IanRG said:

I would like to think that it is irresponsible of me, just as you would like to think you and LoveGalore were only correcting spelling or word usage by dunderheads.

However, what LoveGalore with you did several times to several people was a chargable offence as sexual harassment in many jurisdictions. Had you done it on in a work group chat/email environment, it would be a sackable offence. It could also have had serious implications for this forum's owner and administration.

Do you really want to go on and on and on about it or just move forward treating all with respect?

You're trying to play lawyer and accuse me of sexual harrassment. Not sure how that's respectful. But you do you... and your usual argumentative self. Respectfully, of course.

TrivialPursuit said:

IanRG said:

I would like to think that it is irresponsible of me, just as you would like to think you and LoveGalore were only correcting spelling or word usage by dunderheads.

However, what LoveGalore with you did several times to several people was a chargable offence as sexual harassment in many jurisdictions. Had you done it on in a work group chat/email environment, it would be a sackable offence. It could also have had serious implications for this forum's owner and administration.

Do you really want to go on and on and on about it or just move forward treating all with respect?

You're trying to play lawyer and accuse me of sexual harrassment. Not sure how that's respectful. But you do you... and your usual argumentative self. Respectfully, of course.

Showing respect for others includes seeking to make sure that this is a safe place where people will not be propositioned (if male), told to go have sex (if female), or quizzed about their sex life in ways deliberately meant to make them feel uncomfortable - all so they just stop disagreeing with LoveGalore.

HT #1 - I really need to live more in the moment. The past happened and there's not much I can do about it and worrying about the future is pointless. Trying to control this brain is a full-time job some days...

HT #2 - Food is love in so many cultures around the world and thank God for that!

RJOrion said:

Lol...how the hell can someone be "sexually harrassed" at a Prince fan-site...i have never witnessed any sexual harrassment nor anything that would even remotely resemble "sexual harrassment"... whatchu talkin'bout Ian?...(in two paragraphs or less, please)

You need to get out of the 1950s. Sexual harassement online is real and is a real crime across the world. This has been commonly recognised for many years

Unwanted sexual advances as mentioned in my immediately preceding post above were the stock and trade of LoveGalore when he could not get a person agree with their opinion. Obviously, LoveGalore could never act on this but he did this none-the-less. The objective is exactly the same as face-to-face sexual harrassment. It does not require a physical act or actual intent - it just has be used to seek to intimidate the person as a power play when the harasser's facts and reason fail rational analysis. It worked on some of the people he did it to - they ceased to post and some of the newbies just disappeared.

It does not surprise me that you want to say that you did not notice this occurring when we both know that you were involved with the thread on whether Prince appropriated gay culture. LoveGalore was in his element in that thread. I do not believe that you were so blissfully unaware of his tactics.

[Edited 6/21/23 19:12pm]

RJOrion said:

Lol...how the hell can someone be "sexually harrassed" at a Prince fan-site...i have never witnessed any sexual harrassment nor anything that would even remotely resemble "sexual harrassment"... whatchu talkin'bout Ian?...(in two paragraphs or less, please)

This is the best part of your post! haha (I love all your posts, actually.)

S2DG said:

HT #1 - I really need to live more in the moment. The past happened and there's not much I can do about it and worrying about the future is pointless. Trying to control this brain is a full-time job some days...

HT #2 - Food is love in so many cultures around the world and thank God for that!

I love these. It sorta makes my roommate nuts, but theer are times I'll just sit in a space or wherever and soak it in. Other times, when it's a joyous moment or high energy, I'll just let myself go and be a kid with it, be a dork or a geek. People are going to point, laugh, talk shit or whatever anyway either to my face or behind my back. I'll also never see them again, so - I'm going for it. I wanna be in that moment so I never forget it.

I will say, it's a process. It's a muscle. Exercise it.

Food is love and I love food. People say "eat to live," but fuck you. I live to eat good food. I don't eat 24/7, but when I make food, I want it to be great for that moment. I want to savor and enjoy it for myself. And since I live with someone, I also want them to enjoy it just as much. I want glowing reviews everytime because I put all my energy into making a great dinner. I want people to know I did it for them as an expression of love. I do many things to show love, but cooking and food is one of them.

TrivialPursuit said:

RJOrion said:

Lol...how the hell can someone be "sexually harrassed" at a Prince fan-site...i have never witnessed any sexual harrassment nor anything that would even remotely resemble "sexual harrassment"... whatchu talkin'bout Ian?...(in two paragraphs or less, please)

This is the best part of your post! haha (I love all your posts, actually.)

This silliness is childish and pointless. Count the number of paragraphs in your immediate next post above. Indeed, you are the one who made the longest post by word count in this thread. This is just you pair playing games.

