I apologize, but I cant watch it... Im not even going to try... But my question is Who was taping it and WHY?

tinaz said:

I apologize, but I cant watch it... Im not even going to try... But my question is Who was taping it and WHY?

The person filming that was a coward and wants shooting........No 1 steped in makes me sick!!

[Edited 10/2/11 18:48pm]

tinaz said:

I apologize, but I cant watch it... Im not even going to try... But my question is Who was taping it and WHY?

Everybody tapes everything these days. (fights are all over youtube)

paintedlady said:

scatwoman said:

Blah, blah, blah, homophobia is systemic in religion and most of the world's population is religious - to deny that is to deny that you have a brain

Homophobia is systemic with all ignorant people that use religion as an excuse... this is why homophobia can be found in ALL cultures with ALL people who have different religions. You assume these people are religious?? Hah hah ha!!! They do not have to be religious to kill people, ignorant atheists/agnostics that are homophobic will do the same. So please do not think ONLY religious people are capable of hatred like this.

But you go right on and allow these people to use God as an excuse... I won't.

Using religion/god as an excuse? God's word (lol) clearly states that gays should be put to death, i don't think only religious people are capable of hatred but most people are religious which is why homophobia is still so prevalent. I don't know why you're finding this funny either - the only laughable thing here is that you're trying to pretend that god's word (lol) doesn't include the instruction to put gays to death, you can pick and choose all you want but it's there in the doctrine. Anyway this thread is now about something else.

ufoclub said:

I think what almost happened here on prince.org shows how a simple mistake of misinformation can escalate into a "mob" mentality of triggered emotion. It seemed that misinterpreting horrible vigilante justice as a hate crime against a gay man was really causing emotions to flare even more.

scatwoman said:

paintedlady said:

Homophobia is systemic with all ignorant people that use religion as an excuse... this is why homophobia can be found in ALL cultures with ALL people who have different religions. You assume these people are religious?? Hah hah ha!!! They do not have to be religious to kill people, ignorant atheists/agnostics that are homophobic will do the same. So please do not think ONLY religious people are capable of hatred like this.

But you go right on and allow these people to use God as an excuse... I won't.

Using religion/god as an excuse? God's word (lol) clearly states that gays should be put to death, i don't think only religious people are capable of hatred but most people are religious which is why homophobia is still so prevalent. I don't know why you're finding this funny either - the only laughable thing here is that you're trying to pretend that god's word (lol) doesn't include the instruction to put gays to death, you can pick and choose all you want but it's there in the doctrine. Anyway this thread is now about something else.

Pure bullshit. My bible doesn't state that anywhere .... it is LAW that you shall not kill. The greatest commandment is to love one another.... its all in the gospels, books of Mark and Luke... they repeat that over and over since they know people are some dumb assed knuckleheads.

but many fall short and take few passages and run with them... and throw their own warped interpetation to the passages. The bible warns us of false prophets. That is people usuing the Word to justify their bullshit.... nowhere does it state that a gay man can not be loved and accepted by God.... NO WHERE...

not in the Christian bible. Yeah... there is one passage that states, that to lay with another man is an abomination... but that's not my business... God told me to love others and not judge them. That's what it states in MY bibles over and over.

So all this... "gotta kill gays, BS" actually does NOT come from the bible "VENGANCE IS MINE" says the Lord, it means we should leave the killing and dirty work in His hands, He'll handle a bitch the right way..... you can believe what you want to. But I actually read my bible and no where does it state I need to be killing anybody because they are gay, actually it states the opposite...

But again, that is just Christian doctrine... so do not come up in here stating ALL religion.. you need to specify. And actually I don't think Muslims are supposed to kill either.

I wish more people read the bible correctly. I am sick to death of the crap. BYW I find your blanket statements funny, not this situation... most -people got that... except you since you are on some sort of soapbox to knock all religion.

OH ... and dude shouldn't have been killed over stealing a necklace either... but I'll guess you'll blame religion for that too. Its cool since I will do what Jesus wants me to do in that situation. Because we all are just a bunch of crazy zealots. :crazy:

Oh and yeah... I cuss alot too.

paintedlady said:

scatwoman said:

Blah, blah, blah, homophobia is systemic in religion and most of the world's population is religious - to deny that is to deny that you have a brain

Homophobia is systemic with all ignorant people that use religion as an excuse... this is why homophobia can be found in ALL cultures with ALL people who have different religions. You assume these people are religious?? Hah hah ha!!! They do not have to be religious to kill people, ignorant atheists/agnostics that are homophobic will do the same. So please do not think ONLY religious people are capable of hatred like this.

