you been? Prince has signed a few contracts over the last 10 years.
You really don't have a chance at distrubing your music and marketing without a label. At least we know P does not have the no how to do it from the CB disaster. I think he gave being independent a good try and now he is trying to use labels for distrubution and marketing in one off deals. I think some of you should get over the slave (business) and move on. ----- sosgemini said: so, prince can sign another CONtract and we are supposed to ignore the SLAVE's plea ehhh? | |
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He is free, and does what he wants too. This is the difference between artist under contract, and thouse without. But, as I recall from erlier, this is not new. Didnt MJ perform for a oilbaron or prince(hehe)? And many others have done private conserts in the past Also, I think our man probably will (because of his strong will) go on til he is 6 foot under. James did it, and look at the ooooold dudes in the blues arena going strong til theis 90s.....lol. Stones....need I say more
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My goodness! Forget the sports forum, this joint needs a reading comprehension forum! When did I say anything about morality or spirituality?
Flo6 said: I agree that, being the innovator that he is, Prince has been making his own professional rules as much as he can for much of his career and in various spheres [new distribution models, daring marketing moves, etc.], so yes, he has often given the world the impression that he doesn't have to play by the accepted standards, and most of the time he has done so successfully. But I believe he still has to function within the basic economic structure that regulates this Planet Earth.
So: there is demand for top-charging rock stars to play at private parties, and he is just answering that demand, regardless of how that looks like on a moral/spiritual level. SexyBeautifulOne said: That's the problem!!! For 2 and a half decades...Prince has never HAD TO play by those rules!!! It doesn't seem rather strange to you that NOW...at the highest point of his career excluding the Purple Rain era...that he's suddenly so accommodating at playing by somebody else's rules? [Edited 12/18/07 21:10pm] | |
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SexyBeautifulOne said: I really don't care what anyone has to say about "everyone else is doing it" or "taking from the rich to give to the poor". I really don't!
You can't excuse away reality. It is what it is! All of my gut instincts are telling me that the reality of this particular situation is...SOMETHING IS NOT RIGHT! Red flags have been flying all over the place for quite a while now. Excuses just aren't working anymore at shielding their visibility from those paying attention. You appear to be assuming that the attention you are paying reflects something being not right with Prince as opposed to something being not right with you. . [Edited 12/20/07 6:15am] | |
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SexyBeautifulOne said: Now add that to the LA parties, the $3121.00 Roosevelt gig, the Vegas shows, the 21 London shows, those other Prince for Hire parties he's done recently, the demanding that fansites compensate him for having his pictures on them and you've got someone who never had to do any of that to get rich as hell, seemingly in desperate need of money. There is something very wrong with that.
You use the phrase: 'seemingly in desperate need of money'. Seemingly? On what basis are you drawing this conclusion? If P charges a fee for a product of his that the audience is prepared to pay, then does that make him desperate for money? I also don't understand how you incorporate P's 21 nights in London into the equation, where tickets were sold to the public at £31.21, as evidence of P being 'in desperate need for money'? You also assume that P's aim is to get 'rich as hell'. Again, on what basis? Because he is charging fees that the audience are prepared to pay? . [Edited 12/20/07 6:16am] | |
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SexyBeautifulOne said: I'm upset because he's gone from a phenomenal musical genius to what equates as a peddling musical whore in just the last 4 years of a fabulously illustrious career and only a few seem to be able to see that for what it is...ODD AS HELL!
So charging what an audience is prepared to pay equates to being a "peddling musical whore"? It's funny how P choosing to do things which are not in line with either your expectations, your beliefs or even your knowledge of his past activities, means that there is something wrong with him? What if he's always been like what you now believe of him? Does that make him any less of a musical genius? | |
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SexyBeautifulOne said: It's been his job for damn near 30 years! Until about 4 years ago, there wasn't enough money in the world to get Prince Rogers Nelson to be a damn party favor! Whether the folks camped out on that isle called denial, care to believe it or not...SOMETHING IS AMISS!
On what basis do you get the idea that this is "a party favor"? Prince is choosing to create, and respond to, market forces in the way he has always done. P has always made decisions according to what suits him. There really are no favours here. | |
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SexyBeautifulOne said: Serious question here...