When explaining points of veiw, sometimes a proper response needs more than a twitter response - You just recognised this and you do so often with your posts. All people need to do to understand the exceeding simple concepts discussed here is hold on to a cogent argument until it is complete regardless of how long it is or how many big words it has.

Good luck with being a wing-man to RJOrion.

[Edited 6/21/23 19:10pm]

RJOrion said:

Ian, you take this stuff WAY too serious...lighten up Buddy...stop being so anal-retentive...

My dude, why try to bargain for a leopard to change their spots?

RJOrion said:

Ian, you take this stuff WAY too serious...lighten up Buddy...stop being so anal-retentive...

Oh I should say Ha! Ha! Ha! LoveGalore and TrivialPursuit chased away people from this site and put its existance at risk by their online sexual harassment of people. That even if this is a serious focus of police and other authorities around the world, it is just so funny that they did it.

I note that you have moved from it didn't happen to it was "just fun, nothing serious."

TrivialPursuit said:

RJOrion said:

Ian, you take this stuff WAY too serious...lighten up Buddy...stop being so anal-retentive...

My dude, why try to bargain for a leopard to change their spots?

Before the pair of you choose to continue to go on and on and on and on and on, consider what you are doing.

You are defending the indefensible: Despite all your desparate diversions to dismiss, deny and downplay what LoveGalore did - He has already been removed from the site for doing what he did here so often.

For one of you it is understandable why you are seeking to distance yourself from your involvement in supporting him in doing this - For the other you now have the other's fealty as his new LoveGalore.

Please note: Neither of you have been able to deny what you know LoveGalore did nor your part in supporting or taking enjoyment out of it. All you doing is confirming what I said.

[Edited 6/22/23 3:55am]

IanRG said:

RJOrion said:

KarenRG

No, I am Australian not one of peoples in Myanmar. But how did you know that I have people from Myanmar in my family? One of my closest friends in Myanmar is a Karen teacher living in Yangon.

You do know that one of the reasons LoveGalore was removed from this site was because he mocked people's names?

And now the third paragraph if you can keep up: A Karen in US culture is woman who complains with out reason or is in fact the person at fault. The difference between such a person and a person defending a number of people from online sexual harassment here is the complaints against him were real, made by several people, and were significant enough for LoveGalore to be removed.

RJOrion said:

IanRG said:

Oh I should say Ha! Ha! Ha! LoveGalore and TrivialPursuit chased away people from this site and put its existance at risk by their online sexual harassment of people. That even if this is a serious focus of police and other authorities around the world, it is just so funny that they did it.

I note that you have moved from it didn't happen to it was "just fun, nothing serious."

Last thing, before i leave the topic alone...if you allow yourself to feel emotionally triggered, or "sexually harrassed", or deeply offended by TOTAL STRANGERS on the internet, you have to have the thinnest of all skins, and you shouldnt even participate in online forums where banter and contentious interactions are rampant, and different people follow different rules of engagement...instead of getting people banned and crying about it in the threads, why dont YOU just stop commenting here?...what type of person repeatedly visits a place where they are allegedly subject to "sexual harrassment"...it makes no sense....at all

This is key - the ONLY reason LoveGalore used sexual harassment as an argumentive tactic was to get people to either leave or STFU so there would be no disagreement with his opinion.

This relies on people being thin skinned enough to shut up or leave and on people like you who will blame the victim to defend the perpetrator. Being a survivor of sexual abuse, whatever LoveGalore and TrivialPursut got up to here was child's play and water off a ducks back to me. I told them this several times. However, it was not just me - it was a number of men and women and several of these left after they did it. It is crucial that acts of sexual abuse and online sexual harassment are stood up to and combated - for the sake of everyone, not just the thin skinned.

If you want prince.org to be a haven where rules against online harassment don't apply because everyone who is too thin skinned to stay and post against this evil is been successfully chased away, by all means take it up with Ben and Mods about getting them to risk the very existence of site, accept the increasing personal risk to them by ignoring the problem. Coincidently, this week Elon Musk is starting to be held accountable for the increase in hate speech including sexual harassment on Twitter - if he fails to respond to the questions by the deadline, he will be fined $700,000 a day until he does.

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TrivialPursuit said:

S2DG said:

HT #1 - I really need to live more in the moment. The past happened and there's not much I can do about it and worrying about the future is pointless. Trying to control this brain is a full-time job some days...

HT #2 - Food is love in so many cultures around the world and thank God for that!

I love these. It sorta makes my roommate nuts, but theer are times I'll just sit in a space or wherever and soak it in. Other times, when it's a joyous moment or high energy, I'll just let myself go and be a kid with it, be a dork or a geek. People are going to point, laugh, talk shit or whatever anyway either to my face or behind my back. I'll also never see them again, so - I'm going for it. I wanna be in that moment so I never forget it.

