Shyra said:

vainandy said:

And we ain't a'gonna git it back until that dadgum pinko commie muzzlum Buhrock HUSANE Obomer is outta thar!

You's a crazy chile!

But to add my two cents, I'm like a lot of people here who posted that they were surprised it took her this long to do it. I remember seeing an interview she did years ago where it was quite obvious that she loved Europe and would finally make her home there.

Back in the 40s and 50s, a lot of black American musicians/artists, especially jazz musicians, went to Europe to make more money than they could performing here. Plus they were given much love and respect there.

I love my country, but I don't fault Tina one bit and am glad she has found peace and happiness. Hell, it I had the money, I would visit extensively my damn self.

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Girl, it has not changed one bit. If you ever need a vacation tour guide

I definitely enjoy the perks of being a black American in Europe with people genuinely interested in my heritage and culture- & how it shapes me and influences my spin on the world and sense of creativity.

There is definitely a respect for the culture we as blacks formed for ourselves in the 500 years or so that we've built ourselves from the ground up in America, and how we contributed to and influenced pop culture and the arts world at large. As a whole, people are much more open or even kinder to me than when I even visit home..where I found just 5 years ago I cannot even shop for champagne for brunch in a small liquor store without being followed by managment, or if I present my ID for a transaction of any kind people look at me incredulously for using a passport ...um, because I live in a city with an incredible subway system and I don't drive, nor do I any longer need a state ID as an expatriate to Europe.

The irony is that as rudely as I can be treated when I come home, being thought less of or lesser than, it makes "some" people very uncomfortable to see folks of color go off into strange foreign lands and , um, be happy. I've met people on planes and just in casual conversations at airports who get downright nasty upon learning that I am an expatriate returning home to visit family, of my own choosing, of my own will, and for God's sake, on my own dime. It's so childish.

missfee said:

Why was this thread moved to General Discussion but the Jim Nabors thread remains in the Music: Non-Prince forum? Backwards.

I was thinking the same thing. Tina is known for music, selling millions of records and selling out arenas and stadiums worldwide. Jim Nabors is primarily known for being Gomer Pyle.

Ottensen said:

Shyra said:

You's a crazy chile!

But to add my two cents, I'm like a lot of people here who posted that they were surprised it took her this long to do it. I remember seeing an interview she did years ago where it was quite obvious that she loved Europe and would finally make her home there.

Back in the 40s and 50s, a lot of black American musicians/artists, especially jazz musicians, went to Europe to make more money than they could performing here. Plus they were given much love and respect there.

I love my country, but I don't fault Tina one bit and am glad she has found peace and happiness. Hell, it I had the money, I would visit extensively my damn self.

[Edited 1/28/13 9:07am]

[Edited 1/28/13 9:14am]

Girl, it has not changed one bit. If you ever need a vacation tour guide

I definitely enjoy the perks of being a black American in Europe with people genuinely interested in my heritage and culture- & how it shapes me and influences my spin on the world and sense of creativity.

There is definitely a respect for the culture we as blacks formed for ourselves in the 500 years or so that we've built ourselves from the ground up in America, and how we contributed to and influenced pop culture and the arts world at large. As a whole, people are much more open or even kinder to me than when I even visit home..where I found just 5 years ago I cannot even shop for champagne for brunch in a small liquor store without being followed by managment, or if I present my ID for a transaction of any kind people look at me incredulously for using a passport ...um, because I live in a city with an incredible subway system and I don't drive, nor do I any longer need a state ID as an expatriate to Europe.

The irony is that as rudely as I can be treated when I come home, being thought less of or lesser than, it makes "some" people very uncomfortable to see folks of color go off into strange foreign lands and , um, be happy. I've met people on planes and just in casual conversations at airports who get downright nasty upon learning that I am an expatriate returning home to visit family, of my own choosing, of my own will, and for God's sake, on my own dime. It's so childish.

Marsha Hunt (Mick Jagger's first baby mama and a successful model and novelist and occasional rock musician) has to deal with the same American rudeness she gets because of her long time allegiance to Europe. Thing is with Tina, she always felt loved in Europe. It makes sense why some blacks who move to Europe don't wanna leave because they get a lot more respect than they would ever get here. Americans seem to have a hard time, especially black Americans, when their fellow "black" moves to Europe and they return and get treated like shit. I've seen some folks say some nasty shit about Tina because of that primarily. "Oh she think she good for us since she left Ike." Uh...well she ain't even thinking of folks like that. It's like they want us to be miserable if we ever think of permanently staying in a "strange foreign land".