If someone told you that 5 years ago, what would you have thought and/or said? If people told you in 1980 during the Dirty Mind era that 5 years later P would be making psychedelic pop influenced by the Beatles, would you have believed them? Or that 5 years after that, he would be making the soundtrack to the hugely commercial Hollywood blockbuster Batman? Or that 5 years after that, he would be calling himself a slave to the powers that purportedly agreed with him a landmark multi-million dollar contract? Or that 5 years after that, he would denounce much of his previous belief system and become a Jehovah's Witness?Prince has always changed in major ways. You're being somewhat shortsighted if you're aware of his chameleon-like nature to assume his actions 5 years ago would resemble what he does today. | |
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SexyBeautifulOne said: It doesn't seem rather strange to you that NOW...at the highest point of his career excluding the Purple Rain era...that he's suddenly so accommodating at playing by somebody else's rules?
What makes you think he's playing by someone else's rules? Prince is making his own choices, as he always has done. He's continuing to play by his own rules and the choices he makes for himself. No one is forcing him to do anything. | |
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SexyBeautifulOne said: I just want it documented that somebody was paying attention. Somebody knew something was WRONG and somebody tried to alert the masses.
Is that because in lacking internal validation, somebody is seeking it externally? Could that somebody be suffering from a form of narcissistic vulnerability? | |
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SexyBeautifulOne said: Come on now...don't be shy! This is the opportunity of a lifetime...Prince is doing anything as long as big money is involved...if enough of us get together on this...we could have him dancing to our tune in no time! So who's in?
If P chooses to do something, is he not dancing to his own tune? | |
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SexyBeautifulOne said: My replies are in bold.
gunner said: OK, so I have never posted here before, but I just had to ask why this is such a big deal? For those of you saying it is sad that he has sunk to this level...playing in an airplane hanger for uber rich pseudo fans, and that he never would have stooped to this 4 years ago. Have you already forgotten that he sold out 21 shows at the O2? Nope! You are trying to convince us that his star has faded? The only thing I'm trying to convince people of is to stop playing blind and start wondering why he is suddenly so hard up for cash and doing things that for the better part of his career he'd have never done to get it!
Was it a sellout to play the superbowl halftime show this spring? It was in the winter and quite frankly...yes...yes it was! Was it just plain sad that he opened up Paisley Park and asked people to "donate" money to L4OA charity every weekend for a whole summer? Since I don't live anywhere near Paisley Park, I wouldn't know but I'll ask around! Was it strange that he reduced himself to a "sideman" playing small theaters with Tamar? Yes...yes it was! Was it dissapointing that he played for a small group of fans at a small Macy's theater in minneapolis prior to his Target Center and 1st Ave gigs? According to the folks that were sweltering in the heat...apparently so! Was it "whoring" himself when he set up shop in Vegas? Oh hell yes! That was really when I started sensing something wasn't right! Let's see if we can figure out some reasons that Prince might play the Turnberry Party... 1)He knows the guy Maybe 2)He wanted to make connections with some of the powerful people that were going to be there. Possibly 3)He wanted to showcase a performance/his band to industry folks You're really reaching here! 4)Lots and Lots of money Ding! Ding! Ding! I think we have a winner! 5)100 other reasons that we might not think about. I'm pretty sure that last reason just about sums it up! Anyway, I'm going to go throw in a little Around The World In A Day and relax. I'm hoping someone on the Org can figure out what is really going on with Prince. Evidently this is the beginning of the end...but I'm not too worried. We'll just have to wait and see on that...but I'm going to do it listening to Miles, Marvin, Stevie and some real PFUNK thanks! This is where I have a major problem. Why SexyBeautifulOne do you feel it's your job to convince anyone of anything with Prince, especially on this topic? No offense but that's stupid. There is no need for you or anyone else to do this. Me and others get that you're mad and that's cool but this is not going to stop Prince from doing what he does. Even if you found out the reason why he's doing these shows, what good will it be for you and for us? What if the reason is positive? Will you be mad at Prince for that too? When does it end? Prince will never win for trying and that's the bottom line. [Edited 12/20/07 7:17am] I'm not a fan of "old Prince". I'm not a fan of "new Prince". I'm just a fan of Prince. Simple as that | |
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XNY said: SexyBeautifulOne said: My replies are in bold.
Does that mean you're going to leave us and torture Miles.org, Marvin.com, and Stevie.org fans instead? I'm not a fan of "old Prince". I'm not a fan of "new Prince". I'm just a fan of Prince. Simple as that | |
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Anji said: SexyBeautifulOne said: I really don't care what anyone has to say about "everyone else is doing it" or "taking from the rich to give to the poor". I really don't!
