TotalANXiousNESS said:

Serious said:

I prefer to be around people who smoke weed than to people who are drunk if it has to be one of the 2.

OMG don't get me wrong. I appreciate a girls night out haha were sloppy drunk fun every now and again. (Which these days only takes me two drinks and I'm calling my husband to come pick me up lol). Alcoholics are a different story.

Yes. Totally agree. Although in general I'm not really comfortable around people once they get past the first stages of drunkenness anymore. So in that regard, I do prefer to hang with smokers more than drinkers. Thankfully most of my friends at this point in my life only have a couple beers on the weekend. Not a lot of raging goin' on anymore.

I feel like I should add that I can appreciate a good sloppy drunk woman from time to time.

TotalANXiousNESS said:

Anyways were getting off topic. But it's Addiction period that hurts others. If you do anything in moderation (with the exception of like meth and shit like that obviously)

Anyways, any stronghold that you allow to take control of your life is bad albeit weed, alcohol, dieting, AHEM playstation, whatever......that is bad and hurts others around you.

I don't even know what this thread was originally about anymore.

I don't think anything we've been discussing has been off topic. These are the kinds of conversations that people who think weed is the same as smoking crack or mainlining some heroin, but alcohol is perfectly normal and harmless, need to have/observe.

MyNameIsPiper said:

Cerebus said:

Oh... well.... I'm super anti-gun, so that's probably why I didn't get it. Moderation or otherwise - I'd rather have grown up in a family of potheads than one filled with raging alcoholics.

Have/had both in my family. NONE of it is fun.

Sorry to hear that. I can say for me, personally, there would have been no comparison if they had smoked weed instead of drinking. I grew up with three angry, violent alcohilics and four passively aggressive, manipulative ones. It would be hard to imagine that they would have been as evil, nasty and generally fucked up towards me (each other and everyone else around them) if they had been high all the time. Because when they were not wasted (or are not, several of them no longer drink, but it took a suicide in the family to make that happen), every single one of them is (or was) a completely different person.

Cerebus said:

MyNameIsPiper said:

Have/had both in my family. NONE of it is fun.

Sorry to hear that. I can say for me, personally, there would have been no comparison if they had smoked weed instead of drinking. I grew up with three angry, violent alcohilics and four passively aggressive, manipulative ones. It would be hard to imagine that they would have been as evil, nasty and generally fucked up towards me (each other and everyone else around them) if they had been high all the time. Because when they were not wasted (or are not, several of them no longer drink, but it took a suicide in the family to make that happen), every single one of them is (or was) a completely different person.

To me, it was like two extremes. The alcoholics were angry and violent, and the potheads just didn't care about anything anymore. I agree that they're completely different people when they're sober and clear-minded. But with any addiction, all of them became/become defensive and closed off when confronted about it.

Serious said:

davetherave6767 said:

Weed is just the start of a journey that will lead 2 taking other drugs....im sure there r people who only use weed but here in the u.k. weed always leads 2 harder drugs and a downward spiralling in2 the class A stuff....

I know quite some people who have been smoking weed for many years and never took any harder drugs.

Same here, but some peeps I know are smoking such a big ammount that they got senior moments very often. Too much weed causes severe memory lapspes.

i've seen many folks get to the point where all they do is smoke weed ALL DAY long! and become lazy, and not care about doing anything anymore.

MarySharon said:

Serious said:

I know quite some people who have been smoking weed for many years and never took any harder drugs.

Same here, but some peeps I know are smoking such a big ammount that they got senior moments very often. Too much weed causes severe memory lapspes.

Yes sadly that is true.

Fo all the people talking about the difference between weed and recreational drugs like alcohol, cocaine, crystal meth, PCP, and heroin, remember that the largest group of serious drug addicts are abusing prescription drugs like vicodin and oxycontin. And most of the people who get hooked on prescription drugs started out using them legitimately. They kept using because it effectively medicated their pain away so easily that it became a crutch for them or they accidentally broke the enteric coating on those pills which created the time-release dosage that it created a mad rush upon ingestion.