But you go right on and allow these people to use God as an excuse... I won't.

Great point.

lezama said:

paintedlady said:

Homophobia is systemic with all ignorant people that use religion as an excuse... this is why homophobia can be found in ALL cultures with ALL people who have different religions. You assume these people are religious?? Hah hah ha!!! They do not have to be religious to kill people, ignorant atheists/agnostics that are homophobic will do the same. So please do not think ONLY religious people are capable of hatred like this.

But you go right on and allow these people to use God as an excuse... I won't.

Great point.

Wasn't Stalin (the great Atheist) homophobic?

scatwoman said:

Using religion/god as an excuse? God's word (lol) clearly states that gays should be put to death, i don't think only religious people are capable of hatred but most people are religious which is why homophobia is still so prevalent. I don't know why you're finding this funny either - the only laughable thing here is that you're trying to pretend that god's word (lol) doesn't include the instruction to put gays to death, you can pick and choose all you want but it's there in the doctrine. Anyway this thread is now about something else.

I'll assume this is a joke post...

PurpleJedi said:

lezama said:

Great point.

Wasn't Stalin (the great Atheist) homophobic?

He actually just banned male gay activities I my history serves me correctly, so he probably liked two girls getting it on...

paintedlady said:

scatwoman said:

Using religion/god as an excuse? God's word (lol) clearly states that gays should be put to death, i don't think only religious people are capable of hatred but most people are religious which is why homophobia is still so prevalent. I don't know why you're finding this funny either - the only laughable thing here is that you're trying to pretend that god's word (lol) doesn't include the instruction to put gays to death, you can pick and choose all you want but it's there in the doctrine. Anyway this thread is now about something else.

Pure bullshit. My bible doesn't state that anywhere .... it is LAW that you shall not kill. The greatest commandment is to love one another.... its all in the gospels, books of Mark and Luke... they repeat that over and over since they know people are some dumb assed knuckleheads.

but many fall short and take few passages and run with them... and throw their own warped interpetation to the passages. The bible warns us of false prophets. That is people usuing the Word to justify their bullshit.... nowhere does it state that a gay man can not be loved and accepted by God.... NO WHERE...

not in the Christian bible. Yeah... there is one passage that states, that to lay with another man is an abomination... but that's not my business... God told me to love others and not judge them. That's what it states in MY bibles over and over.

So all this... "gotta kill gays, BS" actually does NOT come from the bible "VENGANCE IS MINE" says the Lord, it means we should leave the killing and dirty work in His hands, He'll handle a bitch the right way..... you can believe what you want to. But I actually read my bible and no where does it state I need to be killing anybody because they are gay, actually it states the opposite...

But again, that is just Christian doctrine... so do not come up in here stating ALL religion.. you need to specify. And actually I don't think Muslims are supposed to kill either.

I wish more people read the bible correctly. I am sick to death of the crap. BYW I find your blanket statements funny, not this situation... most -people got that... except you since you are on some sort of soapbox to knock all religion.

OH ... and dude shouldn't have been killed over stealing a necklace either... but I'll guess you'll blame religion for that too. Its cool since I will do what Jesus wants me to do in that situation. Because we all are just a bunch of crazy zealots. :crazy:

Oh and yeah... I cuss alot too.

I think you think that everyone's interpretation is created equal. It isn't.

There exist words within the bible that tell people what happens to men who fuck other men and it ain't pretty. Sorry if you disagree with the words printed on the page, but it doesn't invalidate them simply because they are conflicting with other things in the bible.

Context and tense must be difficult to parse for you religious folks. Must make it very difficult to have a book you swear upon that both commands you to kill and declares you stay away.

I sure wish all religious folks dropped their stupid selfish religion and worried about actual human people. Here's a newflash: If a god hasn't stepped in and intervened here like he hasn't in millions of other situations where our gay brothers and sisters are mutilated for fun, then he doesn't fuckin exist. As if the science didn't already tell you that.

