rdhull said:

Yeah. They are buying GTA and rap music for 7 year olds

You must live in Leave It To Beaver land. In certain areas in the city where I live there's kids under 10 in street gangs or selling drugs or their parents belong to gangs. I bet you can find videos of kids on Youtube doing rap songs. So you're saying they just happen to know the words to songs they don't have access to. They don't even have to buy the CDs, the songs are on the radio and anybody can see the videos on Youtube where they're not bleeped out like the radio versions.

lol @ people rationalizing taking a 7 year old to Joker

MickyDolenz said:

rdhull said:

I’m guessing most of those people who took a six or seven-year-old thought it was gonna be a regular comic book movie

It's R rated though and many parents have taken children to R movies for decades now. I haven't seen Joker but it can't be any more violent than the video games kids play like Grand Theft Auto & Mortal Kombat. In GTA you run over people and pick up prostitutes. Parents or other adults are likely the ones buying the game discs, since they're kinda costly. With games the player is actively participating in them unlike a movie. Not everybody censors what their kids watch or listen to. I hear kids singing lyrics from rap hits, some doing the cursing.

Joker is done in a more convincing way and has all the psychological underpinnings that take the violence in it to another level where the death feels more dimensional and distrubing when it hits some of the more major characters. I think it's a complete mistake to take a kid to see it.

What is the point of that?

If violence is stylized like what slasher movies / Evil Dead, etc where it is made into an abstract sort of fun gore fest, that's one thing. But Joker makes it a point to be realistic in the same way the violence in an old movie like Taxi Driver is realistically weaved.


But hey, a society is directly reaping what happens in it by sowing it's own paths and practices. Time is telling us, right? Times is telling us.


It's alway been mystifying overseas (in much of Europe) that in America, violence in entertainment is okay, but kids are shielded from normal nudity and sex as if it were something horrible.

rdhull said:

lol @ people rationalizing taking a 7 year old to Joker

I don't care what someone takes their kids to see at the multiplex. You think Joker made almost $600 million worldwide already from adults only? The really huge box office numbers like that generally happens when a lot of families go to a movie. Anyway I was replying to what you said about children listening to rap, which many do since hip hop is the majority of what is played on Top 40 radio today. The hit songs by singers and bands often have a guest rapper on them too. Even some of the curent mainstream popular country music has trap beats. Old Town Road by Lil Nas X & Billy Ray Cyrus was recently #1 for 19 weeks. So it's pretty hard to avoid hip hop.

ufoclub said:

But hey, a society is directly reaping what happens in it by sowing it's own paths and practices. Time is telling us, right? Times is telling us.

Well what's your excuse for peoples behavior over 200 years ago when there was no movies, comic books, video games, or recorded music of any kind? I guess people only became violent when movie theaters were invented.

lol @ people rationalizing taking a 7 year old to Joker

MickyDolenz said:

ufoclub said:

But hey, a society is directly reaping what happens in it by sowing it's own paths and practices. Time is telling us, right? Times is telling us.

Well what's your excuse for peoples behavior over 200 years ago when there was no movies, comic books, video games, or recorded music of any kind? I guess people only became violent when movie theaters were invented.

lol

MickyDolenz said:

ufoclub said:

But hey, a society is directly reaping what happens in it by sowing it's own paths and practices. Time is telling us, right? Times is telling us.

Well what's your excuse for peoples behavior over 200 years ago when there was no movies, comic books, video games, or recorded music of any kind? I guess people only became violent when movie theaters were invented.

Books? Stage plays?

Just playing

I won;t be taking my 6 year old to Joker simply becuase she's not yet interested in those kind of movies, I did show her Terminator 1 and 2 tho recently and she's not traumatized, actually she had fun with those movies. I can't speak for every European but as far as I know most Dutch kids dont live some sheltered lives or are taught how to react to certain movies and just react as they feel.
As for nudity in movies, I'm Dutch and 46 years old and 40 years ago any Dutch movie in the 70's and 80's had a lot of nudity, don;t see any problem with that.

JorisE73 said:

rdhull said:

MickyDolenz said:

ufoclub said:

But hey, a society is directly reaping what happens in it by sowing it's own paths and practices. Time is telling us, right? Times is telling us.