The addiciton is not a choice, it is a leakage and / or illness. In France - I do not know if it's the same elsewhere - who wants to heal can do, yet many people dependent (alcohol, gambling, drugs) have a "colonized mind", and this makes it easier government manipulation.

davetherave6767 said:

728huey said:

JerseyKRS said:

it's not that they can't make money off of it. They would make less if it was legal. Think of how many arrests it creates. That in turn creates lawyer fees, court fees, costs, probation fees, mandatory class fees....etc. etc.

It's all about the money, that's all it's EVER about.

Pills, alcohol, tobacco....go down the list........all legal and killing every single day.

Bingo.

I don't enjoy losing control.

Since I was always such a no one ever bothered to offer me anything in high school or college.

Getting drunk for me meant falling asleep, (plus I harbor horrible memories from my dad's problem with alcoholism) - so boozing never became a pastime.

Finally now that I'm an old man I tried and guess what...puts my ass to sleep. It makes me dwell on the shit going on in my life (not exactly an enjoyable experience) and then if I've taken more than one hit, it puts me to sleep.

So the sober life for me!

davetherave6767 said:

Weed is just the start of a journey that will lead 2 taking other drugs....im sure there r people who only use weed but here in the u.k. weed always leads 2 harder drugs and a downward spiralling in2 the class A stuff....

davetherave6767 said:

Weed is just the start of a journey that will lead 2 taking other drugs....im sure there r people who only use weed but here in the u.k. weed always leads 2 harder drugs and a downward spiralling in2 the class A stuff....

I tried weed in college decades ago. Haven't since touched it and I have never tried any hard drugs- and I was working in the fashion industry during a time when "heroin chic" made a comeback, I was dancing my nights away in South Beach and Milan, and people were passing around Ecstasy pills like Mentos candy. I think there are a lot of factors that will lead a person to class A drugs that don't necessarily start as "well, it's because I smoked marijuana".

alphastreet said:

Yes they are all potentially harmful and I don't agree with the practice of these substances, but if others want to do it socially, we can't stop them. And I find it silly how there are shisha bars everywhere yet weed isn't legalized? People say THAT'S good for you? It's still smoke too IMO

[Edited 7/24/11 8:22am]

Shisha is tobacco, it doesn't make you high. I'm egyptian, shisha is smoked daily in my house. It's like cigarettes but not as bad.

But I agree, anyways. I don't agree with legalizing street drugs like cocaine, heroin, meth.. etc. (You know what I mean...). However, I don't think weed is that bad. The only problem, I think, is that for some people it's a gateway drug which is definitely a problem.

Cerebus said:

TotalANXiousNESS said:

I was basically poking fun at the guns don't kill people slogan. I hate that saying.

Anyways I actually agree with everything you're saying. I think the world would be a much happier place if everyone who needed to chill out smoked weed......in moderation ofcourse.

Oh... well.... I'm super anti-gun, so that's probably why I didn't get it. Moderation or otherwise - I'd rather have grown up in a family of potheads than one filled with raging alcoholics.

I have tried everything except heroin and meth...only got "hooked" on weed.

The stuff that was really fun...LSD, Shrooms, Coke...I stopped when I started getting pissed if I couldnt get ahold of them.

Only thing I miss is LSD.

Only weak-minded people get destroyed by drugs.

StonedImmaculate said:

I have tried everything except heroin and meth...only got "hooked" on weed.

The stuff that was really fun...LSD, Shrooms, Coke...I stopped when I started getting pissed if I couldnt get ahold of them.

Only thing I miss is LSD.

Only weak-minded people get destroyed by drugs.

