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Thread started 02/20/03 2:58pm

lovemachine

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The Bucks traded Ray Allen for Gary Payton today.

The Milwaukee Bucks have traded Ray Allen - along with Kevin Ollie and Joel Przybilla - to the Seattle SuperSonics for veteran point guard Gary Payton and shooting guard Desmond Mason.

Payton, 34, is a nine-time NBA all-star and also has been selected to the league's all-defensive team the last nine seasons. He will rejoin former Sonics coach George Karl, now with the Bucks.

Milwaukee is in Seattle today, preparing for a game against the Sonics Friday.

Allen, 27, a three-time All-Star in his seventh season in the NBA, is averaging 21.3 points and 4.6 rebounds for the Bucks this season. Payton is averaging 20.8 points and 4.8 rebounds, while Mason is averaging 14.1 points and 6.4 rebounds.

Allen's six-year, $71 million contract ends at the end of next season. Payton is making $12 million in the last year of a seven-year contract.

Mason, 6 foot 5 and 222 pounds, was a first-round draft pick of the Sonics in 2000 out of Oklahoma State.

The trade means that two of the so-called "Big Three" - Allen, Glenn Robinson and Sam Cassell - who led the Bucks to the Eastern Conference Finals in 2001 have been traded. Robinson was traded the Atlanta Hawks after last season.

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[This message was edited Thu Feb 20 15:26:24 PST 2003 by lovemachine]
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Reply #1 posted 02/20/03 3:03pm

lovemachine

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I'm definately in shock. I'm not sure what this means for my beloved Bucks.

I kind of had the feeling that Ray Allen's days might be numbered due to his salary and the fact that Michael Redd is a superstar in the making. Throw in the fact that Ray Allen has developed chronically sore ankles and I was starting to wonder if he would get shipped.

I love the Glove, but Sam Cassell is my favorite player in the game and I don't really understand how the Bucks plan to use two point gaurds.

The interesting player in the trade is Desmond Mason as I really think he has a good future in front of him. The only problem is that it will now be very confusing to listen to Bucks games on the radio with Anthony Mason and Desmond Mason on the same team. One of them is going to need a nickname.

Hmmm...Like I said I'm not sure how I feel right now because we just lost one of the premier players in the game and gained a great player. I guess I will have to see how it plays out.
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Reply #2 posted 02/20/03 3:06pm

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I read this column in the paper this morning and kind of snickered but apparantly he knew something we didn't. He makes some interesting points about why trading Allen probably wasn't as bad of an idea as it seems.

Prospect of trading Allen not far-fetched
Last Updated: Feb. 19, 2003

Michael Hunt
Milwaukee Journal Sentinel


For seven seasons, Ray Allen has served and represented the Milwaukee Bucks like few before him. The three-time all-star and soon-to-be two-time Olympian has willfully and joyfully played for the kind of low-profile franchise typically shunned by those of his standing, never complaining that his acting career or his endorsement possibilities might be better accommodated elsewhere.

The criticisms of his perceived softness and weak defensive play aside, Allen has distinguished himself in all other on-court endeavors. Off the floor, no one could ask for a better ambassador for a franchise or a city.

In his early years, he lived in an east-side duplex and indulged in the simpler pleasures of an unpretentious town. After signing a six-year contract without an agent, he bought a house in Mequon and became one of the few Bucks in recent memory to establish year-round residency. He has never embarrassed the organization with his behavior, and it's unlikely this market will ever see a more accommodating, thoughtful and truthful interview subject.

While everything about Ray Allen screams "Buck for life," the organization will one day be faced with one of its most difficult decisions. The suggestion here is that the Bucks, for the good of the franchise, should trade Allen before his $71 million contract expires at the end of the 2004-'05 season.

For one thing, the Bucks already have Allen's successor in place. Michael Redd is a star in waiting, ready to assume a major role when his chance arrives. Redd is aggressive, plays hard on both ends of the floor and shoots three-pointers like few in the league. He also has something Allen does not, and that is a bargain-basement contract.

Although Dallas caused owner Herb Kohl short-term pain by subjecting him to the luxury tax when it signed Redd to an offer sheet several months ago, the Mavericks did the Bucks a long-term favor. At $12 million for four years, Redd's contract may represent the best value in the league. But there's a catch: Redd can opt out after his third season, and he almost certainly will if he is not a starter by then.