Well what's your excuse for peoples behavior over 200 years ago when there was no movies, comic books, video games, or recorded music of any kind? I guess people only became violent when movie theaters were invented.

Same reason 200 years ago, people were violent because they were raised to be inclined to behave that way, with the culture and the parents.

There's your explanation.

EmmaMcG said:

The movie is nowhere near as violent as its been made out to be.

The more you talk, the more your make the case for having poor judgment (and insight possibly).

I watched tons of horror and action movies as a kid and don´t think that they had a negative influence on me. I think I was eight or nine when I watched The Exorcist with my parents and after that I watched The Omen, Rosemary´s Baby and Dawn of the Dead. And I loved Mad Max II (the uncut version) at the age of 10....watched it in a movie theater.

I understand why some people think those kind of movies are not appropriate for a child , I really do, but I think it always depends on the individual child in question and of course the parents.

I think it´s rude to question her qualities as a mother just because she allowed her daughter to watch the Joker movie. You don´t know her or her daughter.

....Aaaaaanywho, those of you who have not seen it yet should definitely check it out. With or without children, YMMV.

KoolEaze said:

LoveGalore said:

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LoveGalore said:

EmmaMcG said:

I really liked the movie and I think Juaquin Phoenix is fantastic in it. But I think it's too early to be comparing him to previous jokers because he doesn't really become The Joker until near the end. I'd love to see him reprise the role in a future Batman movie to see how his version of a fully realised Joker would be.

Fair point, I think I'm just excited over the prospects. That being said, I am kinda dreading Pattinson as Batman so I am not sure how that will go down. I don't think they've yet confirmed there will be crossover here or even if there is a sequel in the works (but it's a smash hit so why not), but it'd be weird if they cast another Batman when they have a new one already. Yuck

According to the director this Joker will NOT be part of any future Batman movies and is intended as a stand-alone movie. A sequel...maybe. But not with the Rober Pattinson Batman. At least that´s what Philips said. But I think if the money is too tempting they might change their plans.

KoolEaze said:

KoolEaze said:

I watched tons of horror and action movies as a kid and don´t think that they had a negative influence on me. I think I was eight or nine when I watched The Exorcist with my parents and after that I watched The Omen, Rosemary´s Baby and Dawn of the Dead. And I loved Mad Max II (the uncut version) at the age of 10....watched it in a movie theater.

I understand why some people think those kind of movies are not appropriate for a child , I really do, but I think it always depends on the individual child in question and of course the parents.

I think it´s rude to question her qualities as a mother just because she allowed her daughter to watch the Joker movie. You don´t know her or her daughter.

I watched tons of horror through elementary school, even reading the novel The Exorcist in middle school (6th Grade), and I can honestly track how it effected me at the time... and I can now recognize some negative impact there within me, but nothing that caused any criminal behviour. But certainly it helped me reach an edge in my imagination, that I would not have reached otherwise. That goes for the way in which I would imagine revenge, righting grade school wrongs to me. I am now embarressed recalling the friends and family I distanced away from me with my horror inclinations. I got quite popular for my horror drawings in middle school, but also, I'm sure a lot of teachers might have been concerned behind my back. I mean, I thought of possessed Reagan in The Exorcist as a sort of superhero. I remember one guy in high school telling me he was going to kill me if he ever saw me outside of shcool because I seemed "satanic". I just laughed at him. In ways it was like walking an edge of performance.

I can see how a certain more "triggered" mindset in a child could easily be influenced by a well made horror/violent crime movie that rides on psychological truth and casts a passionate spell on viewers. It's not unlike a child witnessing a crime, or growing up in a warzone. Some can be affected as if there is scabbed trauma wound in the mind that they can conquer by "owning" it. By weilding it.

LoveGalore said:

EmmaMcG said:

LoveGalore said:

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LoveGalore said:

She certainly has been at times, but ever since the New 52 event in 2011, DC has been writing her as an antihero type character. She's even one of the few LGBT characters in the DC comics universe now (with her girlfriend Poison Ivy).

I only really know her from the animated series and the Arkham games. Never read any of the comics. I prefer to think of her as a villain though. There's too many bad guys being turned into "anti-heroes" now.

Yep, agreed. I think her story was always quite intriguing. That's the problem with comics. They run so long that characters get run through the absolute meat grinder of possible iterations.