DesireeNevermind said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

There would be all kinds of hell if I came in contact with a situation like this. That poor beautiful child. Such suffering and horror and my heart goes out to her. This woman is obviously mentally ill and it's shit like this that makes me say SO FUCKING WHAT she's ill. she certainly aint killing herself she's so sick so fuck her. My compassion is empty for this woman.

Isn't it amazing how even the most severely mentally ill person (allegedly in her case) will preserve their own life yet torture and end the life of a child? I think this woman was evil. Some folk know how to play crazy.

Well, no. But.

People really need to check themselves before they go spouting off about things like mental illness they obviously have no understanding of.

I'm not condoning this person's treatment of their child (or, for that matter, the obvious neglect on the part of child servces) but it is never that goddamned simple.

shortnsweet said:

I wish I had enough money to rescue all the babies that will go through this before it happens.......I was at a resturant once and this "crack head" come in w/ her 3 year old on her hip begging for a beer because she had told the owner who was stealing from him.

The cops come in to get a report from her and out of her mouth she says "that kids parents shoulda whipped his ass like I do mine. I enjoy whipping my kids asses". I'm standing there waiting for this cop to do/say something and he just goes on w/ his normal questioning. She gets her beer and all I could do was think I could take that child and run and she probably wouldn't even care.........I was depressed the whole day and think of that boy often. I hope to God someone rescues him one day.

And how many people right here on the Org have advocated "old school" parenting, or "whipping" their kids' asses?

It's a fine line between so-called discipline and straight out abuse, and where do you draw it?

meow85 said:

DesireeNevermind said:

Isn't it amazing how even the most severely mentally ill person (allegedly in her case) will preserve their own life yet torture and end the life of a child? I think this woman was evil. Some folk know how to play crazy.

Well, no. But.

People really need to check themselves before they go spouting off about things like mental illness they obviously have no understanding of.

I'm not condoning this person's treatment of their child (or, for that matter, the obvious neglect on the part of child servces) but it is never that goddamned simple.

well, it's kind of understandable to go off on her because of the obvious suffering that the kid went through, but I have to say I think you are right. We can't judge her with our own values, because she is obviously not operating under the same set of rules as us.

The people that really messed up are the sane ones who missed that this was going on or just refused to see the signs.

NDRU said:

meow85 said:

Well, no. But.

People really need to check themselves before they go spouting off about things like mental illness they obviously have no understanding of.

I'm not condoning this person's treatment of their child (or, for that matter, the obvious neglect on the part of child servces) but it is never that goddamned simple.

well, it's kind of understandable to go off on her because of the obvious suffering that the kid went through, but I have to say I think you are right. We can't judge her with our own values, because she is obviously not operating under the same set of rules as us.

The people that really messed up are the sane ones who missed that this was going on or just refused to see the signs.

Situations like this, I place more blame on the social worker/s who should have seen something was up. It's one thing if the family had never been in the system, but they were and so someone should have noticed a problem and got that child and her siblings out ASAP. A person who does something like that is not going to otherwise appear normal and stable and sane. You'd be able to tell there's something wrong.

Another baby lost. The system is broken.

meow85 said:

shortnsweet said:

I wish I had enough money to rescue all the babies that will go through this before it happens.......I was at a resturant once and this "crack head" come in w/ her 3 year old on her hip begging for a beer because she had told the owner who was stealing from him.

The cops come in to get a report from her and out of her mouth she says "that kids parents shoulda whipped his ass like I do mine. I enjoy whipping my kids asses". I'm standing there waiting for this cop to do/say something and he just goes on w/ his normal questioning. She gets her beer and all I could do was think I could take that child and run and she probably wouldn't even care.........I was depressed the whole day and think of that boy often. I hope to God someone rescues him one day.

And how many people right here on the Org have advocated "old school" parenting, or "whipping" their kids' asses?

It's a fine line between so-called discipline and straight out abuse, and where do you draw it?

I'll tap an ass for naughty behavior, but I won't tie him up to a bed, starve him, or break body parts. That's my line. Rational people would already know the difference between discipline and abuse. Crazy bitches don't have that type of discernment....

Unfortunately crazy people tend to breed like rabbits.

BklynBabe said:

meow85 said:

And how many people right here on the Org have advocated "old school" parenting, or "whipping" their kids' asses?

It's a fine line between so-called discipline and straight out abuse, and where do you draw it?

I'll tap an ass for naughty behavior, but I won't tie him up to a bed, starve him, or break body parts. That's my line. Rational people would already know the difference between discipline and abuse. Crazy bitches don't have that type of discernment....

