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assuming humankind was genetically engineered by alien intelligence (which is a huge assumption, and yet, see, biblical references, pan-cultural references in religious teachings, historical artwork, sumerian cuneiforms, epic of gilgamesh, roswell footage and eyewitness accounts, etc.), then i'm guessing the aliens won't be easily persuaded to show themselves.
humans have proven to be violent, xenophobic and short-sighted little mammals. if taliens are 'here' they are likely observing without being observed.
i wonder what will happen when us earthlings find (as we eventually will) a planet compatible with our own which is already inhabited by intelligent aliens, will we respect their right to control the planet we discover? will we wipe them out as were the native americans?
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I'll ask the question again.....is God an alien? By definition the entity humans call God is NOT from Earth.
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ok, i'll bite.
"whut if GOD was one of us"
of course GOD is an alien GOD represents an alien concept ie. havin vast knowledge of all things able to be in all places at all times and in some religions, alienating those who are here by makin it imposible to live up to GOD's standards.
so even havin GOD among us makes GOD an alien i am KING BAD!!!
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That is exactly what will happen. We already are prone for wiping ourselves out with missles and explosions because of hurt feelings and angered self seving rights. Let alone wiping out the animals that are exotic. Straight Jacket Funk Affair
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Earth is known as the PRISON planet. No way they let humans infect the rest of the Universe. | |
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umm.. i just thoughta something. Graycap, when you say 'Gray' cap, do you mean THIS kind of grey?
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If you think about it though, you worded that like we're automatically more powerful and advanced and would definitely 'win'.
Honestly I'm willing to bet they're way more advanced than us and would kick our asses if we tried that, easily.
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Intellectually speaking........................yes. How did u guess? | |
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To me that's a bit simplistic.
I think God is kind of bigger than all that. And that he's not even a part of this universe or any universe - that he's somewhere out of and above all of it and created it all.
So no, to me he's not an alien and not human, either. 비 | |
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"whut if GOD was one of us"
of course GOD is an alien GOD represents an alien concept ie. havin vast knowledge of all things able to be in all places at all times and in some religions, alienating those who are here by makin it imposible to live up to GOD's standards.
so even havin GOD among us makes GOD an alien
i am KING BAD!!!
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well yes, in my opinion. it makes perfect sense to me
see, it just hasn't been that many years since the roman inquisition punished galileo for daring to suggest that the sun was the center of the universe. and how far have humans come since then? let's just say we never really stopped burning witches at the stake, one way or another.
anyway, imo religion and science meld perfectly when we assume that god is an alien intelligence that began human life and other life as an experiment/exercise in love here on planet earth. every single day we receive new pictures from distant galaxies. every single day we are forced to reconsider at least part of what we thought we knew. we have only just begun to recognize that the universe is comprised of things we don't understand. so imo we are still living on a flat earth when it comes to our knowledge of alien intelligence
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which i kinda hate to admit because next up someone will point the 
finger at me and 
in a way. but not about this. i guess i'm sensitive about being laughed at for my belief in alien lifeforms that visit this, and other planets. 
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such a shame. but, if we could extend our lives significantly we might stand a chance of becoming more compassionate as we understand more. maybe.
don't worry. your secret is safe with me.
how did i figure it? well, that's easy. this website is, after all, prince.org. and if aliens are here on earth, they are fans of prince. they would simply have to be, he's so charmingly eccentric i'm guessing he'd resemble the many-armed jesters of their home planet zargon. thus, aliens inhabit the ORG, alongside us humans. | |
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..."Of course"?
I think you have your own opinion of it and you're confusing that with proven fact. The two aren't the same thing. Whenever you can prove that with legitimate supporting evidence I'll take what you're saying as fact but until then it's what you want to believe and you can't really authoritively state anything and correct other people as though you know without a doubt that they're wrong when you don't and what you say is purely what you want to believe is true.
Personally like I said, I think God isn't an alien or a human, but some completely separate, superior, undefinable entity that's way more powerful than both groups combined, who created both and everything else that exists in the first place. Just because he's not walking around on planet earth doesn't make him synonymous with being an alien to me.
Plus, while I think that yeah, aliens are probably way more advanced than our species, that doesn't necessarily mean that they know everything there is to know or are even near God's level, much less surpassing it.
In short? I think God is God.
Aliens are aliens.
And people are people.
On a side note - if your religious comments were about Christianity, I think a large part of the problem is all the tampering with Biblical text, done by Man over the years - parts were added into the Bible, taken out, etc. In short I think what we ultimately have now is so polluted that most of it isn't even the Word of God but a list of rules and judgments created by those in power to supress the rest of humanity. I don't even think God is that stern and judgmental and expects people to be perfect like that and live up to that unattainable bullshit. I think God is love, period. And He basically just wants us to try like hell to be good people. And even if we fall short, He forgives us if we're genuinely doing the best we know how and trying hard to be good people and do the right thing. Thing is, people crammed all these rules and words into God's mouth that He never said - so then when people can't live up to it and feel resentful, He gets the blame when He never said that shit in the first place. [Edited 1/25/12 17:46pm] 비 | |
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Lol.....U have no idea what an Alien is. This makes no sense. Define what an alien is...... | |
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Humans are interesting in a non interesting kind of way. | |
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In the E.T (as opposed to the "he smuggled in over the Rio Grande" sense) it means life that did not origonate on earth.
