^ Damosuzuki-san we had this discussion weeks ago over in the P&R forum. are you still holding a grudge??

i think you've forgotten i already informed you of the basics:

we are all here for different reasons.

i'm here to have fun.

i'm NOT here to spend time and energy arguing.

when i post facts, i cite my sources. (when we are discussing something like global warming, and there are conflicting expert viewpoints, i say agree to disagree and let it go at that).

when i post opinions, they are opinions and do not need to be supported by cites.

so here is where i come right out and ask you to stop demanding that i prove to your satisfaction the basis for my opinions. i'm just not interested in going there

take it or leave it, but understand that i owe you nothing here.

thank you, that is all

[Edited 1/27/12 4:56am]

XxAxX said:

^ Damosuzuki-san we had this discussion weeks ago over in the P&R forum. are you still holding a grudge??

i think you've forgotten i already informed you of the basics:

we are all here for different reasons.

i'm here to have fun.

i'm NOT here to spend time and energy arguing.

when i post facts, i cite my sources. (when we are discussing something like global warming, and there are conflicting expert viewpoints, i say agree to disagree and let it go at that).

when i post opinions, they are opinions and do not need to be supported by cites.

so here is where i come right out and ask you to stop demanding that i prove to your satisfaction the basis for my opinions. i'm just not interested in going there

take it or leave it, but understand that i owe you nothing here.

thank you, that is all

[Edited 1/27/12 4:56am]

YEAH!!! WHUT SHE SAID...

so just STOP IT

lust said:

^^ I said born OF a male and a female, as in had a father and a mother not, born A male and female. As fo the rest of that post. I have a headache.

:nod: I hear that

XxAxX said:

^ Damosuzuki-san we had this discussion weeks ago over in the P&R forum. are you still holding a grudge??

i think you've forgotten i already informed you of the basics:

we are all here for different reasons.

i'm here to have fun.

i'm NOT here to spend time and energy arguing.

when i post facts, i cite my sources. (when we are discussing something like global warming, and there are conflicting expert viewpoints, i say agree to disagree and let it go at that).

when i post opinions, they are opinions and do not need to be supported by cites.

so here is where i come right out and ask you to stop demanding that i prove to your satisfaction the basis for my opinions. i'm just not interested in going there

take it or leave it, but understand that i owe you nothing here.

thank you, that is all

[Edited 1/27/12 4:56am]

:nod: i know its like...come on now we know...

XxAxX said:

^ Damosuzuki-san we had this discussion weeks ago over in the P&R forum. are you still holding a grudge??

i think you've forgotten i already informed you of the basics:

we are all here for different reasons.

i'm here to have fun.

i'm NOT here to spend time and energy arguing.

when i post facts, i cite my sources. (when we are discussing something like global warming, and there are conflicting expert viewpoints, i say agree to disagree and let it go at that).

when i post opinions, they are opinions and do not need to be supported by cites.

so here is where i come right out and ask you to stop demanding that i prove to your satisfaction the basis for my opinions. i'm just not interested in going there

take it or leave it, but understand that i owe you nothing here.

thank you, that is all

[Edited 1/27/12 4:56am]

I have no beef with you whatsoever, though I think you were needlessly pissy with me in the QM thread. In fact, I've purposefully avoided interacting with you since then, even though you posted a few things in the time cloak thread that I didn't agree with.

Opinions can be disputed and criticized. Posting a belief instead of a fact does not make them off limits from such things. Believing QM supports post mortem consciousness, believing in UFOs and alien origins for life on earth, comparing belief in them to the persecution of Galileo, are things that can be assessed for accuracy & validity. If you don’t want people to assess them, then I would say you probably shouldn’t post them. If you don’t like the way I criticize them, then just ignore my posts. I don’t post that often anyway, so ignoring me won’t be hard to do. Frankly, you’ve got what I would consider to be some rather kooky beliefs, and if you’re going to post them in a general forum I think you should expect a touch of flack.