I will have to disagree with you on that one. I think that the people who get destroyed by drugs are people that reach for something that make them feel better in order to compensate for some sort of emotional imbalance.

alphastreet said:

Yes they are all potentially harmful and I don't agree with the practice of these substances, but if others want to do it socially, we can't stop them. And I find it silly how there are shisha bars everywhere yet weed isn't legalized? People say THAT'S good for you? It's still smoke too IMO

[Edited 7/24/11 8:22am]

You don't have to smoke it to get high . . . just so you know.

davetherave6767 said:

Weed is just the start of a journey that will lead 2 taking other drugs....im sure there r people who only use weed but here in the u.k. weed always leads 2 harder drugs and a downward spiralling in2 the class A stuff....

Show me any study or factual evidence of such an obviously fake claim.

Too many people smoke weed and never become heroin, crack, meth or addicted to other harder substances.

Weed doesn't always lead to harder drugs because for I'd guess most, it's enough.

SUPRMAN said:

davetherave6767 said:

Weed is just the start of a journey that will lead 2 taking other drugs....im sure there r people who only use weed but here in the u.k. weed always leads 2 harder drugs and a downward spiralling in2 the class A stuff....

Show me any study or factual evidence of such an obviously fake claim.

Too many people smoke weed and never become heroin, crack, meth or addicted to other harder substances.

Weed doesn't always lead to harder drugs because for I'd guess most, it's enough.

As ive said here b4 eye no adults that have shit themselves/pissed themselves smoking skunk then moving on2 coke.....when u c another man shit himself....o lord....if weed is eenuf then cool..but where i live its weed/coke/.......shit urself....lose ur job lose ur home....then die....Eye have no factual evidence xcept 4 watching my neighbours ruin there lives....Thats enuf 44 me 2 witness suprman..

johnart said:

Yes?

I think prescription drugs may be as big or even bigger problem than illegal drugs in terms of health and addiction.

They are not a huge cause of crime & violence, however.

Doctors constantly want us on some kind of prescription. They are the new peer pressure!

PenelopePaige said:

Tittypants said:

We've lost great artist to drug use! We're losing many friends & family members to it as well. I'm sick of hearing about this & I'm anti-drugs from here on out....

But I do wonder.......has anyone ever died from a weed overdose?

[....& no I don't smoke it either.]

from here on out? you should ALWAYS be anti-drugs. drugs are awful.

I've done plenty of things, but I always wonder how a person tries heroin or crack. Has anyone ever heard a story about these drugs that has a positive outcome (aside from finally kicking after reaching absolute rock bottom)?

Teacher said:

PenelopePaige said:

from here on out? you should ALWAYS be anti-drugs. drugs are awful.

Do either of you smoke cigarettes or drink any kind of alcohol?

Tittypants said:

We've lost great artist to drug use! We're losing many friends & family members to it as well. I'm sick of hearing about this & I'm anti-drugs from here on out....

But I do wonder.......has anyone ever died from a weed overdose?

[....& no I don't smoke it either.]

Only when they washed it down with alchohol and got behind the wheel of a car and decided to drive 100 miles per hour into oncoming traffic. Other than that, weed just ruins boy sperm and makes you fat and paranoid...when used in excess.

NDRU said:

I've done plenty of things, but I always wonder how a person tries heroin or crack. Has anyone ever heard a story about these drugs that has a positive outcome (aside from finally kicking after reaching absolute rock bottom)?

No. Never. Not once. Saw everything other than weed do huge amounts of harm to people. Even people who I thought were very strong and in control of their own actions. Heroin and speed both took more people out of my life than I care to remember.

And I tried heroin because somebody handed me a piece of foil, a bic pen and a lighter. I never even questioned it, which was often the case in those days. Thankfully I didn't like it at all. Didn't like opium, either. I don't mind being slightly cloudy, but I have no desire to be unconcious or unaware. Those kind of drugs do nothing for me. Crack, eh, never done crack. But I certainly smoked some coke back then. That wasn't really my thing, either. Too expensive, hard to get and I don't like the numb. Speed, on the other hand, Cerebus liked that. But for whatever reason I have the, "eh, I'm done with that now" gene and I quit all that shit before I was 25.