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JamesMarshallHendrix said: AzureStar said: Depression at my worst:
I could not get out of bed, no bath or shower, no brushing my teeth or hair, it was a chore to get up and go to the bathroom. I slept and slept and slept and would not leave my room for nearly two weeks. You don't feel like talking, you CAN'T talk,just "being" is a struggle... you want to die, you want to live, you want to be left alone, you want to be with people, but you can't do a damned thing but lie there in bed. It took a while to comb the snarls out of my hair after that time. That time really sucked. That was one of my worst moments ever. This is level that I experienced. What do you do as someone who cares? I did research it, I went to therapy but in the end it was all about her illness. I could do nothing, it sucked. It was like unable to fix something that you cared about. Then it just seemed like I was taking abuse. Many experts swear that the correct medication does really help. I know people are scared of meds, but they really can make a difference. When I read about the evils of drinking, I gave up reading. | |
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althom said: Oh my god! bkw actually said something thoughful.
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I know, it is unusual for me. I have moments of weakness when I let it all out.  When I read about the evils of drinking, I gave up reading. | |
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JamesMarshallHendrix said: AzureStar said: Depression at my worst:
I could not get out of bed, no bath or shower, no brushing my teeth or hair, it was a chore to get up and go to the bathroom. I slept and slept and slept and would not leave my room for nearly two weeks. You don't feel like talking, you CAN'T talk,just "being" is a struggle... you want to die, you want to live, you want to be left alone, you want to be with people, but you can't do a damned thing but lie there in bed. It took a while to comb the snarls out of my hair after that time. That time really sucked. That was one of my worst moments ever. This is level that I experienced. What do you do as someone who cares? I did research it, I went to therapy but in the end it was all about her illness. I could do nothing, it sucked. It was like unable to fix something that you cared about. Then it just seemed like I was taking abuse. Being understanding is key. It takes a lot of patience and understanding to have a healthy relationship with someone with a chemical imbalance. As far as what you do... I cannot answer that, as it hasn't been done yet. I know what not to do and that is to not blame their illness for everything that is wrong in their/your life, don't tell someone who is depressed to "snap out of it" or to "go and read a book". If they are depressed, they are depressed and there really isn't anything that can help them get out of it... not any fun thing in the world will get that person out of it and to have someone bug you with ideas, even though they are trying to be helpful, really only makes the depression worse. In my experience. Listening when they want to talk, being there and letting them know you are there and do care are important... but, understanding is key. You can't "fix it". That is what I think is the hardest for those living with someone who has the illness. They care and want to fix it and when they find that they can't they become frustrated. It's not easy. That I know. I have heard that too... that living with me was like abuse. One minute I am normal, the next I am on a high and the next time you turn around I am depressed. I can't help it and it is just who I am... but I have heard that exact thing before, and I am sure that is probably how it does feel. Luckily, this past year my depression has changed some... it is still there, but different. | |
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althom said: Oh my god! bkw actually said something thoughful.
He's off his meds. | |
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AzureStar said:[quote] JamesMarshallHendrix said: I have heard that too... that living with me was like abuse. One minute I am normal, the next I am on a high and the next time you turn around I am depressed. I can't help it and it is just who I am... but I have heard that exact thing before, and I am sure that is probably how it does feel. Luckily, this past year my depression has changed some... it is still there, but different.
I wish you the best. I have a new outlook on your posts (not a bad outlook but a new outlook). Hopefully you have a supportive group of people around you. Just for the record, your man is just a Saint. That's a testimony from me. | |
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2the9s said: althom said: Oh my god! bkw actually said something thoughful.
He's off his meds. When I read about the evils of drinking, I gave up reading. | |
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JamesMarshallHendrix said:[quote] AzureStar said: JamesMarshallHendrix said: I have heard that too... that living with me was like abuse. One minute I am normal, the next I am on a high and the next time you turn around I am depressed. I can't help it and it is just who I am... but I have heard that exact thing before, and I am sure that is probably how it does feel. Luckily, this past year my depression has changed some... it is still there, but different.
I wish you the best. I have a new outlook on your posts (not a bad outlook but a new outlook). Hopefully you have a supportive group of people around you. Just for the record, your man is just a Saint. That's a testimony from me. Thank you... 
