angel345 said:

SeventeenDayze said:

Are you suggesting that someone who Googles another person isn't being honest? What year do you live in, 1997? LOL.

To the other person who asked, I am going out with him in a few days.

What is wrong with asking him? Now, that's timeless. Google search? People are doing that, nowadays? Wow

No offense against our girl SeventeenDayze or other people into the "Google Me" frame of mind, but, outside of professional/pr related reasons, I think that's sick. Unless a person is a public figure or one whose job would benefit from being on the net, I would never look someone up on google unless I had reason to suspect they were weirdos and a threat to me. This age of "show me-show me-show me (online)-just for the sake of showing me" creeps me out.

Pomade said:

There remains a signficant gap in the numbers of CEOs who are women and those who are men, but that number continues to grow. Women can be found in leadership positions throughout the professional world. Marketing dollars continue to cater to women's buying power -- how do you figure things have gotten worse for them?

Yes, "the mommy track" continues to pose real challenges to American women who want both career and family, but the shifting gender landscape that increasingly involves men in the homemaking/work-from-home capacity is at least adding options for those women.

As for men opting for a lazy route, would you acknowledge that there always have been lazy people of both sexes and that increased opportunity for women may have helped expose the percentage of men who were always lazy? Whenever I see news coverage of job fairs and unemployment, I see long lines of men in suits trying to find employment.

Yes there has always been lazy ass people both male and female as far as I know.

What has changed is it is a lot easier now for men like my father to just stay on the couch.

My father is a prime example and I have no idea what his mental issues were. He may have benifited from counceling, who knows.

The man was highly intelligent, and although not liscensed in plumbing, electricity, or carpentry, he was great at all those things. He was a construction worker who drove the large Caterpillar trucks.

The mans unreliability made him the last one hired and the first one fired.

The more my mother helped support the family and got a halfway decent job the less he, not a popular man with the bosses, went out after work. He was a Teamster so he knew when jobs were coming up. He had a reputation as someone who could do great work but a pain in the ass who did not always show up on time (and a know it all who constantly put his coworkers down).

Men like this, those that are not stupid but won't take direction, can't seem to roll out of bed and get to work on time, and fight frequently with their coworkers will need to be taken by the ear in order to stand in line to fill out job applications.

This "slacker" profile was not considered at all "manley" before 1980 but slowly it has become more acceptable.

I guess it is no different then the housewife who is hitting the bottle from the time her family leaves the house in the morning and is drunk when they get home, or shops away all of her husbands paycheck. etc. Some people just have issues. They also have a brilliant way of presenting themselves so that they seem more like a victim then the one responsible for their own downfalls.

uPtoWnNY said:

SeventeenDayze said:

The dude made the comment in a meeting with several other people but I clearly felt like it was "aimed" at me, and it also seemed to slightly annoy the few black dudes in the room....but hey if the dude wants to throw money at me for a little while, bring it!

Did the brothers speak out or did they pussy out?

No, they didn't say a word, so it was kinda like, um, okay dude just said that and y'all ain't saying a word, okayyyyyyyyyyyyy, LOL!

Ottensen said:

angel345 said:

What is wrong with asking him? Now, that's timeless. Google search? People are doing that, nowadays? Wow

No offense against our girl SeventeenDayze or other people into the "Google Me" frame of mind, but, outside of professional/pr related reasons, I think that's sick. Unless a person is a public figure or one whose job would benefit from being on the net, I would never look someone up on google unless I had reason to suspect they were weirdos and a threat to me. This age of "show me-show me-show me (online)-just for the sake of showing me" creeps me out.

Several months ago, I caught the attention of a guy who really wanted to hang out with me more, etc. I had a gut feeling that something was just not right. So, I went to Google and found out that he was married and had four kids. Now, imagine if I would have not known that sooner and perhaps would have wasted valuable time and non-refundable emotional energy into a guy who was a player...sometimes, you just have to be grateful about certain technological advances and how they can help you avoid bad situations.

Deadflow3r said:

Pomade said:

There remains a signficant gap in the numbers of CEOs who are women and those who are men, but that number continues to grow. Women can be found in leadership positions throughout the professional world. Marketing dollars continue to cater to women's buying power -- how do you figure things have gotten worse for them?

Yes, "the mommy track" continues to pose real challenges to American women who want both career and family, but the shifting gender landscape that increasingly involves men in the homemaking/work-from-home capacity is at least adding options for those women.

