RodeoSchro said:

you can have a valid disagreement with someone and NOT fly a fricking plan int a building. I am thinking that SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy is not defending this scum just acknowledge that the IRS can do some messed up things to people.

I am not sure how this fits in with his wish that rich people like this guy to be savaged by the IRS but it is cool.

(I just wish he would have just killed himself and maybe left his family something)

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

No my friend, you are the one that is blinded. There is no over-arching theme of his letter.

He lists a series of personal fuck-ups that he blames on someone else, ultimately deciding that the only answer is to kill innocent people.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

bingo.

lazycrockett said:

don't agree with me, it makes me look crazy

OnlyNDaUsa said:

Hey, the IRS isn't perfect and there have been agents that have misused their power. No doubt about that.

But THIS fuckwad doesn't list a single example of that happening to HIM. He gets caught cheating on his tax return two times, and somehow that justifies (to him) killing innocent people.

Read his letter. This guy was a total fuck-up who NEVER took responsibility for his own mistakes. Instead, he blamed them on someone else and figured that justified murder.

RodeoSchro said:

Wonderful but I'm not talking about him, I'm talking about this dude.

Your comment was irrelevant.

lazycrockett said:

Same challenge to you - show me one single example of a point this guy makes. Show me one example where he did everything right, yet "the man" screwed him.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Well no one here is condoning his actions all anyone is saying is he had some valid points, except for Rodeo he's the one choking on his own bile over this.

JustErin said:

OK, well explain how he can say "Sadly, though I spent my entire life trying to believe it wasn't so, but violence not only is the answer, it is the only answer." and still be considered sane.

lazycrockett said:

Great, unchoke me. Quote from his manifesto even one of those valid points.

I have about 45 minutes.

Looking more closely at this letter, I do find it difficult to see specifically how the government screwed him over. Yes there are references to bailouts & how difficult it is to read tax forms, but that's pretty vague as far as his situation goes. Maybe he should have gotten a lawyer & accountant.

I might agree with his overall sentiments, but it hardly justifies what he did, and I don't see that he has a single entity to blame for his problems.

NDRU said:

Thank you for reading his letter closely. Only you and I have done that so far.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

I have read not and am not going to read it all, but I am sure he had or at least though he had been screwed over by thar IRS, Yet, as I hope we all agree, it would never excuse his reaction. I also do not think anyone here is really defending the guy at all.

No valid point he could have ever made could justify this reaction.

OnlyNDaUsa said:

Erin said his letter makes him look totally sane.

Please read his letter and see if you come to the same conclusion.

RodeoSchro said:

Other than resorting to violence and thinking it's the only answer, he just does not come off as a "Whackjob".

RodeoSchro said:

I do not care about the letter. Nothing he says is going to help his case with me and nothing in the letter could make him look worst than flying a plan into a building. But maybe when things calm down over here later I will read it.

NDRU said:

Well, I never said it did. I simply stated that he doesn't come off as insane by reading that letter. He just doesn't.

RodeoSchro said:

well, it's easy for some (me included) to read "bailouts" and "tax forms" and want to agree with him, but his examples are not convincing other than that spirit of frustration that many of us feel from time to time

JustErin said:

Isn't that kind of like saying, "Other than killing 6 million Jews, Hitler was OK"?

I mean, come on! You are the most non-violent person I've seen here, and this guy says violence is the ONLY way, and you don't think he's a whackjob?

I think you're just arguing with me for the sake of arguing.

JustErin said:

I never said you said it did (nobody did) but even though he's well spoken & intelligent it still comes across more as a general rant of being fed up with the system than a specific valid complaint.
[Edited 2/18/10 15:24pm]

RodeoSchro said:

I love when you get competitive

JustErin said:

Actually Erin, what you said was the letter made him look "totally sane".

I am sure you didn't actually read the letter because there is no way you'd call someone that says violence is the only answer "totally sane".

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Damn, this is better than P&R.

RodeoSchro said:

Where does "sane" mean ok? I never said the dude was ok. I said that I don't think he comes off as insane I think this letter is written by a perfectly sane person.

You seem to think that me saying he is sane means I agree with what he is saying. I never said that I simply said I do not believe the dude was insane.

RodeoSchro said:

Assuming just makes you look like an idiot. I did read it and as I said in my first post, this letter does not read like a letter written by someone that is insane.

JustErin said:

Much of the letter reads like an intelligent person ranting in frustration, but the end is where he basically says "fuck it, I'm going to kill myself and hopefully take some others with me." That does not sound very sane.

JustErin said:

No Erin, you said and I quote "Other than what he did today, that letter makes him look totally sane." It's reply #52 and it's on page 2 of this thread.

So are you saying that you read him say that violence is the only answer, and that he intends to kill people and himself, and that after reading that, you thought he was totally sane?

Really?

JustErin said:

You said "Other than what he did today, that letter makes him look totally sane."

Why can't you just admit you didn't fully read the letter before you posted that, and you got it wrong?

Oh, and this "totally sane" guy? Well, you know that house he burned down?

Apparently his wife and a young girl also lived there, because they said that was their house that burned down.

RodeoSchro said:

You're hilarious.

I did read the letter, the dude does not come off as insane.

So since you feel he is insane...if he somehow survived this and was charged I guess you feel that he should plead insanity and possibly get off because he was not criminally responsible due to him being a "whackjob".

Perhaps you just need to admit that you wrongly interpreted what I said as me agreeing with what he said, which I never once said I did.

Again, dude comes off as a perfectly sane person in that letter - not someone who is insane.