ISF said:

Why not dual citizenship? Is that not allowed under Swiss or US law?

Switzerland is a nice place for a person of her age, I can see why. Low taxes, too

For anybody under 50 Switzlerand is a boooooring place. In my opinion of course!

Yeah, you really need a higher crime rate to add excitement to your life.

novabrkr said:

ISF said:

Why not dual citizenship? Is that not allowed under Swiss or US law?

Switzerland is a nice place for a person of her age, I can see why. Low taxes, too

For anybody under 50 Switzlerand is a boooooring place. In my opinion of course!

Yeah, you really need a higher crime rate to add excitement to your life.

Timmy84 said:

novabrkr said:

Yeah, you really need a higher crime rate to add excitement to your life.

If I had her age, financial freedom, and status, I'd move my ass there too

Here's wishing Miss Tina very happy sunset years filled with Raclette and Fondue galore

novabrkr said:

ISF said:

Why not dual citizenship? Is that not allowed under Swiss or US law?

Switzerland is a nice place for a person of her age, I can see why. Low taxes, too

For anybody under 50 Switzlerand is a boooooring place. In my opinion of course!

Yeah, you really need a higher crime rate to add excitement to your life.

It has quite high suicide rates. OF COURSE I am not saying that everyone who goes there is going to be so depressed by it that they will kill themselves, people have all sorts of problems, but it really is a boring place in my opinion.

You forget Americans here are very fickle and are not too good with information. I knew since Tina was in her 40s that she preferred Europe over the States. In fact, check her interviews from 1985 until now, they're all like "I love Europe, I feel like home here. I don't ever wanna go back to America". The last quote she said defiantly so in her "60 Minutes" interview from 2000 prior to going on the road for her last stadium tour (her 50th anniversary concert took place in arenas only if I'm not mistaken, but I need to check).

I'm surprised to hear that she actually kept her U.S. citizenship this long when she's spent decades in Europe anyway. That she would make her permanent home over there isn't that surprising from a business perspective. I remember her saying in interviews that Europeans are more loyal to an artist than Americans. So when or if she ever to decide to release new music, it'll have a more receptive audience over there than here in the States.

UnderMySun said:

You forget Americans here are very fickle and are not too good with information. I knew since Tina was in her 40s that she preferred Europe over the States. In fact, check her interviews from 1985 until now, they're all like "I love Europe, I feel like home here. I don't ever wanna go back to America". The last quote she said defiantly so in her "60 Minutes" interview from 2000 prior to going on the road for her last stadium tour (her 50th anniversary concert took place in arenas only if I'm not mistaken, but I need to check).

I'm surprised to hear that she actually kept her U.S. citizenship this long when she's spent decades in Europe anyway. That she would make her permanent home over there isn't that surprising from a business perspective. I remember her saying in interviews that Europeans are more loyal to an artist than Americans. So when or if she ever to decide to release new music, it'll have a more receptive audience over there than here in the States.

European fans of hers ate up Foreign Affair and Wildest Dreams more than we did...

So The Queen of Rock N Roll is finally gonna do what she probably has wanted to do for some time...

Tina had a bad marriage and survived domestic abuse like Thousands of Women around the World. Her story of triumph over struggling with an abusive husband while being in the spotlight has always been a great Testimony of the Power of Faith. America has been Good to Tina and she has been good to America.

Switzerland you be sure to take good care of our Queen. Don't make us send some Drones your way...

And don't forget Folks when Tina becomes a Swit OFFICIALLY that doesnt mean she's not elgible for American Awards and even Presidential Honors...

Recently Sir Paul McCartney was given an award by the White House and he's not an American citizen......

Timmy84 said:

UnderMySun said:

I'm surprised to hear that she actually kept her U.S. citizenship this long when she's spent decades in Europe anyway. That she would make her permanent home over there isn't that surprising from a business perspective. I remember her saying in interviews that Europeans are more loyal to an artist than Americans. So when or if she ever to decide to release new music, it'll have a more receptive audience over there than here in the States.

European fans of hers ate up Foreign Affair and Wildest Dreams more than we did...

Yep. While she played arenas (or not at all) in the states she played stadiums over here.

ISF said:

novabrkr said:

Yeah, you really need a higher crime rate to add excitement to your life.

It has quite high suicide rates. OF COURSE I am not saying that everyone who goes there is going to be so depressed by it that they will kill themselves, people have all sorts of problems, but it really is a boring place in my opinion.

Maybe, but not if you have money like she has and can afford to live in the rich people area of Zurich. Zurich is a great city and certainly not boring. Also you're really closed to travel to all other kinds of great cities.

Good for Tina! Im happy for her.