Life is the characteristic that distinguishes objects that have self-sustaining biological processes from those that do not.
So if God exists and he/she or it has a self sustaining biological process then you arguably have a point as he clearly could not have origonated on earth if he created it but I would guess that you would have a hard time buliding a case supporting the notion that God is a biological entity? If the milk turns out to be sour, I aint the kinda pussy to drink it! | |
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Correction : My idea of what an alien is doesn't fit in with your accepted dogma of what an alien, is.
And really I do not care and that's not my problem. 비 | |
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I think it shows some people's limited thinking ability to immediately assume that if God doesn't walk on planet Earth as we do, that it means by default that he must be an alien in the sense of a grey or a reptilian or a sirian...
I don't think in black and white and either/or. I think in color, so yeah - Him not dwelling here doesn't necessarily mean, to me, that He has to be an 'alien' life form. As I said before I think He's something else entirely and above any and all of that and that in short He's responsible for the creation of everything and everyone in existence - that includes both people and aliens.
And really since none of us know for sure, none of us can state our views with any degree of arrogance and say for sure whether or not someone else's guesswork is 'right' or 'wrong'.
I think there's :
God
aliens
and people, period; and pretty much nothing anyone else says will ever convince me otherwise. Unless, someone manages to supply some kind of proof to back up their stance - and no, belittling people and stomping your foot insisting it is so, doesn't count. 비 | |
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I agree, because I find you quite boring.
I love the way some humans like to refer dismissively to humanity as though they somehow aren't a member.
If you have opposable thumbs, piss, fart, vomit and take shits and walk upright then you're a human too no matter how much you might want to think otherwise. 비 | |
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1.) i am so truely NOT into christianity. largely for the reasons i stated and you hit on again in sec.2.)' the bullshit of man ' 3.) again, this is an alien concept to the human race as well as bein able to be all at all times. and4.) i noticed you couldn't help but let the OLD TEACHINGS hold you in check by refering to something so alien (not human) as a he. it happens to most of us i choose to use the term GOD for a focal point when conversing with others.
so yes i have my own opinion about this, and i say you have yours, again the proof is in the fact the no matter whut is said it won't disprove GOD as being an alien being because there is no proof that GOD doesn't exsist. HOWEVER, GOD is not human or of this earth THEREFORE i say GOD IS AN ALIEN
you know the funny thing is that and alien would most likely be a higher life form, but if it travels by means of transport (u.f.o.) then it is not the highest life form there is. i am KING BAD!!!
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But the fact that some geniuses were laughed at does not imply that all who are laughed at are geniuses. They laughed at Columbus, they laughed at Fulton, they laughed at the Wright Brothers. But they also laughed at Bozo the Clown. Carl Sagan The reason why we remember Galileo & Darwin and Wallace and the multitude of people who participated in crafting the big bang model is because they accumulated evidence and showed how their theories best explained the natural world as we observe it. For you to justifiably place this topic within that category, you need to in turn show that your explanation best fits our observations. That’s where we get back to looking at the evidence and find it to be in a generally miserable state. The plausibility of these claims is extremely low, and the proofs that are offered for them simply don’t meet the standard we should require to accept the claims. Instead, we are offered murky testimonials and, as I pointed out in a previous post, photographs and videos that either show explainable events or seem to be about as good as we’re able to simulate with our current technology, and that’s not good enough. That suggests more that people want this to be true, resulting in the wishful thinking, suggestibility and (sometimes) flat out deception that often is observed in this field, rather than providing any evidence for this actually being true.
So from there we have to turn back to what imago said at the beginning of this thread. How is this any different from a religious belief? Without any compelling evidence in its favour, I don’t see how there’s much difference at all. | |
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no. i feel no need to convince you, or anyone else, to see things my way.
it really is that simple dearie.
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that's what i'm afraid of. that our limited understanding and fear-based violence will make us worthy of extermination, rather than assistance | |
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What was Jesus? | |
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Graycap23 said:
What was Jesus? If he existed then by far the most likely hypothesis is that he was a human born of a male and a female. Just like you and me. If the milk turns out to be sour, I aint the kinda pussy to drink it! | |
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Part about Jesus partly being hermaphodite is accurate (according to an alien named Thao is very long and quite detailed but I'll shorten it up).
As you know, an Astral body being reincarnated as a baby, passes through ‘The River of Oblivion’ and his earlier material knowledge is effaced. Therefore, the child born in Bethlehem would not have been able to perform ‘miracles’ even if he lived to 100 years of age. However, he was a superior being, like Moses. This is proven, by the way he astonished temple doctors at the age of twelve. Like the very young people now on Earth, who are called geniuses because they seem to have a calculation in their heads, Jesus was a human being inhabited by a highly evolved Astral body. And yet, even if he had studied in the very advanced schools on Earth, amongst the Nagas, for example, he never could have acquired the knowledge to revive the dead or cure the sick.