As for men opting for a lazy route, would you acknowledge that there always have been lazy people of both sexes and that increased opportunity for women may have helped expose the percentage of men who were always lazy? Whenever I see news coverage of job fairs and unemployment, I see long lines of men in suits trying to find employment.

Yes there has always been lazy ass people both male and female as far as I know.

What has changed is it is a lot easier now for men like my father to just stay on the couch.

My father is a prime example and I have no idea what his mental issues were. He may have benifited from counceling, who knows.

The man was highly intelligent, and although not liscensed in plumbing, electricity, or carpentry, he was great at all those things. He was a construction worker who drove the large Caterpillar trucks.

The mans unreliability made him the last one hired and the first one fired.

The more my mother helped support the family and got a halfway decent job the less he, not a popular man with the bosses, went out after work. He was a Teamster so he knew when jobs were coming up. He had a reputation as someone who could do great work but a pain in the ass who did not always show up on time (and a know it all who constantly put his coworkers down).

Men like this, those that are not stupid but won't take direction, can't seem to roll out of bed and get to work on time, and fight frequently with their coworkers will need to be taken by the ear in order to stand in line to fill out job applications.

This "slacker" profile was not considered at all "manley" before 1980 but slowly it has become more acceptable.

I guess it is no different then the housewife who is hitting the bottle from the time her family leaves the house in the morning and is drunk when they get home, or shops away all of her husbands paycheck. etc. Some people just have issues. They also have a brilliant way of presenting themselves so that they seem more like a victim then the one responsible for their own downfalls.

Before the stuff hit the fan with the "Brooklirican" dude, I remember he made a comment to a few of us that more or less was, "That's why I have a tough time keeping a job because I can't give up my philosophical beliefs" or something to that effect. From what I understand, he's a career student for that reason and he's never had a 9-5 job. He told me that he once taught school in NYC but "quit" after a few months. Aside from that, he's had no other professional work experience. But, why are there girls throwing themselves at him when he's marginally employed and totally devoid of real world experience? Some girls like guys like that, I don't. My breaking point with me happened when he tried to get me involved in the mess between two other girls fighting for his attention. When I refused, that's when he got angry and resentful and hates me for it. I guess he's not used to rejection because he's not handling it well at all. It's hard to believe that before he saw me with the other guy, he and I got along so well. Now, the guy works in overdrive trying to get me to quit and have others turn on me.

He also presents himself well initially but just beyond the surface, he's a wolf in sheep's clothing, no doubt. He even gave a few of us (oddly enough all women) some line about how he's now "now making 1/6 of the income he once did at the job he quit"' but he's "happier now"...

This is the generation of all style, no substance....

[Edited 1/2/12 10:07am]

SeventeenDayze said:

uPtoWnNY said:

Did the brothers speak out or did they pussy out?

No, they didn't say a word, so it was kinda like, um, okay dude just said that and y'all ain't saying a word, okayyyyyyyyyyyyy, LOL!

I thought "older white guy" was reading an article - that he believed was true - in a meeting. Is this correct?

@UptoWnNY are you saying the black guys should have disputed whether or not what was being reported was true or question why "older white guy" was reading it in the meeting?

@SeventeenDayze were the black men over 40? Also, what's their relation to the "older white guy"? His Supervisor(s) or Subordinates? Are they new to the company? Youngsters straight outta college? Do you guys have a Union or a Human Resources department that can deal with "issues"?

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Deadflow3r said:

Pomade said:

There remains a signficant gap in the numbers of CEOs who are women and those who are men, but that number continues to grow. Women can be found in leadership positions throughout the professional world. Marketing dollars continue to cater to women's buying power -- how do you figure things have gotten worse for them?

Yes, "the mommy track" continues to pose real challenges to American women who want both career and family, but the shifting gender landscape that increasingly involves men in the homemaking/work-from-home capacity is at least adding options for those women.

As for men opting for a lazy route, would you acknowledge that there always have been lazy people of both sexes and that increased opportunity for women may have helped expose the percentage of men who were always lazy? Whenever I see news coverage of job fairs and unemployment, I see long lines of men in suits trying to find employment.

Yes there has always been lazy ass people both male and female as far as I know.

What has changed is it is a lot easier now for men like my father to just stay on the couch.

My father is a prime example and I have no idea what his mental issues were. He may have benifited from counceling, who knows.

The man was highly intelligent, and although not liscensed in plumbing, electricity, or carpentry, he was great at all those things. He was a construction worker who drove the large Caterpillar trucks.

The mans unreliability made him the last one hired and the first one fired.