I just read this on Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w...ationality

I don't see it anywhere where a foreign citizen had to give up their passport from another country to be a Swiss citizen so she could still be an American. I guess the "giving up citizenship" part was tabloidish but it's confirmed she applied for Swiss citizenship. It seems you have to live for a certain long period (and learn German and the Swiss way of life) to finally apply for it. Years ago, after she had moved to Switzerland, she didn't know much German, she admitted.

I mean this ain't like Charlie Chaplin, who had to give up his American citizenship after being blacklisted.

So she'd probably be referred to as American-Swiss...

vainandy said:

HuMpThAnG said:

i want my country back dangit!!!

And we ain't a'gonna git it back until that dadgum pinko commie muzzlum Buhrock HUSANE Obomer is outta thar!

You's a crazy chile!

But to add my two cents, I'm like a lot of people here who posted that they were surprised it took her this long to do it. I remember seeing an interview she did years ago where it was quite obvious that she loved Europe and would finally make her home there.

Back in the 40s and 50s, a lot of black American musicians/artists, especially jazz musicians, went to Europe to make more money than they could performing here. Plus they were given much love and respect there.

I love my country, but I don't fault Tina one bit and am glad she has found peace and happiness. Hell, it I had the money, I would visit extensively my damn self.

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Timmy84 said:

It seems you have to live for a certain long period (and learn German and the Swiss way of life) to finally apply for it.

Proper German or this terrible mess that they speak in Switzerland?

EmancipationLover said:

Timmy84 said:

It seems you have to live for a certain long period (and learn German and the Swiss way of life) to finally apply for it.

Proper German or this terrible mess that they speak in Switzerland?

Proper German.

Shyra said:

vainandy said:

And we ain't a'gonna git it back until that dadgum pinko commie muzzlum Buhrock HUSANE Obomer is outta thar!

You's a crazy chile!

But to add my two cents, I'm like a lot of people here who posted that they were surprised it took her this long to do it. I remember seeing an interview she did years ago where it was quite obvious that she loved Europe and would finally make her home there.

Back in the 40s and 50s, a lot of black American musicians/artists, especially jazz musicians, went to Europe to make more money than they could performing here. Plus they were given much love and respect there.

I love my country, but I don't fault Tina one bit and am glad she has found peace and happiness. Hell, it I had the money, I would visit extensively my damn self.

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Not to mention she sold really well with all of her music in Switzerland (and other German speaking countries like Germany itself)...

Timmy84 said:

Is that her niece or grandchild? I'm guessing visits to America for those who become Switzerland citizens is different from other countries?

Not sure Timmy Tina's facebook page has pics of Tina's grandchildren, kids, niece

judging by the photos she frequently visited America.Will it be hard for Tina to visit for funerals,birthdays etc

http://www.facebook.com/m...amp;type=3

for a 73 year old grandma Tina has shocked some people with this earth shattering news

shellyk84 said:

Timmy84 said:

Is that her niece or grandchild? I'm guessing visits to America for those who become Switzerland citizens is different from other countries?

Not sure Timmy Tina's facebook page has pics of Tina's grandchildren, kids, niece

judging by the photos she frequently visited America.Will it be hard for Tina to visit for funerals,birthdays etc

http://www.facebook.com/m...amp;type=3

for a 73 year old grandma Tina has shocked some people with this earth shattering news

Hold up. Why on earth would she not be permitted to enter the U.S. with the proper visa even if she completely renounced her U.S.citizenship? It's not like she's banned forever from entering the country.

I don't see how she wouldn't be allowed to visit America. It ain't like if you lose citizenship in one place, you won't be allowed to visit. I don't get that logic at all. Also, it's not really confirmed if she's giving up her U.S. passport. That's the only problem I have with the news. This news also is not entirely earth-shattering. People are just slow as fuck and wanna find shock in anything.

Well, if the US government isn't totally petty when it comes to renouncing ones citizenship, it shouldn't be a problem at all for her to visit the US. As a swiss you don't even need a visa. You fill out a online form and some paperwork, while you fly over there and are allowed to stay for 90 days.

PatrickS77 said:

Well, if the US government isn't totally petty when it comes to renouncing ones citizenship, it shouldn't be a problem at all for her to visit the US. As a swiss you don't even need a visa. You fill out a online form and some paperwork, while you fly over there and are allowed to stay for 90 days.

If that's the case, then shoot Tina has been doing that anyway, according to Shelly.

Timmy84 said:

I just read this on Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w...ationality

I don't see it anywhere where a foreign citizen had to give up their passport from another country to be a Swiss citizen so she could still be an American. I guess the "giving up citizenship" part was tabloidish but it's confirmed she applied for Swiss citizenship. It seems you have to live for a certain long period (and learn German and the Swiss way of life) to finally apply for it. Years ago, after she had moved to Switzerland, she didn't know much German, she admitted.

I mean this ain't like Charlie Chaplin, who had to give up his American citizenship after being blacklisted.

So she'd probably be referred to as American-Swiss...

Charlie Chaplin never even became a US citizen in the first place.