And, ummm... I don't have a man. Although, I can thank IceNine for helping me learn more about my depression side of things and how to cope with it when it hits, as well as Aerogram... those two people have helped me with it in more ways than one. | |
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AzureStar said:[quote] JamesMarshallHendrix said: AzureStar said: JamesMarshallHendrix said: I have heard that too... that living with me was like abuse. One minute I am normal, the next I am on a high and the next time you turn around I am depressed. I can't help it and it is just who I am... but I have heard that exact thing before, and I am sure that is probably how it does feel. Luckily, this past year my depression has changed some... it is still there, but different.
I wish you the best. I have a new outlook on your posts (not a bad outlook but a new outlook). Hopefully you have a supportive group of people around you. Just for the record, your man is just a Saint. That's a testimony from me. Thank you...
And, ummm... I don't have a man. Although, I can thank IceNine for helping me learn more about my depression side of things and how to cope with it when it hits, as well as Aerogram... those two people have helped me with it in more ways than one. I was wondering, is it better to have the same disorder to be together? Because they would have a better understanding of what goes on. Or would that create more conflict if the two don't go through their problems together, but at different times? | |
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I'm COOL, but everyone else is CRAZY AS FUCK.
some times i wonder how long it will be before i have to put another of the CRAZIES out of their misery. Yeah they seem ok at first look, but you can tell their thinking something about you, and they intend to hurt you if you don't GET THEM FIRST... i'm just glad that they're on the PC instead of out on the streets.  I AM King BAD a.k.a. BAD,
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SuperC said:[quote] AzureStar said: JamesMarshallHendrix said: AzureStar said: JamesMarshallHendrix said: I have heard that too... that living with me was like abuse. One minute I am normal, the next I am on a high and the next time you turn around I am depressed. I can't help it and it is just who I am... but I have heard that exact thing before, and I am sure that is probably how it does feel. Luckily, this past year my depression has changed some... it is still there, but different.
I wish you the best. I have a new outlook on your posts (not a bad outlook but a new outlook). Hopefully you have a supportive group of people around you. Just for the record, your man is just a Saint. That's a testimony from me. Thank you...
And, ummm... I don't have a man. Although, I can thank IceNine for helping me learn more about my depression side of things and how to cope with it when it hits, as well as Aerogram... those two people have helped me with it in more ways than one. I was wondering, is it better to have the same disorder to be together? Because they would have a better understanding of what goes on. Or would that create more conflict if the two don't go through their problems together, but at different times? I think there is a certain level of understanding that you can only get from another who has actually experienced depression themselves... which would make it easier to be in the relationship in that way. However, I am not sure how it would be if both people experienced it at the same time... I've never been in that situation. It may be worse... I don't know. | |
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JamesMarshallHendrix said: AzureStar said: Depression at my worst:
I could not get out of bed, no bath or shower, no brushing my teeth or hair, it was a chore to get up and go to the bathroom. I slept and slept and slept and would not leave my room for nearly two weeks. You don't feel like talking, you CAN'T talk,just "being" is a struggle... you want to die, you want to live, you want to be left alone, you want to be with people, but you can't do a damned thing but lie there in bed. It took a while to comb the snarls out of my hair after that time. That time really sucked. That was one of my worst moments ever. This is level that I experienced. What do you do as someone who cares? I did research it, I went to therapy but in the end it was all about her illness. I could do nothing, it sucked. It was like unable to fix something that you cared about. Then it just seemed like I was taking abuse. Oh man! I can't believe it. You've gone through EXACTLY what I've gone through these past few months...I had a recent breakup with my girlfriend a few months ago. She's manic-depressive. I also received an education about the illness. I thought that I could be her main support but I coudn't. I thought I was stronger than I am and it hurts to know that I'm not. It drained me and eventually took it's toll on our relationship. We would start to argue constantly until it got worse and worse. I started to feel worthless and that I didn't matter at all and that she would be better off without me. Everyone would. Ironically, I became depressed about our faltering relationship and had to seek help. Finding out that she was sleeping with my best friend who KNEW we were trying to salvage our relationship did not help matters. That hurt the most. I miss the old me. There is a part of me that hates knowing that I can get that depressed. People tell me that it's a learning experience. I could have lived without this lesson. I agree that meds are a pain. I've come to believe that my mind is the only thing that can truly help in the end or rather the belief the sincere belief that I will not be conquered by it. I won't ignore it, but rather face it head on. Thanks for letting me vent everyone. This feels good. You have no idea. "I ordered no broth! Away with ye lest my cane find your backside!!"- Ralph Wiggum, Actor. | |
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I miss the old me. There is a part of me that hates knowing that I can get that depressed. Thanks for letting me vent everyone. This feels good. You have no idea.