Timmy84 said:

Ottensen said:

Girl, it has not changed one bit. If you ever need a vacation tour guide

I definitely enjoy the perks of being a black American in Europe with people genuinely interested in my heritage and culture- & how it shapes me and influences my spin on the world and sense of creativity.

There is definitely a respect for the culture we as blacks formed for ourselves in the 500 years or so that we've built ourselves from the ground up in America, and how we contributed to and influenced pop culture and the arts world at large. As a whole, people are much more open or even kinder to me than when I even visit home..where I found just 5 years ago I cannot even shop for champagne for brunch in a small liquor store without being followed by managment, or if I present my ID for a transaction of any kind people look at me incredulously for using a passport ...um, because I live in a city with an incredible subway system and I don't drive, nor do I any longer need a state ID as an expatriate to Europe.

The irony is that as rudely as I can be treated when I come home, being thought less of or lesser than, it makes "some" people very uncomfortable to see folks of color go off into strange foreign lands and , um, be happy. I've met people on planes and just in casual conversations at airports who get downright nasty upon learning that I am an expatriate returning home to visit family, of my own choosing, of my own will, and for God's sake, on my own dime. It's so childish.

Marsha Hunt (Mick Jagger's first baby mama and a successful model and novelist and occasional rock musician) has to deal with the same American rudeness she gets because of her long time allegiance to Europe. Thing is with Tina, she always felt loved in Europe. It makes sense why some blacks who move to Europe don't wanna leave because they get a lot more respect than they would ever get here. Americans seem to have a hard time, especially black Americans, when their fellow "black" moves to Europe and they return and get treated like shit. I've seen some folks say some nasty shit about Tina because of that primarily. "Oh she think she good for us since she left Ike." Uh...well she ain't even thinking of folks like that. It's like they want us to be miserable if we ever think of permanently staying in a "strange foreign land".

Why can some people stand others that are happy. It's wonderful she's happy and yes from what I heard Europe reminds me of a storybook

SimpleSoul said:

Timmy84 said:

Marsha Hunt (Mick Jagger's first baby mama and a successful model and novelist and occasional rock musician) has to deal with the same American rudeness she gets because of her long time allegiance to Europe. Thing is with Tina, she always felt loved in Europe. It makes sense why some blacks who move to Europe don't wanna leave because they get a lot more respect than they would ever get here. Americans seem to have a hard time, especially black Americans, when their fellow "black" moves to Europe and they return and get treated like shit. I've seen some folks say some nasty shit about Tina because of that primarily. "Oh she think she good for us since she left Ike." Uh...well she ain't even thinking of folks like that. It's like they want us to be miserable if we ever think of permanently staying in a "strange foreign land".

Why can some people stand others that are happy. It's wonderful she's happy and yes from what I heard Europe reminds me of a storybook

I don't know why others can't stand it. Must be their own vanity that someone who has as much money as Tina can do it and they can't. But yeah Tina did say the same thing about Europe when she and Ike first visited European countries in 1966.

Timmy84 said:

Ottensen said:

Girl, it has not changed one bit. If you ever need a vacation tour guide

I definitely enjoy the perks of being a black American in Europe with people genuinely interested in my heritage and culture- & how it shapes me and influences my spin on the world and sense of creativity.

There is definitely a respect for the culture we as blacks formed for ourselves in the 500 years or so that we've built ourselves from the ground up in America, and how we contributed to and influenced pop culture and the arts world at large. As a whole, people are much more open or even kinder to me than when I even visit home..where I found just 5 years ago I cannot even shop for champagne for brunch in a small liquor store without being followed by managment, or if I present my ID for a transaction of any kind people look at me incredulously for using a passport ...um, because I live in a city with an incredible subway system and I don't drive, nor do I any longer need a state ID as an expatriate to Europe.

The irony is that as rudely as I can be treated when I come home, being thought less of or lesser than, it makes "some" people very uncomfortable to see folks of color go off into strange foreign lands and , um, be happy. I've met people on planes and just in casual conversations at airports who get downright nasty upon learning that I am an expatriate returning home to visit family, of my own choosing, of my own will, and for God's sake, on my own dime. It's so childish.

