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PrintableDesire2006 said: SCNDLS said:  Actually, in the US, they have to get YEARS of psychiatric counseling BEFORE a sex change is approved. No one does this lightly. So, what's your point.They need serious psycho help 2 come 2 terms with who they are as people and help in accepting and loving themselves for who they are!!!! I am 1,000,000% extremely happy 2 b a female!!! If i was a man then I wouldnt b able 2 have make-up sessions in Macys, wear gorgeous perfumes and make-up, wear beautiful clothes and shoes and bags, and a million other things that women love 2 do and only women can!!!!!  And you're posting this on a Prince fansite..... Facebook, I haz it - https://www.facebook.com/Nikster1969
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NDRU said: Genesia said: Okay, so...imagine that, feeling as you do, someone forced you to become a man. Held you down and injected you with testosterone so coarse hair grew on your face and body. Forced you to have your breasts removed and your genitals altered. Made you live as a man. For the rest of your life. No recourse. If all that happened, against your will, what would you be? Would you be a man? Or would you still be a woman? A miserable woman trapped in a man's body. Against your will. Without a choice. That is how a transgendered person feels. this is a good point about the mind set, the problem I have is that surgery doesn't really change a person's sex. It's a fairly superficial solution for such a deep issue. Maybe hormones address deeper change, but changing the appearance of genitals doesn't change their procreative function But anyway, if I have issues with it it's not really my concern. People should do what they want as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else. it doesn't change their biological sex correct but it does change their gender expression to be closer to how they feel. You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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Genesia said: NDRU said: this is a good point about the mind set, the problem I have is that surgery doesn't really change a person's sex. It's a fairly superficial solution for such a deep issue. Maybe hormones address deeper change, but changing the appearance of genitals doesn't change their procreative function But anyway, if I have issues with it it's not really my concern. People should do what they want as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else. Don't think of it as changing their sex. Think of it as reconciling the outside and the inside. true, I can see that, I guess what I'm saying is that surgery doesn't truly reconcile it except at a superficial level. But if a new pair of shoes can make me feel better who am I to judge? My Legacy
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ehuffnsd said: NDRU said: this is a good point about the mind set, the problem I have is that surgery doesn't really change a person's sex. It's a fairly superficial solution for such a deep issue. Maybe hormones address deeper change, but changing the appearance of genitals doesn't change their procreative function But anyway, if I have issues with it it's not really my concern. People should do what they want as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else. it doesn't change their biological sex correct but it does change their gender expression to be closer to how they feel. this does make some sense My Legacy
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NDRU said: Genesia said: Don't think of it as changing their sex. Think of it as reconciling the outside and the inside. true, I can see that, I guess what I'm saying is that surgery doesn't truly reconcile it except at a superficial level. But if a new pair of shoes can make me feel better who am I to judge? Shoes!   | |
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NDRU said: ehuffnsd said: it doesn't change their biological sex correct but it does change their gender expression to be closer to how they feel. this does make some sense sex is biological gender is social. You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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Lammastide said: Desire2006 said: RuPaul, or whatever HIS name is, should STAY as a male and DRESS like a MAN!!!!! I detest her, him or IT!!!!! Not that "he" or "she" or "it" cares, but you wanna answer my question? Can you?  Its like our Dame Edna Everage!! HIS real name is Barrie Humphreys, which proves that he was born as a MALE, and he keeps his original gender for the majority of his life, but he changes his persona when on stage and during other public appearences ONLY. Thats fine by me, but, 2 actually go all out and change your sex and everything is way beyond all comprehension 2 me!!!!! | |
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Desire2006 said: Lammastide said: Not that "he" or "she" or "it" cares, but you wanna answer my question? Can you? Its like our Dame Edna Everage!! HIS real name is Barrie Humphreys, which proves that he was born as a MALE, and he keeps his original gender for the majority of his life, but he changes his persona when on stage and during other public appearences ONLY. Thats fine by me, but, 2 actually go all out and change your sex and everything is way beyond all comprehension 2 me!!!!! Then why not just admit that you don't understand and move on. Why take it to the level of denigrating people who have experienced more pain than you will ever know? We don’t mourn artists because we knew them. We mourn them because they helped us know ourselves. | |
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Desire2006 said: Lammastide said: Not that "he" or "she" or "it" cares, but you wanna answer my question? Can you? Its like our Dame Edna Everage!! HIS real name is Barrie Humphreys, which proves that he was born as a MALE, and he keeps his original gender for the majority of his life, but he changes his persona when on stage and during other public appearences ONLY. Thats fine by me, but, 2 actually go all out and change your sex and everything is way beyond all comprehension 2 me!!!!! transgender exists on a continuum. Dame Edna aka Barrie Humphreys and RuPaul aka RuPaul Charles yes it's his real name are not the same thing as Chaz Bono. You have transexuals like Chaz who believe they are trapped in the wrong body. They go their whole life thinking this is and suffer much pain and heartarche over it. You have CrossDressers aka Transvestites that wear the other genders clothes for sexual reasons You have Drag Queens like Dame Edna and RuPaul and myself who do it for entertainment value or political reason You have Gender Queer they don't try to pass as the opposite gender but where it's clothing. You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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Genesia said: Desire2006 said: Its like our Dame Edna Everage!! HIS real name is Barrie Humphreys, which proves that he was born as a MALE, and he keeps his original gender for the majority of his life, but he changes his persona when on stage and during other public appearences ONLY. Thats fine by me, but, 2 actually go all out and change your sex and everything is way beyond all comprehension 2 me!!!!! Then why not just admit that you don't understand and move on. Why take it to the level of denigrating people who have experienced more pain than you will ever know?  