Gett off.

If it did indeed happen, that's horrible, but the video does look like a fake. I think this may have been staged and/or manipulated to make it more gruesome. No reputable news sorces, some odd discrepancies in terms of blood stain/splatter and unusually steady camera work for something that looks like it was filmed on a low quality cam in the midlle of a violent mob.

Hopefully, it is a fake, because no human being deserves to be treated that way.

insomnia said:

If it did indeed happen, that's horrible, but the video does look like a fake. I think this may have been staged and/or manipulated to make it more gruesome. No reputable news sorces, some odd discrepancies in terms of blood stain/splatter and unusually steady camera work for something that looks like it was filmed on a low quality cam in the midlle of a violent mob.

Hopefully, it is a fake, because no human being deserves to be treated that way.

While I've refused to watch this video, I've seen plenty videos of mutilation done with a steady hand on the camera.

Was just a couple years ago when a video of a young 14-16 y/o girl being stoned in the middle of town surfaced. Angry mob beat her up and kicked her to the ground. She covered her face and then a guy walked up and dropped a rock on her head the size of a medicine ball. Other than some residual twitching, she was done. The guy filming didn't have trouble keepin his cool and other people were filming it with their phones as well.

Either way, its not a surprising thing - this video. Religion has been used as a weapon for thousands of years and until its exterminated, humans will never know peace.

lezama said:

scatwoman said:

Using religion/god as an excuse? God's word (lol) clearly states that gays should be put to death, i don't think only religious people are capable of hatred but most people are religious which is why homophobia is still so prevalent. I don't know why you're finding this funny either - the only laughable thing here is that you're trying to pretend that god's word (lol) doesn't include the instruction to put gays to death, you can pick and choose all you want but it's there in the doctrine. Anyway this thread is now about something else.

I'll assume this is a joke post...

No, Leviticus 20:13 says it all.

Spinlight said:

paintedlady said:

Pure bullshit. My bible doesn't state that anywhere .... it is LAW that you shall not kill. The greatest commandment is to love one another.... its all in the gospels, books of Mark and Luke... they repeat that over and over since they know people are some dumb assed knuckleheads.

but many fall short and take few passages and run with them... and throw their own warped interpetation to the passages. The bible warns us of false prophets. That is people usuing the Word to justify their bullshit.... nowhere does it state that a gay man can not be loved and accepted by God.... NO WHERE...

not in the Christian bible. Yeah... there is one passage that states, that to lay with another man is an abomination... but that's not my business... God told me to love others and not judge them. That's what it states in MY bibles over and over.

So all this... "gotta kill gays, BS" actually does NOT come from the bible "VENGANCE IS MINE" says the Lord, it means we should leave the killing and dirty work in His hands, He'll handle a bitch the right way..... you can believe what you want to. But I actually read my bible and no where does it state I need to be killing anybody because they are gay, actually it states the opposite...

But again, that is just Christian doctrine... so do not come up in here stating ALL religion.. you need to specify. And actually I don't think Muslims are supposed to kill either.

I wish more people read the bible correctly. I am sick to death of the crap. BYW I find your blanket statements funny, not this situation... most -people got that... except you since you are on some sort of soapbox to knock all religion.

OH ... and dude shouldn't have been killed over stealing a necklace either... but I'll guess you'll blame religion for that too. Its cool since I will do what Jesus wants me to do in that situation. Because we all are just a bunch of crazy zealots. :crazy:

Oh and yeah... I cuss alot too.

I think you think that everyone's interpretation is created equal. It isn't.

There exist words within the bible that tell people what happens to men who fuck other men and it ain't pretty. Sorry if you disagree with the words printed on the page, but it doesn't invalidate them simply because they are conflicting with other things in the bible.

Context and tense must be difficult to parse for you religious folks. Must make it very difficult to have a book you swear upon that both commands you to kill and declares you stay away.

I sure wish all religious folks dropped their stupid selfish religion and worried about actual human people. Here's a newflash: If a god hasn't stepped in and intervened here like he hasn't in millions of other situations where our gay brothers and sisters are mutilated for fun, then he doesn't fuckin exist. As if the science didn't already tell you that.

