well. now i get it. morgan's nuts

Last night's episode was the most boringest episode in the history of The Walking Dead. You mean to tell me that they couldn't fit this in during flashbacks in the regular episodes? Or had this on AMC online for us to watch as a webinar? I nearly fell asleep on it multiple times. Only to find at the end that he wants to so call "transform" the wolf guy like how he was transformed by Eastman? Really? Morgan is still nuts

Now it looks like next week's episode won't provide us any info about Glenn. I didn't even tune into all of The Talking Dead either.

I said it after the episode "Clear" and I'll say it again after this episode - Lennie James is a phenomenal actor.

I really enjoyed this episode, two very strong performances with excellent writing - well worth 90 minutes of screen time, imo.

It doesn't bother me that I don't fully know Glenn's fate yet - we will eventually.

morningsong said:

Hm, well, two questions answered. Can't say it was worth 90 minutes though.

Was one of those questions "how did Morgan learn all those moves with the stick"?

kpowers said:

I don't want Morgan on the show if all he does is gives us that disapproval look if you have to kill a human. Really that guy Cater gets bit on the face (you get bit, you die, no exception) then Rick is force to kill him because he's making to much noise from the pain. Then Morgan is right there to give his "disapproval" look.

Funny you mention this. I agree with you. Morgan is going to get a lot of folks killed if he sticks to this so called philosophy.

The thing that doesn't make sense to me is that he wasn't even with the guy, Eastman, that long...then all of a sudden after screaming "KILL ME" the whole time, Morgan suddenly has a change of heart after Eastman gets bitten by one of the Walkers (which by the way was totally MORGAN'S FAULT!!!)?

missfee said:

I'm not understanding how this episode is considered "boring". I rather enjoy these self contained episodes - like, "Clear" and to a bit of a lesser extent "Consumed" - with Daryl and Carol or "The Grove".

Yes, the whole "he killed my family so I had my revenge" story line is pretty played out but it had great dialogue and almost had a play like feel to it.

It also kinda reminded me a bit of LOST in a way, in a good way.

missfee said:

Last night's episode was the most boringest episode in the history of The Walking Dead. You mean to tell me that they couldn't fit this in during flashbacks in the regular episodes? Or had this on AMC online for us to watch as a webinar? I nearly fell asleep on it multiple times. Only to find at the end that he wants to so call "transform" the wolf guy like how he was transformed by Eastman? Really? Morgan is still nuts

Now it looks like next week's episode won't provide us any info about Glenn. I didn't even tune into all of The Talking Dead either.

I thought it was pretty good, I didn't think it was boring at tall.
I like when we get a different view of life in Georgia with how others are surviving.

Morgans 'give you a chance' stance will be so frustrating to watch.

It is clear there are people who will kill you no matter what like that Wolf told him...

What he needs to be doing is teaching all those people how to fight with a staff

[Edited 11/2/15 8:09am]

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2 gripes I have with this one, and it is also issues throught the Walking Dead.

1.) There is no way that Goat Tabitha would have let a walker catch and kill it. Neither the Dog from Fear the Walking Dead, nor the Horse. Animals smell that 'shit' would get so far away from them that the Walkers would never been close enough to even have a chance. The goat had nothing around its neck restraining it.

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1a.) how is it that these Walking Dead beings that are falling part, how is it with their teeth and hands they can just rip skin and flesh open like it's paper?

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2.) How did this guy allow himself to get bitten/scratched so easily through a shirt? There is no way possible someone that skilled would turn his back jumping between the walker and Morgan and allow it to get him. He would take the walker out first OR nock Morgan out of the way and take down the walker.

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2a.) and when and how does it become possible for these walkers with deteriorating body parts -nails teeth, be able like a bear or bull or panther in one swipe be able to take a piece out of someone so easily. Most full health humans can't barely bite an apple much less rip into meat with our teeth and we definely can't rip open flesh with our hands/nails.

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I try not to think to hard about these things but they are not even close to be real.

JustErin said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

missfee said:

Last night's episode was the most boringest episode in the history of The Walking Dead. You mean to tell me that they couldn't fit this in during flashbacks in the regular episodes? Or had this on AMC online for us to watch as a webinar? I nearly fell asleep on it multiple times. Only to find at the end that he wants to so call "transform" the wolf guy like how he was transformed by Eastman? Really? Morgan is still nuts

Now it looks like next week's episode won't provide us any info about Glenn. I didn't even tune into all of The Talking Dead either.