I will allow that I can be a little tone-deaf at times. I have a touch of the Asperger’s and I probably do drone on – I have to concede that much. I’ve reviewed my posts on this thread, and I haven’t said anything that I won’t stand by, but I could have said less. I’ll give you that.

true story:

this morning there are fresh bunny tracks in the snow on my patio. the tracks come from under the big old tree nearby. BUT the tracks only go for three hops, and then.... nothing. clean, open, unmarked snow. no more tracks. it's as if... i mean it's just like the bunny was there one second and poof! gone the next!

but how could a rabbit just disappear like that? did it grow wings and fly away? or...?

or was it an alien abduction?

finally. the proof we've been waiting for.

XxAxX said:

Makes me Wonder how all those cows got drained of all their blood by burned holes in their bodies.

XxAxX said:

true story:

this morning there are fresh bunny tracks in the snow on my patio. the tracks come from under the big old tree nearby. BUT the tracks only go for three hops, and then.... nothing. clean, open, unmarked snow. no more tracks. it's as if... i mean it's just like the bunny was there one second and poof! gone the next!

but how could a rabbit just disappear like that? did it grow wings and fly away? or...?

or was it an alien abduction?

finally. the proof we've been waiting for.

you know whut???

there was a mangled bunny in the middle of the road a little while ago

how did it get from your patio in the winterlands, all the way to cali

without ALIEN INTERVENTION???? ooooooooooooooooo

more PROOF I SAY!!!

We havent even figured out our own neighbors under the sea yet if only they could talk they would be aliens too...think we are just alone then? LOL!

[img:$uid]http://coml.us/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/ocean-census-pink-see-through-fantasia-1006-lg-195x250.jpg[/img:$uid]

[img:$uid]http://www.funnyphotos.net.au/images/weird-deep-sea-fish1.jpg[/img:$uid]

paisleypark4 said:

We havent even figured out our own neighbors under the sea yet if only they could talk they would be aliens too...think we are just alone then? LOL!

[img:$uid]http://coml.us/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/ocean-census-pink-see-through-fantasia-1006-lg-195x250.jpg[/img:$uid]

[img:$uid]http://www.funnyphotos.net.au/images/weird-deep-sea-fish1.jpg[/img:$uid]

Exactly right.

Graycap23 said:

paisleypark4 said:

We havent even figured out our own neighbors under the sea yet if only they could talk they would be aliens too...think we are just alone then? LOL!

[img:$uid]http://coml.us/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/ocean-census-pink-see-through-fantasia-1006-lg-195x250.jpg[/img:$uid]

[img:$uid]http://www.funnyphotos.net.au/images/weird-deep-sea-fish1.jpg[/img:$uid]

Exactly right.

so now,

i once said and i'll say it again

the last frontier is just as much

the bottom of the sea as it is space.

but no-one believes that there is a

(for lack of a better term) space station

that was at the bottom of the indian ocean

UNTIL it imploded a few years back, AND

higher life forms may not look 'cute'.

paisleypark4 said:

Thanks for that. I'm going to have nightmares about that fucking fish now.

paisleypark4 said:

Thanks for that. I'm going to have nightmares about that fucking fish now.

paisleypark4 said:

XxAxX said:

true story:

this morning there are fresh bunny tracks in the snow on my patio. the tracks come from under the big old tree nearby. BUT the tracks only go for three hops, and then.... nothing. clean, open, unmarked snow. no more tracks. it's as if... i mean it's just like the bunny was there one second and poof! gone the next!

but how could a rabbit just disappear like that? did it grow wings and fly away? or...?

or was it an alien abduction?

finally. the proof we've been waiting for.

Makes me Wonder how all those cows got drained of all their blood by burned holes in their bodies.

chupacabras?