To re-sign Allen would cost the cash-strapped franchise enormous money, starting at more than $13 million per season. If he stays healthy and productive, Redd would also be eligible for a sizable raise, though not in Allen's neighborhood by the labor agreement. Plus, Redd is four years younger than Allen, making Redd the more sensible investment.

Instead of the possibility of receiving nothing for Allen should he choose free agency after two more seasons, the Bucks could get a nice return for him, maybe even that elusive inside presence or a legitimate 24/7 defensive stopper. The Bucks tried to get that missing piece on the cheap with Anthony Mason, but as everyone now realizes, such a commodity will cost much more than the mid-level exception.

In a recent interview, Allen expressed absolutely no regrets in binding himself to the Bucks for six years when he could have possibly won more or certainly raised his eminently marketable profile elsewhere. "It's been nothing but positives here," said Allen, who did not discount re-signing with the Bucks when the time comes.

I have no doubts of Allen's sincerity to return under the right circumstances, but those options may not exist for the player or the for-sale franchise two years from now.

Perhaps the best for all concerned would be to consider what had been the unthinkable several years ago. Although the Bucks without Ray Allen might seem unnatural, it just might be the right thing to do.
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Reply #3 posted 02/20/03 4:47pm

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I think it comes down to the money. Plus they probably don't think Ray Allen's ankles were going to hold up, plus stay with them when his contract came up.
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Reply #4 posted 02/20/03 6:32pm

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Ray Allen DEFIANTELY has at least a 3 yr contract in him with a possible 1 yr extension. Ankles can be nurtured.

The money is a HUGE factor. Look at Grant Hill. He is going to have a hard time getting picked up because of his huge insurance tag along with the rest of the cost.
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Reply #5 posted 02/20/03 6:59pm

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:O Do the players get ANY notice of an impending trade or are they "told" once it goes through?? Kinda trippy to have to uproot your life so suddenly...
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Reply #6 posted 02/20/03 9:21pm

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Ray Allen is a Really Good Player but was Considered Too Soft by George Karl&there was no Love lost.The Bucks Finally get some Sack with Gary Payton there.GP is Badd&the Bucks Suddenly look like a Threat in the East again.the Bucks clearly got the better end of this Deal IMHO.the Sonics look like they have thrown in the towel for this Season.Bucks look Really Good Now IMHO.Ray Allen got Skills but is a Low-Budget Reggie Miller with More Overall game than Reggie but Not Reggie's Toughness when it counts IMHO.
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Reply #7 posted 02/20/03 9:25pm

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CalhounSq said:

:O Do the players get ANY notice of an impending trade or are they "told" once it goes through?? Kinda trippy to have to uproot your life so suddenly...
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I've always wondered that. I guess they know if the team is going to trade them.
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Reply #8 posted 02/20/03 10:14pm

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I'm shocked as well and kind of sad. Seattle is my third favorite franchise in all of sports and I'll miss Payton. I do like Ray Allen though. Still, I get the feeling the Bucks got the better end of this one. My guess is that Seattle wants to rebuild after this disappointing season and Milwaukee wants to bring in some veteran leadership to lead them to the playoffs and perhaps some series wins.
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Reply #9 posted 02/20/03 10:18pm

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Moonbeam said:

I'm shocked as well and kind of sad. Seattle is my third favorite franchise in all of sports and I'll miss Payton. I do like Ray Allen though. Still, I get the feeling the Bucks got the better end of this one. My guess is that Seattle wants to rebuild after this disappointing season and Milwaukee wants to bring in some veteran leadership to lead them to the playoffs and perhaps some series wins.
The Sonics are Soft-Minded for making that deal.
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Reply #10 posted 02/20/03 10:20pm

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mistermaxxx said:

Moonbeam said:

I'm shocked as well and kind of sad. Seattle is my third favorite franchise in all of sports and I'll miss Payton. I do like Ray Allen though. Still, I get the feeling the Bucks got the better end of this one. My guess is that Seattle wants to rebuild after this disappointing season and Milwaukee wants to bring in some veteran leadership to lead them to the playoffs and perhaps some series wins.
The Sonics are Soft-Minded for making that deal.


Agreed. sad
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