Unfortunately crazy people tend to breed like rabbits.

Where's the line, though?

The problem is, no one can draw it. There is no definite legal or social threshold. It varies from parent to parent and that, IMO, is a very serious problem with corporal punishment. To one parent, a light swat is the limit. To another, a belt on the bare ass is. To the "light swat" parent, the belt is crossing the line. To the "belt" parent it's still okay. And to the "no spanking' parent, both are too far.

Every sane person, parent or not, can agree when it comes to clear-cut cases of abuse like this one. But this example is only an extreme. Obviously the line to be crossed for discipline to become abuse is well before that end, but where is it? And what prevents even a sane, loving parent from crossing it if we don't know where it is?

meow85 said:

BklynBabe said:

I'll tap an ass for naughty behavior, but I won't tie him up to a bed, starve him, or break body parts. That's my line. Rational people would already know the difference between discipline and abuse. Crazy bitches don't have that type of discernment....

Unfortunately crazy people tend to breed like rabbits.

Where's the line, though?

The problem is, no one can draw it. There is no definite legal or social threshold. It varies from parent to parent and that, IMO, is a very serious problem with corporal punishment. To one parent, a light swat is the limit. To another, a belt on the bare ass is. To the "light swat" parent, the belt is crossing the line. To the "belt" parent it's still okay. And to the "no spanking' parent, both are too far.

Every sane person, parent or not, can agree when it comes to clear-cut cases of abuse like this one. But this example is only an extreme. Obviously the line to be crossed for discipline to become abuse is well before that end, but where is it? And what prevents even a sane, loving parent from crossing it if we don't know where it is?

Meow, if you truly "can't see" where the line is drawn, then by all means please do not EVER resort to corporal punishment.

Also, lay off of alcohol. At some point there will come a time where you'd need to "see the line" between casual drinking and full-fledged alcoholism. As a child of an alcoholic father, I can tell you that it's a horrific thing to have to deal with as a child, even if he was a "happy drunk".

And please never pick up a joint. Or watch a porno flick. And you might want to stay out of the Ocean lest you wind up swimming halfway to Greenland.

I dont mean to sound sarcastic, but I'm trying to prove a point. I always hear the argument about "where do you cross the line?". That is an argument that can be applied to ANYTHING in life. It's your job as an adult human being to find where that line is, and NOT cross it. If you cannot, and you or your loved ones suffer as a result, then by all means discontinue that act. That goes for spanking, drinking, surfing, and eating cheeseburgers. [More children-turned-adults die of overeating (obesity) than from corporal punishment. Where is the opposition to the abuse of overfeeding fat children?]

The abuse of children is the cruelist form of evil.

That woman should be reincarnated as a fur farm mink OVER AND OVER AGAIN!

Stories like these sadden me so. You can't save everyone and it's so sad this poor innocent child had this terrible terrible experience in this life. All we can do is pray. Pray every day for the souls of these children passed and for the lives of the ones here on Earth that are going through this or will one day. Also, for the compassion to be installed in the hearts of those who are behind these unspeakable crimes. It is beyond my understanding how anyone could treat another so cruel especially that of their own flesh and blood.........

From reading the whole story, it sounds to me like the bitch who gave birth to that girl and her two siblings is a crack head and something should have been done when one of her other children tested positive for drugs, at birth.

A whole lot of people failed that poor child and are all responsible for her tragic life and horrible death.

Lisa10 said:

Poor little girl.

Reading stuff like this makes me want to go and hug my children.

Reading stuff like this makes me wanna go medieval on someone...the fact that things like this happen all over the world on a daily basis makes me sick...how long did this go on before this little girl passed away? Trying to imagine her struggle to survive simply makes my heart ache...

There is a special place in hell for people who do these types of things to defenseless babies...

NDRU said:

meow85 said:

Well, no. But.

People really need to check themselves before they go spouting off about things like mental illness they obviously have no understanding of.

I'm not condoning this person's treatment of their child (or, for that matter, the obvious neglect on the part of child servces) but it is never that goddamned simple.

well, it's kind of understandable to go off on her because of the obvious suffering that the kid went through, but I have to say I think you are right. We can't judge her with our own values, because she is obviously not operating under the same set of rules as us.

The people that really messed up are the sane ones who missed that this was going on or just refused to see the signs.

and she needs to be locked the fuck up mentally ill and all.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

NDRU said:

well, it's kind of understandable to go off on her because of the obvious suffering that the kid went through, but I have to say I think you are right. We can't judge her with our own values, because she is obviously not operating under the same set of rules as us.