I thought it was pretty good, I didn't think it was boring at tall.
I like when we get a different view of life in Georgia with how others are surviving.

Morgans 'give you a chance' stance will be so frustrating to watch.

It is clear there are people who will kill you no matter what like that Wolf told him...

What he needs to be doing is teaching all those people how to fight with a staff

[Edited 11/2/15 8:09am]

Oh I don't mind when the show provides different point of views from specific characters, it's the way in which its done. IMO, this episode just could have been done differently. There was nothing about it that was interesting to me. We learned about a character that otherwise we wouldn't have never seen or knew about but other than that, nothing. It was already obvious that this encounter somehow changed Morgan, but I don't think it was necessary to waste 90 minutes on it. Just my take.

As far as Morgan teaching others how to fight with the staff, I don't know, those Alexandrians', aside from Heath, act like they are teachable. That's what Rick, Glenn and Michonne have tried to do time after time, but it seems like they either don't see the point in it, don't want to listen or too afraid to learn how to defend themselves. It'll be interesting to see how all of this is going to pan out.

missfee said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I thought it was pretty good, I didn't think it was boring at tall.
I like when we get a different view of life in Georgia with how others are surviving.

Morgans 'give you a chance' stance will be so frustrating to watch.

It is clear there are people who will kill you no matter what like that Wolf told him...

What he needs to be doing is teaching all those people how to fight with a staff

[Edited 11/2/15 8:09am]

Oh I don't mind when the show provides different point of views from specific characters, it's the way in which its done. IMO, this episode just could have been done differently. There was nothing about it that was interesting to me. We learned about a character that otherwise we wouldn't have never seen or knew about but other than that, nothing. It was already obvious that this encounter somehow changed Morgan, but I don't think it was necessary to waste 90 minutes on it. Just my take.

As far as Morgan teaching others how to fight with the staff, I don't know, those Alexandrians', aside from Heath, act like they are teachable. That's what Rick, Glenn and Michonne have tried to do time after time, but it seems like they either don't see the point in it, don't want to listen or too afraid to learn how to defend themselves. It'll be interesting to see how all of this is going to pan out.

I think maybe after the Wolf attack they will be ready and open. And since they have so much ammunition it's time everyone learns to use a gun and begin carrying.

They were not ready at all for what happened.

morningsong said:

JustErin said:

I'm not understanding how this episode is considered "boring". I rather enjoy these self contained episodes - like, "Clear" and to a bit of a lesser extent "Consumed" - with Daryl and Carol or "The Grove".

Yes, the whole "he killed my family so I had my revenge" story line is pretty played out but it had great dialogue and almost had a play like feel to it.

It also kinda reminded me a bit of LOST in a way, in a good way.

It's not like this is the only episode people have complained is boring. In fact most long dialogue episodes people generally complain are boring. Now add more time to that, on people who are not part of the core group? Predictable.. But the writers wanted to get in what they wanted to get in so I'm good and loyal so I can roll with it.

Well, I know that.

After the shit writing and acting on Fear the Walking Dead, it was so great to see this episode. This is the type of thing we were all complaining that FTWD was seriously lacking. Real character development, real emotion, great acting. We have seen glimpses of PTSD in several characters but this episode explored it on a much deeper level - and how the hell can you have a show about the demise of humanity and not really get into that? I wanted to know how Morgan got to where/how he is and to see it played out in such a well written, not rushed way was a real treat.

But any time a viewer is required to just listen, you always get people who tune out. It's a shame that so many fail to see/recognize amazing performances and writing because of all the "talking" and the lack of gut spilling and chase scenes. Unlike, "The Grove" we didn't get the kill-the-little-girl moment to satisfy our thirst for a 'gasp' moment in a slower more character driven episode. I personally don't need or even care to have that every single time.

Nicholas' character development was very good as well, but I guess it wasn't as annoying or obvious to people because it played out during all the action.

Again, I really like Glenn and would love him to live, but I'm pretty sure that even if he survived that whole scenario, he will be killed off just as quickly as he comes back.

JustErin said:

I was rooting for Tabitha

JustErin said:

morningsong said:

JustErin said: It's not like this is the only episode people have complained is boring. In fact most long dialogue episodes people generally complain are boring. Now add more time to that, on people who are not part of the core group? Predictable.. But the writers wanted to get in what they wanted to get in so I'm good and loyal so I can roll with it.