‘I know that, on Earth, there are people who believe that, from the age of twelve, until his return to Judea, Jesus studied in the monasteries of India and Tibet. This is how they try to explain the gap that exists in the Bible, when Jesus simply disappeared from Bethlehem. ‘He left his parents’ home at the age of fourteen, accompanied by his twelve year old brother Ouriki. He travelled to Burma, India, China and Japan. His brother accompanied Jesus everywhere, until Ouriki was accidentally killed in China. Jesus took a lock of Ouriki’s hair with him, for he loved him very much.
‘Jesus was fifty years of age when he arrived in Japan, where he married and had three daughters. Finally, he died in the Japanese village of Shingo, where he had lived for forty-five years. He was buried in Shingo, which is on the main island of Japan - Honshu, and beside his tomb is another, containing the little box holding Ouriki’s lock of hair. ‘Those of your fellow men who like evidence can go to Shingo, formerly known as Herai, in the district of Aomori.1
‘But, let’s go back to our precise mission in this regard... The only messenger we could send to Earth had to be one of us. The ‘Christ’ who died on the cross in Jerusalem, was called Aarioc. He was brought, by us, to the desert of Judea, having volunteered to change his physical body. Thus, he abandoned his hermaphrodite body, which had lived some considerable time on Thiaoouba, and took on the body of Christ, created for him by our Thaori. By so doing, he maintained totally, the knowledge he possessed on Thiaoouba.’
‘Why couldn’t he have remained in his body and simply reduced it in size, as Latoli and Biastra did, in front of me? Couldn’t he have stayed long enough in a ‘shrunken’ body?’
‘There was another problem, Michel, he had to resemble a human being from Earth in all respects, and, since we are hermaphrodites, we couldn’t risk the Hebrews noticing that this messenger from God was half female.
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So, all his miracles were performed in order to prove that what he preached was true?’
‘Yes, because the Hebrews and the Romans would never have believed him if he hadn’t proven himself. There was a very good example of the strength of scepticism among people on Earth regarding the Shroud of Turin. Although millions believe in the coming of Jesus and practise, more or less, Christian religions, they were anxious to hear the results of research by experts, into whether or not the Shroud covered Christ after his ‘death’.
You now know the answer to this. However, people seek proof and more proof, and still more proof, for doubt still exists in their minds. Buddha, an Earthling, who acquired his understanding through his own study, did not say, as your fellow men do: ‘I believe’, but rather, ‘I know’. Faith is never perfect but knowledge is. ‘When you return to Earth and tell your story, the first thing you will be asked is for evidence.
If we were to give you, for example, a piece of metal which doesn’t exist on Earth, there would always be one, among the experts who analyse it, who would insist that you prove the metal was not created by a clever alchemist of your acquaintance - or some such thing.’
‘Will you give me something as proof?’
‘Michel, don’t disappoint me. You will have no material proof, for precisely the reasons I have just outlined - there would be no point.
‘Faith is nothing in comparison with knowledge. Buddha ‘knew’ and when you return to Earth, you too, will be able to say ‘I know’.
‘There is a well-known story of doubting Thomas who wanted to touch Christ’s wounds, for, seeing them with his own eyes did not convince him enough; and yet, when he touched them, he was still doubtful. He suspected some kind of magic trick. You know nothing of Nature on your planet, Michel, and, as soon as something occurs which is a little beyond your understanding, everyone claims it is magic. Levitation = magic; invisibility = magic - and yet we are only applying natural laws. Rather, you should say, levitation = knowledge and invisibility = knowledge.
‘So, Christ was sent to Earth to preach love and spirituality. He had to contend with people who were not highly evolved, speaking to them in parables. When he tipped over the merchants’ tables at the temple, angry for the first and only time, he was making a statement against money. ‘His mission was to impart a message of love and goodness - ‘love one another’ and also to enlighten the people in regard to the reincarnation of astral bodies and immortality. This was all distorted by priests in the time that followed and numerous disagreements led to the rise of the many sects which claim to follow the teachings of Christ. Straight Jacket Funk Affair
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^^ If the milk turns out to be sour, I aint the kinda pussy to drink it! | |
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I didn't think you were trying to convince me, and I didn't say that you were. My comment is solely directed to the way you invoked Galileo. Believe whatever you like, but if you're going to suggest that you have common ground with scientific pioneers then you should show that your case has evidence. Otherwise that's a mostly baseless comparison. It's not completely unfounded because UFO proponents may well be persecuted in some fashion, though I doubt any are put under house arrest, but it's mostly unfounded because Galileo actually had facts and a sound argument.
Generally speaking, if a person has truth on his side, he can make his case by proof and sound arguments, and that should be your retort against any ridicule you might suffer. [Edited 1/26/12 18:12pm] | |
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