CarrieLee said:

NOT!!!
dis punk had a chance to do dat when he took he other daughter to da fight, an o'viously she got dat ass whooped too. and it say grown folks was fighten too, HE got dat ass whooped too.
an anybody who shoot from a rollin car, is WAAAY
too punk to git out and 'slang den thangs', even if it is a lil girl.

Btw, the name of the school-killer was Robert Steinhäuser. He was 19. I have interviewed his parents. He came out of a normal family, both his parents were teachers. he had LEGALLY bought his gun because he had a license to carry it. Only very few people in Germany are allowed to carry guns, mainly hunters and law inforcement officers. I thought you should know.

CarrieLee said:

Wrong. I have changed my job this month, being promoted to "Neue Presse" (which has won the European Newspaper Award four years in a row, www.neuepresse.de). No boobs there.
[This message was edited Thu Feb 27 13:25:30 PST 2003 by soulpower]

CHEECHWIZARD said:

If this man was angry enough he would have done something else if he didn't have a gun on him.

soulpower said:

Well it's about time! But I wonder how much of the boobie paper has rubbed off on you?

soulpower said:

In order to do a proper comparison we would have to run many available statistics. ( I haven't the time to do so. Off the cuff... I would bet there are more people in California for example then in Germany altogether)
I am certain you will find the numbers near relative. In either case horrid acts occur in all countries. No one country should be pointed to and determined a problem separate of the fact that ALL even yours...has a history.

LaVisHh said:

Muse2noPharaoh said:

GERMANY??? A HISTORY OF VIOLENCE???
SURELY YOU JEST :LOL:

Natsume said:

Meaning I don't own a gun, and even if it did, I wouldn't use it to shoot at anyone. I do feel however that the punishment should fit the crime. Murdering an innocent child should have a harsher punishment than someone who steals a car.

Hope this makes sense.

Muse2noPharaoh said:

All the stats about domestic violance show it pretty clearly that the US are the most violent nation among all western countries... and that BY FAR. You may shift them around as much as you like, Renn... you wont be able to come to a different conclusion.
Just a personal note: In the 3 years I have lived in LA I have witnessed the outcome of 4 murders and various shoot outs in my neighbourhood alone (Venice Beach), while in my entire life in Germany I have never witnessed anything of that kind. But thats just a personal experience, however its quite representing.

soulpower said:

Of course I don't think drive-by shootings are acceptable. But if somebody breaks into my house and threatens my wife and daughters, I wouldn't hesitate to take him down. In America, you should expect that people will defend themselves (it should be that way everywhere, I think). It's nice to think the police will come to the rescue, and in my town I'd expect a response time of less than 3 minutes. So we feel very safe. But in many areas the police are tremendously understaffed and might not be able to get there in even 30 minutes or more. I'm sure some of you have horror stories.

I don't own a gun by the way.

LaVisHh said:

I was just confused because everything you say inherently says something about who you are. That's one of the ways humans get across their personalities.

CarrieLee said:

:confused: I have never seen any boobs in the politics pages of my paper (where I have been writing)... The rest I didnt even care to read

Natsume said:

Ok, then I won't confuse you any further by trying to explain.

LaVisHh said:

Rudy said:

I get your point. But I believe you can do it without a gun. In my experience as a journalist I cant recall one single case in Germany where a person broke into a house and killed someone who was there.
I know what you are saying about defending your wife and kid. But that should be a very last option. I remember when a man in America shot his daughter --- he thought she was somebody breaking into his house.

CHEECHWIZARD said:

I am living in post-war Germany. Nazi-Germany existed from 1933-1945. I'm sure you have heard of the peaceful other Germany, the current one. Right?

What that man did... I am unable to comprehend, really. Emotionally, I mean. I mean, my head understands the actions of what is being descibed. It's just that such things are so common place in todays world, that I have become de-sensitised to such events.

There is something I can do about that.

I do not condone what that man did. I also think that killing him is not the answer. Who has the right to take another persons life? No one. Not even if they have killed someone themselves.

I feel angry.

CarrieLee said:

he did try to do somethin else... an got dat ass taxed.
had he come out on top in da fights, it woulda been dune wit.
he went to da drive by as a last resort (one dat wouldn't get his ass kicked out o joint)
PUNKS DO AS PUNKS ARE...

A scuffle then broke out among the dozen or so girls, who ranged in age from 10 to 15. The groups soon parted ways, but Best returned with an older daughter and another brawl erupted, this time between adult relatives of both groups, Bloom said.

Police broke up that fight, but said Best came back again hours later, leaned out the passenger side of a moving car and fired at least five shots into the group of children still playing on the street. Authorities were trying to determine who was driving.

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[This message was edited Thu Feb 27 13:49:28 PST 2003 by CHEECHWIZARD]

soulpower said:

i is gonna claim IGNORANCE rite about now, i is not capable of matchin wit wit a reporter
it's just that when i think NEO-NAZI movement i can't
help but think about da fact dat da GERMAN GOV. felt it nessisary to bolster it's laws to combat such activities not too long ago, wut was it, in 2000???

reportin the edit
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Therapy said:

and I feel YOU!

soulpower said:

Once again, you make it sound as if all countries have equal footing when it comes to population and the socio-economic gap. The US has a much bigger population than other Western countries, so it stands to reason that the percentage of violence would go up. There are plenty of places in the US where such violence is almost unheard of (as you claim it is in Germany). Its not really a fair comparison. Your experience as a journalist is based on a very narrow worldview, in my opinion.
[This message was edited Thu Feb 27 14:04:21 PST 2003 by JediMaster]

CHEECHWIZARD said:

Y'know, you might have a compelling argument, if you actually tried to speak English.

JediMaster said:

"DO OR DO NOT, THERE IS NO TRY..."

I IS SEEN DAT SOMEWHERE... CAN'T QUITE PUT MY FANGER ON IT...


quotin the edit
[This message was edited Thu Feb 27 14:16:29 PST 2003 by CHEECHWIZARD]

This is the kind of crap that makes me want to take my wife and kid and move away.

The world is fucking filthy,digusting cest pool full of
animals running around doing as they please,with no conern
or consideration for anyone but their own ignorant ass self
it makes me sick to my god damned stomach

How about this one: Two guys in LA sexually abused a 4 year old girl. It happened where they keep dead bodies. I think in the hospital im not sure what they call it. It was two guys that work there. Oh yeah she was dead. I heard this during the news segment of the Howard Stern show.

fools
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vgallo6 said:

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vgallo6 said:

the best punishment for such sick bastards is to make them fuck rotting, maggot infested corpses everyday before getting gang raped in the prison shower.

if that's too archaic, the same death William Wallace received would do fine.