KingBAD said:

XxAxX said:

true story:

this morning there are fresh bunny tracks in the snow on my patio. the tracks come from under the big old tree nearby. BUT the tracks only go for three hops, and then.... nothing. clean, open, unmarked snow. no more tracks. it's as if... i mean it's just like the bunny was there one second and poof! gone the next!

but how could a rabbit just disappear like that? did it grow wings and fly away? or...?

or was it an alien abduction?

finally. the proof we've been waiting for.

you know whut???

there was a mangled bunny in the middle of the road a little while ago

how did it get from your patio in the winterlands, all the way to cali

without ALIEN INTERVENTION???? ooooooooooooooooo

more PROOF I SAY!!!

hey wait a second here.

what if the bunny is an alien masquerading as a bunny?

XxAxX said:

Alien abduction? That's one possibility. So what else could take a bunny from above thus leaving no trax!

Here is a photo chart of birds of prey that call Minnesota home. You live in Minnesota right?

http://www.pbase.com/gschmickle/raptors

So now have two theories on your bunnynapping story. Yeah my money is on E.T.

XxAxX said:

KingBAD said:

you know whut???

there was a mangled bunny in the middle of the road a little while ago

how did it get from your patio in the winterlands, all the way to cali

without ALIEN INTERVENTION???? ooooooooooooooooo

more PROOF I SAY!!!

hey wait a second here.

what if the bunny is an alien masquerading as a bunny?

poves that man will fuck up

dishwater, if you let him...

lust said:

XxAxX said:

true story:

this morning there are fresh bunny tracks in the snow on my patio. the tracks come from under the big old tree nearby. BUT the tracks only go for three hops, and then.... nothing. clean, open, unmarked snow. no more tracks. it's as if... i mean it's just like the bunny was there one second and poof! gone the next!

but how could a rabbit just disappear like that? did it grow wings and fly away? or...?

or was it an alien abduction?

finally. the proof we've been waiting for.

Alien abduction? That's one possibility. So what else could take a bunny from above thus leaving no trax! Here is a photo chart of birds of prey that call Minnesota home. You live in Minnesota right? http://www.pbase.com/gschmickle/raptors So now have two theories on your bunnynapping story. Yeah my money is on E.T.

if it's good enough for Father Gabriel, it works for me too

Vatican says aliens could exist

By David Willey BBC News, Rome

Tuesday, May 13, 2008

Writing in the Vatican newspaper, the astronomer, Father Gabriel Funes, said intelligent beings created by God could exist in outer space. Father Funes, director of the Vatican Observatory near Rome, is a respected scientist who collaborates with universities around the world. The search for forms of extraterrestrial life, he says, does not contradict belief in God. The official Vatican newspaper headlines his article 'Aliens Are My Brother'.

'Free from sin'

Just as there are multiple forms of life on earth, so there could exist intelligent beings in outer space created by God. And some aliens could even be free from original sin, he speculates.

Asked about the Catholic Church's condemnation four centuries ago of the Italian astronomer and physicist, Galileo, Father Funes diplomatically says mistakes were made, but it is time to turn the page and look towards the future.

Science and religion need each other, and many astronomers believe in God, he assures readers.

To strengthen its scientific credentials, the Vatican is organising a conference next year to mark the 200th anniversary of the birth of the author of the Origin of Species, Charles Darwin.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7399661.stm

[Edited 1/29/12 8:35am]

XxAxX said:

I don't doubt for a minute that aliens exist. It's a huge universe and life evolved on our rock so it's extremely unlikely that it happened just here. I don't require verification from some "scientist" at the Vatican to permit me to believe certain things.

My point was if a small animal goes missing in an area that is known for having large birds of prey then why automatically assume an alien must be responsible?
If you are too quick to ascribe aliens to things that happen when more simple known earthly answers are available then it makes it hard to take you seriously. I too would love it if we could find evidence of alien involvement here and visitations. I really mean that. What we could learn of physics and other planets would be mind blowing. I hope we find evidence of life out there before I die. But just wanting something to be true doesn't mean one should just blindly accept all claims about such extraordinary things and certainly not assuming aliens must be stealing rabbits just because of a few anomalous markings in the snow.