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INSATIABLE said: I miss the old me. There is a part of me that hates knowing that I can get that depressed. Thanks for letting me vent everyone. This feels good. You have no idea.
Thank you. (BTW, how do I use the emoticons?) "I ordered no broth! Away with ye lest my cane find your backside!!"- Ralph Wiggum, Actor. | |
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nevermind. "I ordered no broth! Away with ye lest my cane find your backside!!"- Ralph Wiggum, Actor. | |
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AzureStar said: Thank you...
And, ummm... I don't have a man. Although, I can thank IceNine for helping me learn more about my depression side of things and how to cope with it when it hits, as well as Aerogram... those two people have helped me with it in more ways than one. Thank you, Heather. | |
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Aerogram said: AzureStar said: Thank you...
And, ummm... I don't have a man. Although, I can thank IceNine for helping me learn more about my depression side of things and how to cope with it when it hits, as well as Aerogram... those two people have helped me with it in more ways than one. Thank you, Heather.
I really should be thanking you... one day I am going to venture to Canada and tell you thank you in person... have that tea we talked about. | |
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SuperC said: DigitalLisa said: I don't know one person who has not been depressed at least once or twice
Again, i agree. The question is when is it considered a disorder? When does the doctors prescibe meds? USUALLY doctors will only prescribe medicine if they think your condition is severe enough (unfortunately there are those doctors who want to prescribe medicine at the drop of a hat). There are those depressed people who may only need therapy alone. Medicine is usually for those who are beyond the "mild depression" condition, and even some mildly depressed people may need it if it's obviously chronic. Many doctors are willing to respect your request to not take any medicine if they think you're not severe enough to require it. National Depression Screening Day is usually in September or October of every year. Outside of that, I don't how or if you can get a free diagnosis. You should call a hospital, or a mental health clinic and ask about it. If you're talking about manic depression (bipolar disorder), well I don't know for a fact, but I don't think doctors will NOT prescribe medication for that. I've never heard of them not doing so. [This message was edited Tue Feb 18 19:49:44 PST 2003 by Supernova] This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes. | |
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AzureStar said: Listening when they want to talk, being there and letting them know you are there and do care are important... but, understanding is key.
Most definitely... Being understanding and informed is extremely important, not only for the friends/family of someone who is suffering with the problem, but also for the person themselves... For many it can be a huge relief to know that what they are feeling is actually "normal" in relation to what they've been diagnosed with... Social support is extremely important... both in the treatment of depression or anxiety disorders, or in the prevention of their onset... a lack of adequate social support and understanding can definitely be a part of the problem... . [This message was edited Tue Feb 18 22:12:39 PST 2003 by Diva] --»You're my favourite moment, you're my Saturday... | |
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IceNine said: SuperC said: INSATIABLE said: SuperC said: And i wonder, how many of you have seen a doctor for mental problems or are on medication. It seems like alot more people than i thought and i wonder if i am missing something. I never thought i needed it, but now i wonder
 Is this common?Mental problems meaning depression? Yeah for the most part, i guess. I'm not an expert in this field. Back in the day you were either CRAZY or SANE. Now there is add and all kinds of stuff. Depression is not CRAZY in any way... depressed people do not sit around watching happy pixies dancing around our heads all day, nor do we hear messages from Tralfamador directing us to build homosexual robots to sodomize Republicans... we are just depressed. People who view depressed people as CRAZY only add to the problems of those who are depressed, as they now believe that others see them as CRAZY and not just depressed. Maybe I should be on the lookout for all those people who are out to get me... Shit, I really hope that the tinfoil-coated football helmet that I am wearing is stopping my thoughts from being broadcast over AM radio. BUT: Could you solve the problem written on the window? | |
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I think you are all so cool for being candid! I have several of my closest friends dealing with bipolar disorder. Some choose med's... some do not.It's never been a problem in our relationships but often I hear sharp remarks from others. It's common to hear what's the matter with her? To which I always look over laugh and say that's my Vic! Their lack of understanding pisses me off grandly! Fortunately my friends are beyond caring what the public at large thinks. Sometimes I feel really helpless when one goes into hiding! I mean I can't get her to answer the door in this state. In real time i am viewed as a bit wild but reserved. So it's always a pleasure to pull clown moves to make sure they know i am out there and loving them and awaiting there reemergence! ( One actually pulls out of it this way! ) Another gets so pissed off she can't see straight... ( This is my very best friend! ) She knows that i do what i can live with all and all... No, I can't pull her out of it but I made my love known. I can live with what comes of it. I also set clear boundaries. So I have never felt abused. I accept that at times they will cross the line... It is not an option...We ignore each other for a few days.. then one or the other asks ' "are you done?" Inseparable again!