The more my mother helped support the family and got a halfway decent job the less he, not a popular man with the bosses, went out after work. He was a Teamster so he knew when jobs were coming up. He had a reputation as someone who could do great work but a pain in the ass who did not always show up on time (and a know it all who constantly put his coworkers down).

Men like this, those that are not stupid but won't take direction, can't seem to roll out of bed and get to work on time, and fight frequently with their coworkers will need to be taken by the ear in order to stand in line to fill out job applications.

This "slacker" profile was not considered at all "manley" before 1980 but slowly it has become more acceptable.

I guess it is no different then the housewife who is hitting the bottle from the time her family leaves the house in the morning and is drunk when they get home, or shops away all of her husbands paycheck. etc. Some people just have issues. They also have a brilliant way of presenting themselves so that they seem more like a victim then the one responsible for their own downfalls.

That's an unfortunate story. I know quite a few women, though, who fit that description. I think SeventeenDayze is right: Much has been made about this generation having a way larger sense of entitlement.

Shaolin325 said:

SeventeenDayze said:

No, they didn't say a word, so it was kinda like, um, okay dude just said that and y'all ain't saying a word, okayyyyyyyyyyyyy, LOL!

I thought "older white guy" was reading an article - that he believed was true - in a meeting. Is this correct?

@UptoWnNY are you saying the black guys should have disputed whether or not what was being reported was true or question why "older white guy" was reading it in the meeting?

@SeventeenDayze were the black men over 40? Also, what's their relation to the "older white guy"? His Supervisor(s) or Subordinates? Are they new to the company? Youngsters straight outta college? Do you guys have a Union or a Human Resources department that can deal with "issues"?

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Hi there Well, he referred to an article that he read that week, but wasn't actually reading it there in the meeting.

I can't speak for Uptown but perhaps they said that because it would be something that would have annoyed one of them enough to have said something but since they didn't perhaps it wasn't so "bad" afterall?

Yes, the black men were over 40, we're all volunteers so there's no subordinates or what have you.

Pomade said:

Deadflow3r said:

Yes there has always been lazy ass people both male and female as far as I know.

What has changed is it is a lot easier now for men like my father to just stay on the couch.

My father is a prime example and I have no idea what his mental issues were. He may have benifited from counceling, who knows.

The man was highly intelligent, and although not liscensed in plumbing, electricity, or carpentry, he was great at all those things. He was a construction worker who drove the large Caterpillar trucks.

The mans unreliability made him the last one hired and the first one fired.

The more my mother helped support the family and got a halfway decent job the less he, not a popular man with the bosses, went out after work. He was a Teamster so he knew when jobs were coming up. He had a reputation as someone who could do great work but a pain in the ass who did not always show up on time (and a know it all who constantly put his coworkers down).

Men like this, those that are not stupid but won't take direction, can't seem to roll out of bed and get to work on time, and fight frequently with their coworkers will need to be taken by the ear in order to stand in line to fill out job applications.

This "slacker" profile was not considered at all "manley" before 1980 but slowly it has become more acceptable.

I guess it is no different then the housewife who is hitting the bottle from the time her family leaves the house in the morning and is drunk when they get home, or shops away all of her husbands paycheck. etc. Some people just have issues. They also have a brilliant way of presenting themselves so that they seem more like a victim then the one responsible for their own downfalls.

That's an unfortunate story. I know quite a few women, though, who fit that description. I think SeventeenDayze is right: Much has been made about this generation having a way larger sense of entitlement.

Agreed Pomade, I've seen people who have no discernible effort put into different things but want tons of media, attention, etc. but for very little to no effort or hardwork being done at all. It's like everyone wants everything to be as fast as a download these days....

I'll be meeting up with the older white guy tomorrow, so the new thread will start on that tomorrow night!

This thread is the meth addiction of the Org.

Happened to come across this on Yahoo! and (of course) thought of this thread...

Rules to Dating Older Men

PurpleJedi said:

This thread is the meth addiction of the Org.

It keeps people up at night - sweating and uncomfortable, rots their teeth and turns them into sucked up looking aliens, but they still want to sell their possessions in order to get more?

Cerebus said:

PurpleJedi said:

This thread is the meth addiction of the Org.

It keeps people up at night - sweating and uncomfortable, rots their teeth and turns them into sucked up looking aliens, but they still want to sell their possessions in order to get more?

Cerebus said:

PurpleJedi said:

This thread is the meth addiction of the Org.

It keeps people up at night - sweating and uncomfortable, rots their teeth and turns them into sucked up looking aliens, but they still want to sell their possessions in order to get more?