We have come along way scientifically in what we know about our world and universe. Those who have made those discoveries have done so using the scientific method and searching for evidence while casting a skeptical eye over their own results. It might seem dull and boring to the masses but it works and the results and knowledge it gives us all is far from it.

XxAxX said:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w...nix_Lights
[edit]Explanations

There is some controversy as to how best to classify the reports on the night in question. Some are of the opinion that the differing nature of the eyewitness reports indicates that several unidentified objects were in the area, each of which was its own separate "event". This is largely dismissed by skeptics as an over-extrapolation from the kind of deviation common in necessarily subjective eyewitness accounts. The media and most skeptical investigators have largely preferred to split the sightings into two distinct classes, a first and second event, for which two separate explanations are offered:
[edit]First event
The first event—the "V", which appeared over northern Arizona and gradually traveled south over nearly the entire length of the state, eventually passing south of Tucson—was the apparently "wedge-shaped" object reported by then-Governor Symington and many others. This event started at about 8:15 over the Prescott area, and was seen south of Tucson by about 8:45.
Proponents of two separate events propose that the first event still has no provable explanation, but that some evidence exists that the lights were in fact airplanes. According to an article by reporter Janet Gonzales that appeared in the Phoenix New Times, videotape of the v shape shows the lights moving as separate entities, not as a single object; a phenomenon known as illusory contours can cause the human eye to see unconnected lines or dots as forming a single shape.
Mitch Stanley, an amateur astronomer, observed the lights using a Dobsonian telescope giving 43x magnification. After observing the lights, he told his mother, who was present at the time, that the lights were aircraft.[17] According to Stanley, the lights were quite clearly individual airplanes; a companion who was with him recalled asking Stanley at the time what the lights were, and he said, "Planes". His account is contradicted by several thousand Phoenix residents without high powered telescopes, however, and no military or civilian aircraft formations were known to have been flying in the area at that time, which isn't unheard of.
[edit]Second event
The second event was the set of nine lights appearing to "hover" over the city of Phoenix at around 10 pm. The second event has been more thoroughly covered by the media, due in part to the numerous video images taken of the lights. This was also observed by numerous people who may have thought they were seeing the same lights as those reported earlier.
The U.S. Air Force explained the second event as slow-falling, long-burning LUU-2B/B illumination flares dropped by a flight of four A-10 Warthog aircraft on a training exercise at the Barry Goldwater Range at Luke Air Force Base. According to this explanation, the flares would have been visible in Phoenix and appeared to hover due to rising heat from the burning flares creating a "balloon" effect on their parachutes, which slowed the descent.[18] The lights then appeared to wink out as they fell behind the Sierra Estrella, a mountain range to the southwest of Phoenix.
A Maryland Air National Guard pilot, Lt. Col. Ed Jones, responding to a March 2007 media query, confirmed that he had flown one of the aircraft in the formation that dropped flares on the night in question.[18] The squadron to which he belonged was in fact at Davis-Monthan AFB, Arizona on a training exercise at the time and flew training sorties to the Barry Goldwater Range on the night in question, according to the Maryland Air National Guard. A history of the Maryland Air National Guard published in 2000 asserted that the squadron, the 104th Fighter Squadron, was responsible for the incident.[19] The first reports that members of the Maryland Air National Guard were responsible for the incident were published in The Arizona Republic newspaper in July 1997.[20]
Military flares[21][22] such as these can be seen from hundreds of miles given ideal environmental conditions. Later comparisons with known military flare drops were reported on local television stations, showing similarities between the known military flare drops and the Phoenix Lights.[4][5] An analysis of the luminosity of LUU-2B/B illumination flares, the type which would have been in use by A-10 aircraft at the time, determined that the luminosity of such flares at a range of approximately 50–70 miles would fall well within the range of the lights viewed from Phoenix.[16]
Dr. Bruce Maccabee did an extensive triangulation of the four videotapes, determining that the objects were near or over the Goldwater Proving Grounds.[23]

lust said:

XxAxX said:

if it's good enough for Father Gabriel, it works for me too

Vatican says aliens could exist

By David Willey BBC News, Rome

Tuesday, May 13, 2008

Writing in the Vatican newspaper, the astronomer, Father Gabriel Funes, said intelligent beings created by God could exist in outer space. Father Funes, director of the Vatican Observatory near Rome, is a respected scientist who collaborates with universities around the world. The search for forms of extraterrestrial life, he says, does not contradict belief in God. The official Vatican newspaper headlines his article 'Aliens Are My Brother'.