Well, I know that.

After the shit writing and acting on Fear the Walking Dead, it was so great to see this episode. This is the type of thing we were all complaining that FTWD was seriously lacking. Real character development, real emotion, great acting. We have seen glimpses of PTSD in several characters but this episode explored it on a much deeper level - and how the hell can you have a show about the demise of humanity and not really get into that? I wanted to know how Morgan got to where/how he is and to see it played out in such a well written, not rushed way was a real treat.

But any time a viewer is required to just listen, you always get people who tune out. It's a shame that so many fail to see/recognize amazing performances and writing because of all the "talking" and the lack of gut spilling and chase scenes. Unlike, "The Grove" we didn't get the kill-the-little-girl moment to satisfy our thirst for a 'gasp' moment in a slower more character driven episode. I personally don't need or even care to have that every single time.

Nicholas' character development was very good as well, but I guess it wasn't as annoying or obvious to people because it played out during all the action.

Again, I really like Glenn and would love him to live, but I'm pretty sure that even if he survived that whole scenario, he will be killed off just as quickly as he comes back.

The actor who played Nicholas was excellent. To be able to capture all of those emotions, I'm sure, isn't an easy task, but he perfected it well.

missfee said:

JustErin said:

Well, I know that.

After the shit writing and acting on Fear the Walking Dead, it was so great to see this episode. This is the type of thing we were all complaining that FTWD was seriously lacking. Real character development, real emotion, great acting. We have seen glimpses of PTSD in several characters but this episode explored it on a much deeper level - and how the hell can you have a show about the demise of humanity and not really get into that? I wanted to know how Morgan got to where/how he is and to see it played out in such a well written, not rushed way was a real treat.

But any time a viewer is required to just listen, you always get people who tune out. It's a shame that so many fail to see/recognize amazing performances and writing because of all the "talking" and the lack of gut spilling and chase scenes. Unlike, "The Grove" we didn't get the kill-the-little-girl moment to satisfy our thirst for a 'gasp' moment in a slower more character driven episode. I personally don't need or even care to have that every single time.

Nicholas' character development was very good as well, but I guess it wasn't as annoying or obvious to people because it played out during all the action.

Again, I really like Glenn and would love him to live, but I'm pretty sure that even if he survived that whole scenario, he will be killed off just as quickly as he comes back.

The actor who played Nicholas was excellent. To be able to capture all of those emotions, I'm sure, isn't an easy task, but he perfected it well.

Indeed.

kpowers said:

I was rooting for Tabitha

No WAY Tabitha would have let those walkers get close enough to kill her

kpowers said:

morningsong said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

Eureka!

morningsong said:

The Walking Dead: Steven Yeun’s Name Missing From Opening Credits

That just tells me Glenn IS ALIVE. They know fans will pick up on that, and yeah he was not in that episode so they can get away with that. They will drag out what happened to Glenn for awhile. IMO the 3 characters they can not kill off are Rick, Daryl and Glenn. However I do believe one or more will be killed off in the last episode of the Walking Dead.

OldFriends4Sale said:

kpowers said:

I was rooting for Tabitha

No WAY Tabitha would have let those walkers get close enough to kill her

what you have against goats??

JustErin said:

I said it after the episode "Clear" and I'll say it again after this episode - Lennie James is a phenomenal actor.

I really enjoyed this episode, two very strong performances with excellent writing - well worth 90 minutes of screen time, imo.

It doesn't bother me that I don't fully know Glenn's fate yet - we will eventually.

I liked him on Jericho

missfee said:

Last night's episode was the most boringest episode in the history of The Walking Dead. You mean to tell me that they couldn't fit this in during flashbacks in the regular episodes? Or had this on AMC online for us to watch as a webinar? I nearly fell asleep on it multiple times. Only to find at the end that he wants to so call "transform" the wolf guy like how he was transformed by Eastman? Really? Morgan is still nuts

Now it looks like next week's episode won't provide us any info about Glenn. I didn't even tune into all of The Talking Dead either.

I kinda agree with you. I would have like to know exactly what happened to Morgans son. I really liked Eastman and Tabitha, though I knew they would die because it's the Walking Dead and some one needs to die.

[Edited 11/3/15 11:59am]