@ lace opera gloves

Anxiety said:

Vendetta1 said:

didn't he tell oprah that was female?

ehuffnsd said:

I was leaving that part out.

Vendetta1 said:

read some of those posts. it wasn't about disagreeing at all. i got accused of hate which irks me to no end cuz the people that use it probably don't know what hate truly is and what it has done to humanity. I got accused of trying to control Chastity's identity which I found outright stupid and ignorant- I don't rule the world. Then there were comparisons to putting on makeup and something about growing up on an island all alone from infancy which is even more idiotic cuz infants who don't have human contact end up being developmentally disabled! Plus poor desire200 was getting hammered and even got called dumbass by somebody on here (no bait snip for that) just because of her opinion. The whole thing was starting to take a nasty turn and being that I'm not afraid of any org mofo... IT WAS ON!

I have been told by others and see for myself that some topics are open for discussion/game on and other topics are meant to be one-sided ergo if you don't agree with the mob you get attacked versus being able to debate or voice a dissenting opinion. I call it a mob when you have this borg voice and the moment Picard tries to break free all the other borgs come to kill. Okay that was a rich analogy but I rather like it. Anyway, jumping down someone's throat, calling them names and accusing them of being something they clearly aren't and acting outright childish about something you have no input in isn't very Prince fannish, sensible, decent or web friendly IMO. Its wrong to say you want to be included and respected then turn around and exclude and disrespect others when it comes to opinions, beliefs, stances or what have you. Debate all you want but get the words straight, ask if you don't understand and forget the name calling.

At the end of the day Chastity Bono soon to be called Chaz doesn't give a flying butterfinger about anybody on here. We don't rule her world or affect it in any way.

p.s. on threads that deal with topics such as murder, rape or abortion I might be a little more lenient on the name calling cuz there are some whack asses on here. CARRY ON

ehuffnsd said:

yeah, something to that effect...and the girl is totally lipstick to the max.

DesireeNevermind said:

no you want us to kowtow to your point of view say it's ok for you to call a transgender person mental.

and no it's ok to call someone of my community a mental case no matter how you feel.
[Edited 6/11/09 19:46pm]

Vendetta1 said:

did that person die when he became a JW?

DesireeNevermind said:

I read it all and my post ot you has nothing to do with what anyone else on here said, just you. Not that you care, but I take issue at the things you say on threads about gays. At the end of the day, you apparently don't care but care enough to make a post and so I am not understanding why you feel "mobbed up" when people call you on it. Maybe people say stuff on threads like this because the Org has a huge LGBT that mean a lot to each other and other threads, we don't care so much.

DesireeNevermind said:

the way i see it, homegirl's alive and well. they gotta keep up appearances, princey can't be too butch.

ehuffnsd said:

Kowtow to my point of view? Really? So I'm supposed to kowtow to your point of view is that it? Your opinion is gospel? Okay, if you wanna Fine.
well since Desire2006 is female then you can't call her dumbass cuz I'm female and that is my community!

BSK3478 said:

he sure the fuck can't. not as sexy.

DesireeNevermind said:

i haven't called anyone a name, though you have to me,

i've stated on this thread twice to keep it civil.


i don't think you are. you have an attitude.


dyslexia edit.
[Edited 6/11/09 19:53pm]

if you are that offended by what john did than report it to a mod.

Vendetta1 said:

larry?

I called her a dumbass. Eric asked I keep it civil and so being it's his thread I respected his wish.
[Edited 6/11/09 19:58pm]

Anxiety said:

we need a "brain bleach" emoticon up in here.

Vendetta1 said:

Examples please. What have I said here or on any other thread that you feel is anti-gay. What have I specifically said that is an insult or hurtful to gays and different to what I may say about straights? What anti-gay thing have I said that is addressed to your whole community versus and individual? I really want you to think about this and answer me. Org note me if you like.

DesireeNevermind said:

everything you've said on here.

Good for Chaz

Now he'll finally be at peace

ehuffnsd said:

I reply with the same tone if you will that I initially get. okay so you didn't call her dumbass, that's good. but john did. so since he is part of your community and you are a monolithic group then when he calls her dumbass its the same as you calling her dumbass right? Well I hope not cuz I dont necessarily want to be part of a monolithic community and be responsible for what someone else says. what name did i call you btw? if I indeed called you a bad name and it was unwarranted then I will apologize.

also, we are going back and forth between civility and hostility and everyone is to blame on here. that is the truth, read all these posts. no one on here is being civil all the time. even if someone is joking, someone else is taking offense. And still it has no bearing on Chastity's life.

DesireeNevermind said:

You don't think your comments on this thread are addressed to our community as a whole? If I decide to change my gender, that would make me "koo-koo" in your book too, right?

There are two other examples of things I felt was fucked up you said about gays but I just try to ignore your posts as much as possible. I don't want you going after me like you and your friends go after Bria.

Vendetta1 said:

it's all right ivy she's done this in every thread about TG, she attacks and than plays the victim.

Vendetta1 said:

Okay this is where you and I disagree strongly. I view you as an individual FIRST not a community. So no, if I have an opinion on Chastity it is not the same as having an opinion on Vendetta anymore than you having an opinion on me is the same as having an opinion on Julia Roberts. It's good that you feel part of a community because its what we as humans are designed to do - commune, come together etc. But we also have to maintain our individuality. We are not all the same and one no matter how much we would like to be or even think we are. Let me ask you , if Chastity went out and ran up a bunch of bad debt or disrespected her mom or cheated on her girlfriend, and I called her mental, would that bother you? Would you feel as if I was saying the same things about you?


P,s you still haven't given me examples of what I've said that is anti-gay. We had a similar conversation in another thread and you went down the same road. Saying I said something but then not stating what it was. I don't think its fair to say, call someone a liar for example then not state what the lie was.

ehuffnsd said:

give examples please. and um no, i have never played the victim because I'm not one. difference between feeling like your right to an opinion is shot down verses feeling victimized. another word tossed around lightly but whatever.

Ok let's move along folks before this train oops thread gets derailed and sidetracked.

Let's stay on topic please. Thanks

DesireeNevermind said:

Yeah, you do play victim. You can make some truly nasty posts to people but when they reply in kind, you're being attacked or whatever.

And to end all conversation with you:

Your posts on the P&R thread concerning whether gays are gay because of sexual abuse, the posts to my dear friend Johnart on how anal sex with women makes men gay and your post on the Prince New Yorker interview.

Vendetta1 said:

Can you folks discuss/settle your personal differences via orgnotes rather than posting them on this thread, thus ruining the flow of discussion/debate on the topic = ruined thread.

luv4u said:

Negative comments towards gays are okay then?