I will say, it's a process. It's a muscle. Exercise it.

Food is love and I love food. People say "eat to live," but fuck you. I live to eat good food. I don't eat 24/7, but when I make food, I want it to be great for that moment. I want to savor and enjoy it for myself. And since I live with someone, I also want them to enjoy it just as much. I want glowing reviews everytime because I put all my energy into making a great dinner. I want people to know I did it for them as an expression of love. I do many things to show love, but cooking and food is one of them.

Agree 100% with you on working that muscle. I stopped giving a shit what people think a while ago and having fun being silly in public is part of it. Wife won't be happy depending on the venue but life's short and getting shorter, fuck it.


Your perspective on food is love is exactly what I'm talking about. From picking up the ingredients, prep and everything else done with intent the love can't be denied.

Food is love was fresh on my mind because my Asian mother-in-law is an amazing cook and is always bringing me her latest dish. They're not big huggers but when she hands me a dish, the love is felt and also with every bite. This has also been my experience with my Italian, Arabic and Jewish friends and family as well.

S2DG said:

Food is love was fresh on my mind because my Asian mother-in-law is an amazing cook and is always bringing me her latest dish. They're not big huggers but when she hands me a dish, the love is felt and also with every bite. This has also been my experience with my Italian, Arabic and Jewish friends and family as well.

I grew up in a very white state (Oklahoma), or at least a white man's mentality. But my two girl cousins who are like sisters to my brother and I are half Filipino. My uncle Walter came here around age 3, with his mother. So my aunt (mom's sister) learned to cook Filipino food. I loved growing up around that with different food. Fast forward later to my brother marrying a Cambodian girl, my stepbrother (on dad's marriage) marrying a Japanese girl while in Japan, and my other cousin marrying a Chinese girl. They all have kids. And we all have great food around us. (Granted, a lot of rice, which is just the truth.)

Then, I move to NY in 1997, and start dating an Italian. I'd never made red sauce in my life, or knew what pasta e ceci, or pasta e fagilio was, but now I can make it with my eyes closed. I quite enjoy the fact that I've brought Oklahoma southern cooking to upstate New York, while absorbing Italian culture up here.

Food has been a center of many of my adventures in life. We remember a meal and the company around it as much as a song, a movie, or a friendship.

ShellyMcG said:

Final Hot Take This site could be a really cool place for Prince fans old and new to hang out if not for the constant games of one-upmanship going on between its members. I don't know what this place used to be like "back in the day" but ever since I joined a year ago I've found it to be just so toxic. Everyone constantly arguing with each other. Nobody just willing to have a proper discussion. Disagreements happen in all walks of life but when they happen here it generally turns into a massive argument rather than a case of "oh, you see it that way, well I see it this way. Let's move on". I'm part of another online community that primarily focuses on video game discussions but like here, conversations regularly turn to other things like movies, music, life in general. And despite the (sometimes well deserved) bad reputation gamers have you never have any massive arguments or personal attacks over there. Not everyone gets on with each other but they're civil enough not to launch personal attacks over stupid shit like disliking someone else's favourite artist. I joined this place for a few reasons. One was to help me feel closer to my cousin who moved away and I realised I relied on her for pretty much everything so I felt pretty lost when she left. But I was also becoming a Prince fan at the time and she suggested this place because she said there's a lot of really cool people on here. And in fairness, most of you have been nice to me and welcomed me with open arms, which I really appreciate. But the constant negativity here just drains any and all enthusiasm I have for the place. And you can call me thin skinned if you like but I have more than enough negativity in my own life already without this place adding to it. It's just too much. I'm sure nobody will even read this but hopefully this place can live up to its potential of being a cool place for Prince fans to hang out and maybe help entice new fans to join rather than scare them away.

It is a long term problem. I avoided this site for this very reason right up until Housequake ceased to provide a forum. Housequake's forum was more like the one you describe - People did not always agree and not everyone liked everyone but we got on and it NEVER got personal or abusive the way this site always has. People were treated with respect because abuse and personal attacks were addressed and not just dismissed with a "man-up or GTFOH" attitude. The disagreements were limited to just expressions of opinions with justifications to support each person's views.

The Org is actually much calmer since Prince died. For most of its life the worst thing anyone could be was Prince or a Prince fam. Threads could be actually closed just because they were too famie.

You will be missed.

[Edited 6/23/23 3:14am]

IanRG said:

Hot Take: George Michael pulled heavily from Prince for Faith. It goes beyond "I Want Your Sex."