...And let me tell you in the last few years when the cards were stacked against me and I was face down... My friends were there to see me through. There was no end to what they would do to assure I was still standing. So yeah, The Road is bumpier but never boring!
I wasn't created for a serene life anyway. Here in lies the beauty of it. If you are reading this and thinking  no way! That's cool too... To each his own. Get in where you fit in. | |
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Muse2noPharaoh said: I think you are all so cool for being candid! I have several of my closest friends dealing with bipolar disorder. Some choose med's... some do not.It's never been a problem in our relationships but often I hear sharp remarks from others. It's common to hear what's the matter with her? To which I always look over laugh and say that's my Vic!
Their lack of understanding pisses me off grandly! Fortunately my friends are beyond caring what the public at large thinks. Sometimes I feel really helpless when one goes into hiding! I mean I can't get her to answer the door in this state. In real time i am viewed as a bit wild but reserved. So it's always a pleasure to pull clown moves to make sure they know i am out there and loving them and awaiting there reemergence! ( One actually pulls out of it this way! ) Another gets so pissed off she can't see straight... ( This is my very best friend! ) She knows that i do what i can live with all and all... No, I can't pull her out of it but I made my love known. I can live with what comes of it. I also set clear boundaries. So I have never felt abused. I accept that at times they will cross the line... It is not an option...We ignore each other for a few days.. then one or the other asks ' "are you done?" Inseparable again!
...And let me tell you in the last few years when the cards were stacked against me and I was face down... My friends were there to see me through. There was no end to what they would do to assure I was still standing. So yeah, The Road is bumpier but never boring!
I wasn't created for a serene life anyway. Here in lies the beauty of it. If you are reading this and thinking no way! That's cool too... To each his own. Get in where you fit in. | |
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AzureStar said:[quote] JamesMarshallHendrix said: AzureStar said: JamesMarshallHendrix said: I have heard that too... that living with me was like abuse. One minute I am normal, the next I am on a high and the next time you turn around I am depressed. I can't help it and it is just who I am... but I have heard that exact thing before, and I am sure that is probably how it does feel. Luckily, this past year my depression has changed some... it is still there, but different.
I wish you the best. I have a new outlook on your posts (not a bad outlook but a new outlook). Hopefully you have a supportive group of people around you. Just for the record, your man is just a Saint. That's a testimony from me. Thank you...
And, ummm... I don't have a man. Although, I can thank IceNine for helping me learn more about my depression side of things and how to cope with it when it hits, as well as Aerogram... those two people have helped me with it in more ways than one. Well didn't mean to bring that up but I'm really suprised that you mention Icenine & Aerogram as supportive people. I'm not on here as much as most people but I had no idea that people were that nice on this forum. | |
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NovaAngel said: JamesMarshallHendrix said: AzureStar said: Depression at my worst:
I could not get out of bed, no bath or shower, no brushing my teeth or hair, it was a chore to get up and go to the bathroom. I slept and slept and slept and would not leave my room for nearly two weeks. You don't feel like talking, you CAN'T talk,just "being" is a struggle... you want to die, you want to live, you want to be left alone, you want to be with people, but you can't do a damned thing but lie there in bed. It took a while to comb the snarls out of my hair after that time. That time really sucked. That was one of my worst moments ever. This is level that I experienced. What do you do as someone who cares? I did research it, I went to therapy but in the end it was all about her illness. I could do nothing, it sucked. It was like unable to fix something that you cared about. Then it just seemed like I was taking abuse. Oh man! I can't believe it. You've gone through EXACTLY what I've gone through these past few months...I had a recent breakup with my girlfriend a few months ago. She's manic-depressive. I also received an education about the illness. I thought that I could be her main support but I coudn't. I thought I was stronger than I am and it hurts to know that I'm not. It drained me and eventually took it's toll on our relationship. We would start to argue constantly until it got worse and worse. I started to feel worthless and that I didn't matter at all and that she would be better off without me. Everyone would. Ironically, I became depressed about our faltering relationship and had to seek help. Finding out that she was sleeping with my best friend who KNEW we were trying to salvage our relationship did not help matters. That hurt the most. I miss the old me. There is a part of me that hates knowing that I can get that depressed. People tell me that it's a learning experience. I could have lived without this lesson. I agree that meds are a pain. I've come to believe that my mind is the only thing that can truly help in the end or rather the belief the sincere belief that I will not be conquered by it. I won't ignore it, but rather face it head on. Thanks for letting me vent everyone. This feels good. You have no idea. Hey no problem, vent on. The meds had too many side effects. Sure we all get depressed but what I told her (when I had to end it) was as a person, you have to be able to change your perspective to see a bigger picture or the love from people around you. I know it's not easy when a person is clincally depressed but it takes being a fighter. Having an attitude that this will not beat you is perfect, kick it's ass! | |
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I suffer through this horrible condition called "getting over it." It sucks. I have to be all responsible and shit. | |
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IceNine said: Depression is not CRAZY in any way... depressed people do not sit around watching happy pixies dancing around our heads all day, nor do we hear messages from Tralfamador directing us to build homosexual robots to sodomize Republicans... we are just depressed.