Gett off.

I couldn't put it any better than this so thank you.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

this thread is not about Religion!!!!

it is about how ppl r cruel and how they have no love or respect for life

its about a person that was murdered and tortured in the most horrific way

...nothing to do with Religion

i dont expect everyone to believe in God... thats cool with me, but dont drag Religion into this topic, just to make a point about how YOU feel about the subject of God

This is the most horrible and brutal thing I have seen in my life so far. Everything about this video is completely fucked up. The things done to a human being, the fact that no single fucking person did a thing about it, the fact that children were watching, the fact that this was filmed, the fact that this happens in this planet and also the fact that someone put this on the internet to spread this horrible shit (I don't think you should have posted the video either). Everyone knows these kind of things are happening, but videos with this kind of content should be deleted immediately. Of course, no-one has to watch it, but the fact that it is out there is already too much.

Please, delete it.

It is far worse than posting a video of porn! Is that allowed?

FuzzyWitch said:

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

this thread is not about Religion!!!!

it is about how ppl r cruel and how they have no love or respect for life

its about a person that was murdered and tortured in the most horrific way

...nothing to do with Religion

i dont expect everyone to believe in God... thats cool with me, but dont drag Religion into this topic, just to make a point about how YOU feel about the subject of God

It's entirely about religion because religion is the impetus used to justify the crime. Don't put your blinders on now that your status as a religious person has been called into question. You humbly support the beliefs of hate mongers and bigots regardless of the fact you allegedly don't agree with them. That goes for anyone else who wears a cross around their neck or go to church or crack that ancient tome open for inspiration.

The blood of our people, not MY people or HIS people but OUR people, lay sprayed across each page. It is, however, interesting to see so-called compassionate religious folks backpedal and defend their beliefs. You can't just create an interpretation that is meaningful to you. Religion (or the lack thereof) is not merely an opinion. It is a way of life. A teaching. A structure within a structure. It needs to be torn down and burned before it claims billions more lives than it already has.

The few religious folks who are truly compassionate will be able to continue their loving path whether a god exists or not. And I hate the fact that I can't be there on ~the other side~ to say, "I told you so."

Edit: for grammar.

[Edited 10/4/11 11:02am]

Spinlight said:

paintedlady said:

Pure bullshit. My bible doesn't state that anywhere .... it is LAW that you shall not kill. The greatest commandment is to love one another.... its all in the gospels, books of Mark and Luke... they repeat that over and over since they know people are some dumb assed knuckleheads.

but many fall short and take few passages and run with them... and throw their own warped interpetation to the passages. The bible warns us of false prophets. That is people usuing the Word to justify their bullshit.... nowhere does it state that a gay man can not be loved and accepted by God.... NO WHERE...

not in the Christian bible. Yeah... there is one passage that states, that to lay with another man is an abomination... but that's not my business... God told me to love others and not judge them. That's what it states in MY bibles over and over.

So all this... "gotta kill gays, BS" actually does NOT come from the bible "VENGANCE IS MINE" says the Lord, it means we should leave the killing and dirty work in His hands, He'll handle a bitch the right way..... you can believe what you want to. But I actually read my bible and no where does it state I need to be killing anybody because they are gay, actually it states the opposite...

But again, that is just Christian doctrine... so do not come up in here stating ALL religion.. you need to specify. And actually I don't think Muslims are supposed to kill either.

I wish more people read the bible correctly. I am sick to death of the crap. BYW I find your blanket statements funny, not this situation... most -people got that... except you since you are on some sort of soapbox to knock all religion.

OH ... and dude shouldn't have been killed over stealing a necklace either... but I'll guess you'll blame religion for that too. Its cool since I will do what Jesus wants me to do in that situation. Because we all are just a bunch of crazy zealots. :crazy:

Oh and yeah... I cuss alot too.

I think you think that everyone's interpretation is created equal. It isn't.

There exist words within the bible that tell people what happens to men who fuck other men and it ain't pretty. Sorry if you disagree with the words printed on the page, but it doesn't invalidate them simply because they are conflicting with other things in the bible.

Context and tense must be difficult to parse for you religious folks. Must make it very difficult to have a book you swear upon that both commands you to kill and declares you stay away.