The people that really messed up are the sane ones who missed that this was going on or just refused to see the signs.

and she needs to be locked the fuck up mentally ill and all.

no argument there!

shootindabreeze said:

Lisa10 said:

Poor little girl.

Reading stuff like this makes me want to go and hug my children.

Reading stuff like this makes me wanna go medieval on someone...the fact that things like this happen all over the world on a daily basis makes me sick...how long did this go on before this little girl passed away? Trying to imagine her struggle to survive simply makes my heart ache...

There is a special place in hell for people who do these types of things to defenseless babies...

But there should be an even MORE "special" place for these sickos here on earth.

PurpleJedi said:

meow85 said:

Where's the line, though?

The problem is, no one can draw it. There is no definite legal or social threshold. It varies from parent to parent and that, IMO, is a very serious problem with corporal punishment. To one parent, a light swat is the limit. To another, a belt on the bare ass is. To the "light swat" parent, the belt is crossing the line. To the "belt" parent it's still okay. And to the "no spanking' parent, both are too far.

Every sane person, parent or not, can agree when it comes to clear-cut cases of abuse like this one. But this example is only an extreme. Obviously the line to be crossed for discipline to become abuse is well before that end, but where is it? And what prevents even a sane, loving parent from crossing it if we don't know where it is?

Meow, if you truly "can't see" where the line is drawn, then by all means please do not EVER resort to corporal punishment.

Also, lay off of alcohol. At some point there will come a time where you'd need to "see the line" between casual drinking and full-fledged alcoholism. As a child of an alcoholic father, I can tell you that it's a horrific thing to have to deal with as a child, even if he was a "happy drunk".

And please never pick up a joint. Or watch a porno flick. And you might want to stay out of the Ocean lest you wind up swimming halfway to Greenland.

I dont mean to sound sarcastic, but I'm trying to prove a point. I always hear the argument about "where do you cross the line?". That is an argument that can be applied to ANYTHING in life. It's your job as an adult human being to find where that line is, and NOT cross it. If you cannot, and you or your loved ones suffer as a result, then by all means discontinue that act. That goes for spanking, drinking, surfing, and eating cheeseburgers. [More children-turned-adults die of overeating (obesity) than from corporal punishment. Where is the opposition to the abuse of overfeeding fat children?]

Oh, come on.

I would never hit a child. I was not raised in an environment where adults believed it was necessary or appropriate to raise a hand toward those smaller and weaker than them, for any reason.

My point is, that there is no accepted social or legal definition of what constitutes the line between "legitimate" physical punishment and actual abuse. I find it incredibly unlikely that there have never been situations where loving, well-meaning parents have not overstepped boundaries simply because we have never come to an agreement as to what or where that line is. You claim any reasonable adult should know where to draw the line, but how is it that individuals can apparently discern appropriate force when collectives of individuals (society and the courts) have never been able to?

Fact is, there is no compelling evidence that physical punishment is any more effective, short-term or long-term, than any other punishment methods. There's no actual reason to do it.

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

From reading the whole story, it sounds to me like the bitch who gave birth to that girl and her two siblings is a crack head and something should have been done when one of her other children tested positive for drugs, at birth.

A whole lot of people failed that poor child and are all responsible for her tragic life and horrible death.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

NDRU said:

well, it's kind of understandable to go off on her because of the obvious suffering that the kid went through, but I have to say I think you are right. We can't judge her with our own values, because she is obviously not operating under the same set of rules as us.

The people that really messed up are the sane ones who missed that this was going on or just refused to see the signs.

and she needs to be locked the fuck up mentally ill and all.

And if there are genuine mental health issues at hand, what good is that going to do? People who commit these kinds of horrific crimes often have no concept of right and wrong. Punishment of some kind is obviously in order, but it would need to be in something like a high security mental health unit for those who have committed crimes, rather than a conventional prison. Believe me, she'd still be locked up.

meow85 said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

and she needs to be locked the fuck up mentally ill and all.

And if there are genuine mental health issues at hand, what good is that going to do? People who commit these kinds of horrific crimes often have no concept of right and wrong. Punishment of some kind is obviously in order, but it would need to be in something like a high security mental health unit for those who have committed crimes, rather than a conventional prison. Believe me, she'd still be locked up.

It would keep her depraved mind off the streets so she cannot torture another living being. She might have no concept of right and wrong but she has enough of a concept not to do that to herself. crazy or not, lock her ass up. I have about zero sympathy for the insane because they nearly ALWAYS know how to take care of themselves. If she was starving along with the little girl, I'd have sympathy but it just wreaks of someone being sadistic and sick and I want her out of society so she can be crazy by her lonesome.