Yup! Especially when you start posting in P&R religiously.

Ottensen said:

angel345 said:

What is wrong with asking him? Now, that's timeless. Google search? People are doing that, nowadays? Wow

No offense against our girl SeventeenDayze or other people into the "Google Me" frame of mind, but, outside of professional/pr related reasons, I think that's sick. Unless a person is a public figure or one whose job would benefit from being on the net, I would never look someone up on google unless I had reason to suspect they were weirdos and a threat to me. This age of "show me-show me-show me (online)-just for the sake of showing me" creeps me out.

angel345 said:

Ottensen said:

No offense against our girl SeventeenDayze or other people into the "Google Me" frame of mind, but, outside of professional/pr related reasons, I think that's sick. Unless a person is a public figure or one whose job would benefit from being on the net, I would never look someone up on google unless I had reason to suspect they were weirdos and a threat to me. This age of "show me-show me-show me (online)-just for the sake of showing me" creeps me out.

I google everyone--if info is free and available, why not. I remember when we could look in a phone book and find out some basics, now we have to deal with cell phones and the opposite sex hiding behind them. All this anonnymity has been bad for the dating world if you ask me. If a person has been honest with me, then they have nothing to fear--I once googled this guy who had some serious charges brought against him, his name appeared in a newspaper in the next town over.....and I didn't feel bad for learning about it.....as if he was going to volunteer that info

This thread is a tree

Gotta branch out a little until we find out if he showed her his moobs.....

its the only way to get to the root of it

SeventeenDayze said:

Ottensen said:

No offense against our girl SeventeenDayze or other people into the "Google Me" frame of mind, but, outside of professional/pr related reasons, I think that's sick. Unless a person is a public figure or one whose job would benefit from being on the net, I would never look someone up on google unless I had reason to suspect they were weirdos and a threat to me. This age of "show me-show me-show me (online)-just for the sake of showing me" creeps me out.

Several months ago, I caught the attention of a guy who really wanted to hang out with me more, etc. I had a gut feeling that something was just not right. So, I went to Google and found out that he was married and had four kids. Now, imagine if I would have not known that sooner and perhaps would have wasted valuable time and non-refundable emotional energy into a guy who was a player...sometimes, you just have to be grateful about certain technological advances and how they can help you avoid bad situations.

True, I can see how it can be an advantage...but I also think that by a certain age and level of life experience (and just plain ole common sense), a woman's intuitive sense for BS should be honed enough to not have to rely on Google. Maybe I'm too old skool, but it seems it shouldn't take more than 5 conversations with a person to figure out where people are in their lives morally, psychologically, financially, & spiritually...and whether or not they're trying to pull something over on you with a woman waiting for them at home. Hell, you can usually tell just by looking directly in a person's eyes if they're on the up & up. But if the net has been helpful to you in avoiding craziness, then I'm glad. I guess I'm just antiquated...from the old fashioned department of watch, look, and listen

ThisOne said:

its the only way to get to the root of it

PurpleJedi said:

ThisOne said:

its the only way to get to the root of it

the leaves dont fall far from the tree u know

StillGotIt said:

angel345 said:

I google everyone--if info is free and available, why not. I remember when we could look in a phone book and find out some basics, now we have to deal with cell phones and the opposite sex hiding behind them. All this anonnymity has been bad for the dating world if you ask me. If a person has been honest with me, then they have nothing to fear--I once googled this guy who had some serious charges brought against him, his name appeared in a newspaper in the next town over.....and I didn't feel bad for learning about it.....as if he was going to volunteer that info

With the way technology and people are today, if it's dire, then I can see myself going that route. Otherwise, I am an old fashion gal

angel345 said:

StillGotIt said:

I google everyone--if info is free and available, why not. I remember when we could look in a phone book and find out some basics, now we have to deal with cell phones and the opposite sex hiding behind them. All this anonnymity has been bad for the dating world if you ask me. If a person has been honest with me, then they have nothing to fear--I once googled this guy who had some serious charges brought against him, his name appeared in a newspaper in the next town over.....and I didn't feel bad for learning about it.....as if he was going to volunteer that info

With the way technology and people are today, if it's dire, then I can see myself going that route. Otherwise, I am an old fashion gal

I feel ya with the old fashioned stuff. I think I am generally a good judge of character, but I also know that the real psychos are skilled in hiding their dark side........I generally only dated dudes that I could get teh 411 on from people around us--they knew somebody I knew. strangers approacing me without a common friend were always considered suspect