People who view depressed people as CRAZY only add to the problems of those who are depressed, as they now believe that others see them as CRAZY and not just depressed. True, but people who view people who suffer from auditory and visual hallucinations, delusions, and crippling paranoia as "crazy" only add to the problems and stigma of those suffering from mental illnesses such as schizophrenia. These people can be treated succesfully with medication as well, and I'm not sure I see the point in distinguishing between these illnesses. CRAZY is not crazy either, you know. | |
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Muse2noPharaoh said: I think you are all so cool for being candid! I have several of my closest friends dealing with bipolar disorder. Some choose med's... some do not.It's never been a problem in our relationships but often I hear sharp remarks from others. It's common to hear what's the matter with her? To which I always look over laugh and say that's my Vic!
Their lack of understanding pisses me off grandly! Fortunately my friends are beyond caring what the public at large thinks. Sometimes I feel really helpless when one goes into hiding! I mean I can't get her to answer the door in this state. In real time i am viewed as a bit wild but reserved. So it's always a pleasure to pull clown moves to make sure they know i am out there and loving them and awaiting there reemergence! ( One actually pulls out of it this way! ) Another gets so pissed off she can't see straight... ( This is my very best friend! ) She knows that i do what i can live with all and all... No, I can't pull her out of it but I made my love known. I can live with what comes of it. I also set clear boundaries. So I have never felt abused. I accept that at times they will cross the line... It is not an option...We ignore each other for a few days.. then one or the other asks ' "are you done?" Inseparable again!
...And let me tell you in the last few years when the cards were stacked against me and I was face down... My friends were there to see me through. There was no end to what they would do to assure I was still standing. So yeah, The Road is bumpier but never boring!
I wasn't created for a serene life anyway. Here in lies the beauty of it. If you are reading this and thinking no way! That's cool too... To each his own. Get in where you fit in.your friends are blessed to have you 
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you know, it's only in the last couple of decades that
all these different ISSUES have come to the fore... C is right, back in the day, you were either CRAZY or oyu weren't. maybe things should have been DETECTED many years ago... but think about this. when i was a kid THERE WAS NO 'CHILD ABUSE'or TIME OUTS you got that ass whooped in public with a police audience. the crime rate was down, and gangfights didn't include guns. I'm glad to see that everybody is feeling better with modern medicine... BUT at the same time, ain't it deppressin to see whut they doin to your kids because you won't take the time to 'SPANK THAT ASS' and after you're done poppin your pills and shit, don't you REALLY just wanna live a normal life... i'm no better than you, I WENT CRAZY!!! diagnosed as a CHRONIC PARANOID SCHITZAFRENIC, don't care how you spell it. they wanted me to take LIBRIUM, STELLAZINE, AND COGENTIN. and for a while i did, HAD TO, or else but after 60 days i told them, SEE YOU IN COURT... whut i'm sayin is this. THIS WORLD is turning into a bunch of light weight people who don't wanna feel no pain, and they're willin to let the phamacutical companies take over their day to day decission making, instead of dealing with whut is really ailin you. NAD TRUST ME, i feel the same about them whom imerse themselves in religion... THIS IS JUST MY OPINION, everyone has their PARTICULAR story to tell. PATICULAR edit [This message was edited Wed Feb 19 13:33:03 PST 2003 by 00769BAD] I AM King BAD a.k.a. BAD,
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Words of wisdom from the King. At least, as much as I could deicpher. The thing about giving kids medicine that makes them happy is that they're being taught that drugs are the answer. | |
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