'Free from sin'

Just as there are multiple forms of life on earth, so there could exist intelligent beings in outer space created by God. And some aliens could even be free from original sin, he speculates.

Asked about the Catholic Church's condemnation four centuries ago of the Italian astronomer and physicist, Galileo, Father Funes diplomatically says mistakes were made, but it is time to turn the page and look towards the future.

Science and religion need each other, and many astronomers believe in God, he assures readers.

To strengthen its scientific credentials, the Vatican is organising a conference next year to mark the 200th anniversary of the birth of the author of the Origin of Species, Charles Darwin.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7399661.stm

[Edited 1/29/12 8:35am]

I don't doubt for a minute that aliens exist. It's a huge universe and life evolved on our rock so it's extremely unlikely that it happened just here. I don't require verification from some "scientist" at the Vatican to permit me to believe certain things. My point was if a small animal goes missing in an area that is known for having large birds of prey then why automatically assume an alien must be responsible? If you are too quick to ascribe aliens to things that happen when more simple known earthly answers are available then it makes it hard to take you seriously. I too would love it if we could find evidence of alien involvement here and visitations. I really mean that. What we could learn of physics and other planets would be mind blowing. I hope we find evidence of life out there before I die. But just wanting something to be true doesn't mean one should just blindly accept all claims about such extraordinary things and certainly not assuming aliens must be stealing rabbits just because of a few anomalous markings in the snow. We have come along way scientifically in what we know about our world and universe. Those who have made those discoveries have done so using the scientific method and searching for evidence while casting a skeptical eye over their own results. It might seem dull and boring to the masses but it works and the results and knowledge it gives us all is far from it.

are you being serious? cause i sure as hell was not please remember don't check your sense of humor at the door

which is not to say that none of this should be taken seriously, but please. how on earth did i become such a lightning rod for all of the Angry People on this topic? and angry about disappearing rabbits? and you felt the need to correct my posting style, did you??? for my own good..... gee, thanX!!

not assuming aliens must be stealing rabbits just because of a few anomalous markings in the snow.

^remember: sense of humor. don't let your urge to put me down personally interfere with your ability to have fun here.

RFLMAO!

[Edited 1/30/12 4:31am]

KingBAD said:

Graycap23 said:

Exactly right.

so now,

i once said and i'll say it again

the last frontier is just as much

the bottom of the sea as it is space.

but no-one believes that there is a

(for lack of a better term) space station

that was at the bottom of the indian ocean

UNTIL it imploded a few years back, AND

higher life forms may not look 'cute'.

What happened now? There was a space station at the bottom of the Indian Ocean?

lust said:

XxAxX said:

[Edited 1/20/12 16:31pm]