You can't excuse away reality. It is what it is! All of my gut instincts are telling me that the reality of this particular situation is...SOMETHING IS NOT RIGHT! Red flags have been flying all over the place for quite a while now. Excuses just aren't working anymore at shielding their visibility from those paying attention. You appear to be assuming that the attention you are paying reflects something being not right with Prince as opposed to something being not right with you. . [Edited 12/20/07 6:15am] Actually, Anji...I said "something is not right" but I didn't necessarily say it was not right with Prince. Why is it that you're always so quick to question my well being when I say something about Prince that you don't agree with? | |
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Anji said: SexyBeautifulOne said: Now add that to the LA parties, the $3121.00 Roosevelt gig, the Vegas shows, the 21 London shows, those other Prince for Hire parties he's done recently, the demanding that fansites compensate him for having his pictures on them and you've got someone who never had to do any of that to get rich as hell, seemingly in desperate need of money. There is something very wrong with that.
You use the phrase: 'seemingly in desperate need of money'. Seemingly? On what basis are you drawing this conclusion? If P charges a fee for a product of his that the audience is prepared to pay, then does that make him desperate for money? I also don't understand how you incorporate P's 21 nights in London into the equation, where tickets were sold to the public at £31.21, as evidence of P being 'in desperate need for money'? You also assume that P's aim is to get 'rich as hell'. Again, on what basis? Because he is charging fees that the audience are prepared to pay? . [Edited 12/20/07 6:16am] Because that's the way it SEEMS to ME! I didn't assume P's aim is to get 'rich as hell'...I SAID: "you've got someone who never had to do any of that to get rich as hell"...meaning he's already rich as hell. | |
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now listen, purrrple reen puurple reen purrple reeeen puurple reee eeen | |
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Y'all are making this entirely too complicated. I said what I feel and that's all there is to it!
For all the folks that are questioning my mentality, motivations and what the fuck ever...if I'm so wayyyy off base and out of order...why are y'all working double time concerning yourselves with what I've got to say about any of it? | |
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What's the big deal? Maybe this Turnberry guy was such a Prince fan he just had to have Prince perform for his B-day. Do you know how many people would love for P to perform for them? | |
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SexyBeautifulOne said: Anji said: You use the phrase: 'seemingly in desperate need of money'. Seemingly? On what basis are you drawing this conclusion? If P charges a fee for a product of his that the audience is prepared to pay, then does that make him desperate for money? I also don't understand how you incorporate P's 21 nights in London into the equation, where tickets were sold to the public at £31.21, as evidence of P being 'in desperate need for money'? You also assume that P's aim is to get 'rich as hell'. Again, on what basis? Because he is charging fees that the audience are prepared to pay? . [Edited 12/20/07 6:16am] Because that's the way it SEEMS to ME! Sure but what's your reason for it seeming to you this way? I assume you have a reason? | |
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SexyBeautifulOne said: Y'all are making this entirely too complicated. I said what I feel and that's all there is to it!
Perhaps, a child can give this kind of response. But that doesn't really stack up as an adult. | |
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Anxiety said: look, on the one hand i'm not mad at him. i don't care if donald trump hires prince to play banjo in a dildo emporium, he's making money and i'm sure web sheriff ain't cheap, so sometimes you gotta take on extra work to afford the things that are important to you.
on the other hand, PRINCE PERFORMED WITH K.C. AND THE SUNSHINE BAND IN A FREAKIN AIRPLANE HANGAR. One can guess the encore: Purple Plane | |
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Did you all forget?????
Dude's got 2 ex-wives to pay for..... "
First I need a picture of your mother, to verify the fact that there's not another one in the universe so supreme!!" | |
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Surely these are the end of days... "Plaid shorts are completely over." | |
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Anji said: SexyBeautifulOne said: Y'all are making this entirely too complicated. I said what I feel and that's all there is to it!
Perhaps, a child can give this kind of response. But that doesn't really stack up as an adult. thats a childish, rude and uncalled for statement. Space for sale... | |
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sosgemini said: Anji said: Perhaps, a child can give this kind of response. But that doesn't really stack up as an adult. thats a childish, rude and uncalled for statement. agree,, , but wtf.. come on people..... | |
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Nice birthday for those who can afford it. | |
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An aircraft hanger is probably the only place he can fit his ego these days | |
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Mong said: Yeah, he's such a sellout.
For God's sake, all big acts do this. I was under the impression that he does music for a living. that is a great point. if you are an artist... do you only paint for the love of art and paint only for those who can truly understand and appreciate ART, or do you also take work as a graphic artist, and get paid by the corporate world so that you can afford to buy the easels, and canvases to keep paint for the love of art. "Remember, one man's filler is another man's killer" -- Haystack | |
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