I was listening to Faith the other day, and just heard so many motifs or ideas that could be attributed to Prince influence. And really - even though that came out in 1987, GM uses a higher pitched voice on "Hard Day," giving a big Camille influence.

Faith came out at the end of 1987. SOTT came out in March. The "If I Was Your Girlfriend" single came out in May, and "Shockadelica" was the b-side. Lotta Camille on both sides. So it's possible that was an influence.

And just listening to horn arrangements, or focusing on the groove of a song - GM was really digging into Prince music, it seems. Even to have a sweeping multi-part song like the Monogamy mix of "I Want Your Sex."

Even something that initially comes across as basic like "Hand to Mouth" ends up feeling like a Prince B-side. The drum machine reminds you of "Annie Christian." Then something like "Look At Your Hands" has a bigger open feel like "I Could Never Take The Place Of Your Man" or "Girls and Boys."

All that, and I've still not touched on the lyrical content. But "Bang bang, you're dead, why can't we just make love instead...." feels 100% Prince.

[Edited 6/23/23 11:14am]

TrivialPursuit said:

TrivialPursuit said:

Hot Take: George Michael pulled heavily from Prince for Faith. It goes beyond "I Want Your Sex."

I was listening to Faith the other day, and just heard so many motifs or ideas that could be attributed to Prince influence. And really - even though that came out in 1987, GM uses a higher pitched voice on "Hard Day," giving a big Camille influence.

Faith came out at the end of 1987. SOTT came out in March. The "If I Was Your Girlfriend" single came out in May, and "Shockadelica" was the b-side. Lotta Camille on both sides. So it's possible that was an influence.

And just listening to horn arrangements, or focusing on the groove of a song - GM was really digging into Prince music, it seems. Even to have a sweeping multi-part song like the Monogamy mix of "I Want Your Sex."

Even something that initially comes across as basic like "Hand to Mouth" ends up feeling like a Prince B-side. The drum machine reminds you of "Annie Christian." Then something like "Look At Your Hands" has a bigger open feel like "I Could Never Take The Place Of Your Man" or "Girls and Boys."

All that, and I've still not touched on the lyrical content. But "Bang bang, you're dead, why can't we just make love instead...." feels 100% Prince.

[Edited 6/23/23 11:14am]

it took you 36 years to realize that?

nayroo2002 said:

it took you 36 years to realize that?

Not per se, but I never thought about it much beyond "I Want Your Sex," because it was talked about to death shortly after. For some reason, I feel like I've been more cognizant of those things lately. I was listening to a Sarah McLaughlin album last night and there were a couple of songs I could hear late-90s Prince covering.

TrivialPursuit said:

Hot Take: George Michael pulled heavily from Prince for Faith. It goes beyond "I Want Your Sex."

I was listening to Faith the other day, and just heard so many motifs or ideas that could be attributed to Prince influence. And really - even though that came out in 1987, GM uses a higher pitched voice on "Hard Day," giving a big Camille influence.

Faith came out at the end of 1987. SOTT came out in March. The "If I Was Your Girlfriend" single came out in May, and "Shockadelica" was the b-side. Lotta Camille on both sides. So it's possible that was an influence.

And just listening to horn arrangements, or focusing on the groove of a song - GM was really digging into Prince music, it seems. Even to have a sweeping multi-part song like the Monogamy mix of "I Want Your Sex."

Even something that initially comes across as basic like "Hand to Mouth" ends up feeling like a Prince B-side. The drum machine reminds you of "Annie Christian." Then something like "Look At Your Hands" has a bigger open feel like "I Could Never Take The Place Of Your Man" or "Girls and Boys."

All that, and I've still not touched on the lyrical content. But "Bang bang, you're dead, why can't we just make love instead...." feels 100% Prince.

[Edited 6/23/23 11:14am]

Yes, absolutely. I think it was not even just subconciously but it was deliberate.

The split from the largely bubblegum pop of Wham! started within Wham! where Careless Whispers, a Wham! song was listed in the UK as Wham! featuring GM and the US as a GM song. After one more Wham! song under his name, GM's break free release was a duet with Aretha.

Whilst he wanted GM to be more soul/R&D than Wham!, he wanted it with a Princely edge to match his identity.

PJMcGee said:

And then I've heard that Alphabet St. was inspired by Faith. Don't know if true.

Feels like a stretch. I always considered "Alphabet St." a cousin to "When Doves Cry."

'The Walking Dead: Dead City' is actually pretty good!

nayroo2002 said:

'The Walking Dead: Dead City' is actually pretty good!

When Rick left TWD, I did, too. I didn't even go back for the finale episodes. I started FTWD but I only made it one season. Anything else, I'm just sorta over it.

I have super hero and post-apocalyptic fatigue.