I sure wish all religious folks dropped their stupid selfish religion and worried about actual human people. Here's a newflash: If a god hasn't stepped in and intervened here like he hasn't in millions of other situations where our gay brothers and sisters are mutilated for fun, then he doesn't fuckin exist. As if the science didn't already tell you that.

Gett off.

This.

It's almost laughably transparent how religious zealots pick and choose which parts of their books to believe in and defend and which bits to ignore depending on the context of the discussion.

It's a crying shame how all logic and rationale from otherwise reasonable people completely goes out of the window when "faith" comes into play.

Spinlight said:

FuzzyWitch said:

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

this thread is not about Religion!!!!

it is about how ppl r cruel and how they have no love or respect for life

its about a person that was murdered and tortured in the most horrific way

...nothing to do with Religion

i dont expect everyone to believe in God... thats cool with me, but dont drag Religion into this topic, just to make a point about how YOU feel about the subject of God

It's entirely about religion because religion is the impetus used to justify the crime. Don't put your blinders on now that your status as a religious person has been called into question. You humbly support the beliefs of hate mongers and bigots regardless of the fact you allegedly don't agree with them. That goes for anyone else who wears a cross around their neck or go to church or crack that ancient tome open for inspiration.

The blood of our people, not MY people or HIS people but OUR people, lay sprayed across each page. It is, however, interesting to see so-called compassionate religious folks backpedal and defend their beliefs. You can't just create an interpretation that is meaningful to you. Religion (or the lack thereof) is not merely an opinion. It is a way of life. A teaching. A structure within a structure. It needs to be torn down and burned before it claims billions more lives than it already has.

The few religious folks who are truly compassionate will be able to continue their loving path whether a god exists or not. And I hate the fact that I can't be there on ~the other side~ to say, "I told you so."

I would love for you to bring this up with any one of a number of openly gay ministers.

PurpleJedi said:

Spinlight said:

It's entirely about religion because religion is the impetus used to justify the crime. Don't put your blinders on now that your status as a religious person has been called into question. You humbly support the beliefs of hate mongers and bigots regardless of the fact you allegedly don't agree with them. That goes for anyone else who wears a cross around their neck or go to church or crack that ancient tome open for inspiration.

The blood of our people, not MY people or HIS people but OUR people, lay sprayed across each page. It is, however, interesting to see so-called compassionate religious folks backpedal and defend their beliefs. You can't just create an interpretation that is meaningful to you. Religion (or the lack thereof) is not merely an opinion. It is a way of life. A teaching. A structure within a structure. It needs to be torn down and burned before it claims billions more lives than it already has.

The few religious folks who are truly compassionate will be able to continue their loving path whether a god exists or not. And I hate the fact that I can't be there on ~the other side~ to say, "I told you so."

I would love for you to bring this up with any one of a number of openly gay ministers.

Friend, eventually you get to the point where you stop making excuses for wayward people. I have accepted that many gay men and women have been seduced by their need for acceptance. I understand that desperation is a powerful, self-fulfilling addiction. I would not turn any of those people away, but I know full well that despair has gripped onto them and no amount of fact checking or debunking could ever satisfy that pain. You might laugh at my words, but I'm being dead serious. The need for acceptance is STRONG in the gay community and it has turned a lot of our brothers and sisters down a lot of scary paths.

scatwoman said:

lezama said:

I'll assume this is a joke post...

No, Leviticus 20:13 says it all.

Two things:

1) The bible also says that murder is punishable by death too, so which is it? You can't have your cake and eat it too "Woman of Scat" (great name by the way!!!) (He who strikes a man so that he dies shall surely be put to death).

2) Do you wear clothes made of more than one fabric? Do you cut your hair or shave? There's a 100% chance that you do, that means you deserve death. (Leviticus 19:19) (Leviticus 19:27)

I don't need 2 watch a horrific video 2 know how fucked up this world is.

I won't watch it.

I know what hatred and cruelty exsists, why do I also need to subject myself to visually endure someone's violent suffering?

I, personally, have nothing positive to gain or learn from watching anyone beat or tortured to death.

Spinlight, I just fuckin love you man.

johnart said:

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Spinlight said:

johnart said:

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ScarletScandal said:

Spinlight said:

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ScarletScandal said:

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