http://en.wikipedia.org/w...nix_Lights [edit]Explanations There is some controversy as to how best to classify the reports on the night in question. Some are of the opinion that the differing nature of the eyewitness reports indicates that several unidentified objects were in the area, each of which was its own separate "event". This is largely dismissed by skeptics as an over-extrapolation from the kind of deviation common in necessarily subjective eyewitness accounts. The media and most skeptical investigators have largely preferred to split the sightings into two distinct classes, a first and second event, for which two separate explanations are offered: [edit]First event The first event—the "V", which appeared over northern Arizona and gradually traveled south over nearly the entire length of the state, eventually passing south of Tucson—was the apparently "wedge-shaped" object reported by then-Governor Symington and many others. This event started at about 8:15 over the Prescott area, and was seen south of Tucson by about 8:45. Proponents of two separate events propose that the first event still has no provable explanation, but that some evidence exists that the lights were in fact airplanes. According to an article by reporter Janet Gonzales that appeared in the Phoenix New Times, videotape of the v shape shows the lights moving as separate entities, not as a single object; a phenomenon known as illusory contours can cause the human eye to see unconnected lines or dots as forming a single shape. Mitch Stanley, an amateur astronomer, observed the lights using a Dobsonian telescope giving 43x magnification. After observing the lights, he told his mother, who was present at the time, that the lights were aircraft.[17] According to Stanley, the lights were quite clearly individual airplanes; a companion who was with him recalled asking Stanley at the time what the lights were, and he said, "Planes". His account is contradicted by several thousand Phoenix residents without high powered telescopes, however, and no military or civilian aircraft formations were known to have been flying in the area at that time, which isn't unheard of. [edit]Second event The second event was the set of nine lights appearing to "hover" over the city of Phoenix at around 10 pm. The second event has been more thoroughly covered by the media, due in part to the numerous video images taken of the lights. This was also observed by numerous people who may have thought they were seeing the same lights as those reported earlier. The U.S. Air Force explained the second event as slow-falling, long-burning LUU-2B/B illumination flares dropped by a flight of four A-10 Warthog aircraft on a training exercise at the Barry Goldwater Range at Luke Air Force Base. According to this explanation, the flares would have been visible in Phoenix and appeared to hover due to rising heat from the burning flares creating a "balloon" effect on their parachutes, which slowed the descent.[18] The lights then appeared to wink out as they fell behind the Sierra Estrella, a mountain range to the southwest of Phoenix. A Maryland Air National Guard pilot, Lt. Col. Ed Jones, responding to a March 2007 media query, confirmed that he had flown one of the aircraft in the formation that dropped flares on the night in question.[18] The squadron to which he belonged was in fact at Davis-Monthan AFB, Arizona on a training exercise at the time and flew training sorties to the Barry Goldwater Range on the night in question, according to the Maryland Air National Guard. A history of the Maryland Air National Guard published in 2000 asserted that the squadron, the 104th Fighter Squadron, was responsible for the incident.[19] The first reports that members of the Maryland Air National Guard were responsible for the incident were published in The Arizona Republic newspaper in July 1997.[20] Military flares[21][22] such as these can be seen from hundreds of miles given ideal environmental conditions. Later comparisons with known military flare drops were reported on local television stations, showing similarities between the known military flare drops and the Phoenix Lights.[4][5] An analysis of the luminosity of LUU-2B/B illumination flares, the type which would have been in use by A-10 aircraft at the time, determined that the luminosity of such flares at a range of approximately 50–70 miles would fall well within the range of the lights viewed from Phoenix.[16] Dr. Bruce Maccabee did an extensive triangulation of the four videotapes, determining that the objects were near or over the Goldwater Proving Grounds.[23]

I remember seeing the explinations on that video. Hmmm..is all I have to that incident.

paisleypark4 said:

KingBAD said:

so now,

i once said and i'll say it again

the last frontier is just as much

the bottom of the sea as it is space.

but no-one believes that there is a

(for lack of a better term) space station

that was at the bottom of the indian ocean

UNTIL it imploded a few years back, AND

higher life forms may not look 'cute'.

What happened now? There was a space station at the bottom of the Indian Ocean?

Yes..there have been many USO's.........but no one talks about them or the bases.

Graycap23 said:

paisleypark4 said:

What happened now? There was a space station at the bottom of the Indian Ocean?

Yes..there have been many USO's.........but no one talks about them or the bases.

just read the Shag Harbour, Canada incident. Weird.

paisleypark4 said:

Graycap23 said:

Yes..there have been many USO's.........but no one talks about them or the bases.

just read the Shag Harbour, Canada incident. Weird.

There are 2 many 2 keep track of.

XxAxX said:

Look, fair enough but I thought it was still just friendly discussion between people who have differing opinions on a particular topic. I am certainly not angry in regards to this topic, just interested, that's all. Disagreeing is not a personal attack.