There are a number of myths that are in circulation regarding giving up US citizenship and there appears to be a large amount of confusion related to what individuals can, and cannot, do after relinquishing their US passport. This section of our manual takes a look at some of the common misconceptions and provides the real facts about the consequences of giving up US citizenship.

1) Once you have filed renunciation you are still required to file US tax returns for the next ten years

Although this used to be true it is no longer the case. Now all you do is file a final return for the part of the year when you were still a citizen. That final return also includes Form 8854, which lists what, if any, exit tax is due.

2) Upon filing for renunciation the IRS will take half of your wealth

If you have a net worth less than $2 million and don’t meet the IRS income test after giving up US citizenship, you automatically owe no exit tax. If your net worth is over $2 million, you are what the IRS calls a “covered expatriate,” meaning you MAY have to pay exit tax. But you also may not, even if your net worth is $200 million or $2 billion.

So how can you tell what you would owe, if anything? You pay exit tax on unrealized gains as of the day before you give up your passport. In other words, it's as if you sold all your assets the day before you expatriated and paid whatever applicable tax would have been owed (long-term capital gains, ordinary income, etc.). If you own illiquid assets when you expatriate such as private companies or real estate, you'll need to get a fair market valuation done to determine what, if any, gains you would have had IF they had been sold. Here's a critical caveat in the calculation: You get a free pass, called the “exclusion amount,” on the first $626,000 in gains. If you're married and your spouse expatriates with you, the exclusion amount doubles to $1.252 million. For example, you and your spouse could expatriate with a stock portfolio showing $1.2 million in gains and not owe exit tax on it. Even if the portfolio tripled in value shortly after expatriating, you could sell it any time and owe no taxes.

To recap, if upon giving up US citizenship you own assets with unrealized gains of less than $626,000, you will not owe exit tax, no matter how wealthy you are. If you are required to pay tax it's less tax than you would have paid if you'd stayed in the U.S. and sold the assets. Plus, if any asset you pay exit tax on continues to rise in value post-renunication, all those additional gains are yours.

3) Renunciation means that you will never be permitted to visit the US again

When you give up US citizenship you do forego the right to enter the country. However, providing you have a passport from a country that allows you visa-free entry to the U.S., then you can enter the country just like any other visitor; you simply apply for a tourist or business visa at a U.S. embassy or consulate. It's called a B1/B2 visa, and it typically lasts for ten years.

4) Upon giving up US citizenship you lose your pension, Social Security and Medicare

This is not true. You’re still entitled to these after you expatriate. With Medicare you obviously have to be in the U.S., so this would be limited to visits there.

5) People who renounce their passports are required to attend interviews to justify why they wish to relinquish citizenship

You will be required to make an expatriation appointment, fill out forms, sign the “oath of renunciation,” and hand the official your U.S. passport. Providing you attend the meeting with the appropriate documentation and behave courteously, it’s an easy and mechanical process. For full details concerning the process for giving up US citizenship please see our guide to renouncing us citizenship.

if i could afford 2 i would give up mine and move 2 canada im tired of america bullying and bullshitting everything is media hyped and full of horseshit here now if not canada i would go 2 australia

moving to General Discussion

OldFriends4Sale said:

moving to General Discussion

Now there's a novel concept.

novabrkr said:

ISF said:

Why not dual citizenship? Is that not allowed under Swiss or US law?

Switzerland is a nice place for a person of her age, I can see why. Low taxes, too

For anybody under 50 Switzlerand is a boooooring place. In my opinion of course!

Yeah, you really need a higher crime rate to add excitement to your life.

cbarnes3121 said:

if i could afford 2 i would give up mine and move 2 canada im tired of america bullying and bullshitting everything is media hyped and full of horseshit here now if not canada i would go 2 australia

You are seriously naive if you think Canada isnt Media Hyped and also full of horseshit....You can Run to any country and you wont be able to escape the mainstream anything...

Advance Technology RULES the world and every Country is front and Center Pimping itself with their version of Show & Tell saying "Look at me, look at me!!!"

Why was this thread moved to General Discussion but the Jim Nabors thread remains in the Music: Non-Prince forum? Backwards.

shellyk84 said:

Timmy84 said:

Is that her niece or grandchild? I'm guessing visits to America for those who become Switzerland citizens is different from other countries?

Not sure Timmy Tina's facebook page has pics of Tina's grandchildren, kids, niece

judging by the photos she frequently visited America.Will it be hard for Tina to visit for funerals,birthdays etc

http://www.facebook.com/m...amp;type=3

for a 73 year old grandma Tina has shocked some people with this earth shattering news

When it comes to immigration across the board, most countries place others on tiers with status against one another. Switzerland is a wealthy, neutral, industrialized country on the first tier with a tremendous amount of financial clout: as a Swiss citizen Tina will be just fine when she wants to visit the US at any time.