Marsha Hunt (Mick Jagger's first baby mama and a successful model and novelist and occasional rock musician) has to deal with the same American rudeness she gets because of her long time allegiance to Europe. Thing is with Tina, she always felt loved in Europe. It makes sense why some blacks who move to Europe don't wanna leave because they get a lot more respect than they would ever get here. Americans seem to have a hard time, especially black Americans, when their fellow "black" moves to Europe and they return and get treated like shit. I've seen some folks say some nasty shit about Tina because of that primarily. "Oh she think she good for us since she left Ike." Uh...well she ain't even thinking of folks like that. It's like they want us to be miserable if we ever think of permanently staying in a "strange foreign land".

See. And it makes it doubly sad coming from "home folk." It brings back that old memory of the crab bushel. There's always one crab trying to pull the escaping crabs back into the bushel.... like that cynical mindset, "Why should you be happy?"

Shyra said:

Timmy84 said:

Marsha Hunt (Mick Jagger's first baby mama and a successful model and novelist and occasional rock musician) has to deal with the same American rudeness she gets because of her long time allegiance to Europe. Thing is with Tina, she always felt loved in Europe. It makes sense why some blacks who move to Europe don't wanna leave because they get a lot more respect than they would ever get here. Americans seem to have a hard time, especially black Americans, when their fellow "black" moves to Europe and they return and get treated like shit. I've seen some folks say some nasty shit about Tina because of that primarily. "Oh she think she good for us since she left Ike." Uh...well she ain't even thinking of folks like that. It's like they want us to be miserable if we ever think of permanently staying in a "strange foreign land".

See. And it makes it doubly sad coming from "home folk." It brings back that old memory of the crab bushel. There's always one crab trying to pull the escaping crabs back into the bushel.... like that cynical mindset, "Why should you be happy?"

Basically. They always claim "but we were there to put you where you at". And it's like "no you didn't, Europe put her where she's at." I used to think the same as they did but I realized that she got to where she got to because Europe loves her. Europe supported her tours and albums better than Americans did. I&T had major success in Europe before they had major success in the U.S., what does that tell you? I&T never had a number-one R&B hit either lol

Ottensen said:

Shyra said:

You's a crazy chile!

But to add my two cents, I'm like a lot of people here who posted that they were surprised it took her this long to do it. I remember seeing an interview she did years ago where it was quite obvious that she loved Europe and would finally make her home there.

Back in the 40s and 50s, a lot of black American musicians/artists, especially jazz musicians, went to Europe to make more money than they could performing here. Plus they were given much love and respect there.

I love my country, but I don't fault Tina one bit and am glad she has found peace and happiness. Hell, it I had the money, I would visit extensively my damn self.

[Edited 1/28/13 9:07am]

[Edited 1/28/13 9:14am]

Girl, it has not changed one bit. If you ever need a vacation tour guide

I definitely enjoy the perks of being a black American in Europe with people genuinely interested in my heritage and culture- & how it shapes me and influences my spin on the world and sense of creativity.

There is definitely a respect for the culture we as blacks formed for ourselves in the 500 years or so that we've built ourselves from the ground up in America, and how we contributed to and influenced pop culture and the arts world at large. As a whole, people are much more open or even kinder to me than when I even visit home..where I found just 5 years ago I cannot even shop for champagne for brunch in a small liquor store without being followed by managment, or if I present my ID for a transaction of any kind people look at me incredulously for using a passport ...um, because I live in a city with an incredible subway system and I don't drive, nor do I any longer need a state ID as an expatriate to Europe.

The irony is that as rudely as I can be treated when I come home, being thought less of or lesser than, it makes "some" people very uncomfortable to see folks of color go off into strange foreign lands and , um, be happy. I've met people on planes and just in casual conversations at airports who get downright nasty upon learning that I am an expatriate returning home to visit family, of my own choosing, of my own will, and for God's sake, on my own dime. It's so childish.

Ottie, I Googled your city, and it is absolutely story-friggin-book beautiful! Even the rental rooms/flats look great, so homey and comfortable. The prices are reasonable, and the streets looks so clean and fresh. If ever I scrape enough money together to afford foreign travel, I will certainly look you up, girl!