In regards to your joke about the rabbit. I thought it must be a joke but couldn't really be sure as I have heard all sorts. However, the rabbit story provided a great allegory for how I think we should consider UFO stories and how we shouldn't leap to otherworldly conclusions without investigating more terrestrial possibilities first. Be that a disappearing rabbit or bright lights in the sky. Unless we are prepared to search for and eliminate earthly explanations then the literally more far fetched alien hypothesis holds no weight, In my opinion.

Sceptical inquiry is not a cynical or negative way to look at things. If something is true then it will stack up and if you come to a conclusion by exercising scepticism then your results will be more honest and carry more weight. Can you see anything valid in that?

If not, no worries. We are free to think what we want and also how we think.

lust said:

XxAxX said:

^remember: sense of humor. don't let your urge to put me down personally interfere with your ability to have fun here.

RFLMAO!

[Edited 1/30/12 4:31am]

Look, fair enough but I thought it was still just friendly discussion between people who have differing opinions on a particular topic. I am certainly not angry in regards to this topic, just interested, that's all. Disagreeing is not a personal attack. In regards to your joke about the rabbit. I thought it must be a joke but couldn't really be sure as I have heard all sorts. However, the rabbit story provided a great allegory for how I think we should consider UFO stories and how we shouldn't leap to otherworldly conclusions without investigating more terrestrial possibilities first. Be that a disappearing rabbit or bright lights in the sky. Unless we are prepared to search for and eliminate earthly explanations then the literally more far fetched alien hypothesis holds no weight, In my opinion. Sceptical inquiry is not a cynical or negative way to look at things. If something is true then it will stack up and if you come to a conclusion by exercising scepticism then your results will be more honest and carry more weight. Can you see anything valid in that? If not, no worries. We are free to think what we want and also how we think.

I’m sure you don’t want to hear anything more from me, but I’d like to add to Lust’s comments. For whatever it’s worth I don’t see much anger in this thread, and I don’t think you’ve been singled out. The nastiest thing that’s been said is probably my ‘kooky’ comment, and, well, I could have said much worse. Not unlike yourself, this is my idea of a good time. I quite enjoy coming into threads like this (creationist threads are always the most enjoyable for me, but these are a good substitute) and looking for the flaws in arguments. I just view it as a way for me to work on my critical thinking skills, a means for me to get some exercise in constructing and deconstructing arguments. Obviously I think this is a frivolous topic, but some people do take it seriously and trying to find the errors in their arguments is quite fun for me.

In fact, I think you misunderstood a few of the points I was trying to make. For the record, I was not demanding evidence from you at any point. Back in post #54, I was just trying to make the point that UFO proponents have to make a positive case for their position, and those who are contesting their arguments don’t have to prove there are no UFOs because non-UFO belief is the null hypothesis in this scenario. The null hypothesis doesn’t have to be proven – it’s the default position that we revert to when a proposed hypothesis fails, so it’s not correct to say that, since UFOs haven’t been proven or disproven, both sides are equally valid and on the same footing (which is what I believe you were saying in post 51). The point I made regarding that Galileo business was much the same. I think you may have assumed I was trying to take a run at you, but I was just trying to exercise some critical thinking – did the same thing with others on this thread, did the same thing in the evolution thread. Hopefully this will be a little clearer now that I’ve explained my motivation above. It's just a message board for a faded 80s pop star, nothing to take too seriously.

[Edited 1/30/12 16:52pm]

^ i don't have time to read any of all that but i'm glad you're both coming around to seeing things more clearly.

here, this link is where you can donate money to fund the search. thanks again!

http://www.seti.org/

[Edited 1/30/12 16:55pm]

XxAxX said:

^ i don't have time to read any of all that but i'm glad you're both coming around to seeing things more clearly.

here, this link is where you can donate money to fund the search. thanks again!

http://www.seti.org/

[Edited 1/30/12 16:55pm]

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