You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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I have known one person before & after the transition. The strange thing is I never would have known it happened at all except for the name change, as well as the disclosure that it was happening. But this person didn't change who they were, just just some personal details. My Legacy
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Desire2006 said: Lammastide said: Not that "he" or "she" or "it" cares, but you wanna answer my question? Can you? Its like our Dame Edna Everage!! HIS real name is Barrie Humphreys, which proves that he was born as a MALE, and he keeps his original gender for the majority of his life, but he changes his persona when on stage and during other public appearences ONLY. Thats fine by me, but, 2 actually go all out and change your sex and everything is way beyond all comprehension 2 me!!!!! thankfully, the world does not require your comprehension in order to keep on spinning.  | |
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ehuffnsd said: Chastity made the decision to transition shortly after his 40th birthday
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SCNDLS said: Desire2006 said: Then these people need VERY SERIOUS PSYCHOLOGICAL HELP!!!!! Actually, in the US, they have to get YEARS of psychiatric counseling BEFORE a sex change is approved. No one does this lightly. So, what'syour point.Damn it....once again I get dragged into the middle of a controversy when I was minding my own business.....  "Always blessings, never losses......"
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Sowhat said: SCNDLS said: Actually, in the US, they have to get YEARS of psychiatric counseling BEFORE a sex change is approved. No one does this lightly. So, what'syour point.Damn it....once again I get dragged into the middle of a controversy when I was minding my own business.....  | |
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Desire2006 said: ....I am 1,000,000% extremely happy 2 b a female!!! If i was a man then I wouldnt b able 2 have make-up sessions in Macys, wear gorgeous perfumes and make-up, wear beautiful clothes and shoes and bags, and a million other things that women love 2 do and only women can!!!!!
.....Exactly the point. What if you were born a man but had the exact feelings and needs, wants and desires you have now. What if you were born a man but would still love to "b able 2 have make-up sessions in Macys, wear gorgeous perfumes and make-up, wear beautiful clothes and shoes and bags, and a million other things that women love 2 do and only women can!!!!!" . [Edited 6/11/09 15:19pm] "Always blessings, never losses......"
Ya te dije....no manches guey!!!!! I'm a guy!!!!
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ehuffnsd said: Desire2006 said: Then these people need VERY SERIOUS PSYCHOLOGICAL HELP!!!!! that's what they get. you need therapy for a year and signing off of two professionals before you start the transition 
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Sowhat said: What if you were born a man but had the exact feelings and needs, wants and desires you have now.
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Desire2006 said: SCNDLS said: Actually, in the US, they have to get YEARS of psychiatric counseling BEFORE a sex change is approved. No one does this lightly. So, what's your point.They need serious psycho help 2 come 2 terms with who they are as people and help in accepting and loving themselves for who they are!!!! I am 1,000,000% extremely happy 2 b a female!!! If i was a man then I wouldnt b able 2 have make-up sessions in Macys, wear gorgeous perfumes and make-up, wear beautiful clothes and shoes and bags, and a million other things that women love 2 do and only women can!!!!! I know you aren't asserting that men can't have Macy's sessions! 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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PANDURITO said: Sowhat said: What if you were born a man but had the exact feelings and needs, wants and desires you have now.
"Always blessings, never losses......"
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NDRU said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: I hope her mom accepts her and that he finds the peace he's looking for.  I like your wording of this though I might change it to: "I hope her mom accepts him and that he finds the peace she's looking for"  At least you can see I was trying to be concious! 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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Desire2006 said: CHANGING MY HAIRSTYLE AND WEARING MAKE-UP IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT THAN CHANGING MY GENDER AND ALTERING MY GENITALS, MY HORMONES AND ESTROGEN AND TESTOSTERONE!!!!!
So let me get this straight. What about the thousands of women who, against their wishes, lose function of their ovaries and uterus due to different diseases such as cancer or polycystic ovary syndrome or uterine cysts? Some of these patients lose hair on top of their heads, grow stubble (some full-on facial hair), become unable to menstruate or carry children--what would you say about them? Should they just 'accept' what 'God' meant for their bodies to do? Or are they allowed to undergo hormone therapy? Or the myriad of other diseases/situations that cause hormonal havoc for men and women up to and including full-on ambiguous genitals or transsexualism at birth? Are they also part of your God's fucked up plan? Oh shit, my hat done fell off | |
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INSATIABLE said: Desire2006 said: CHANGING MY HAIRSTYLE AND WEARING MAKE-UP IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT THAN CHANGING MY GENDER AND ALTERING MY GENITALS, MY HORMONES AND ESTROGEN AND TESTOSTERONE!!!!!
So let me get this straight. What about the thousands of women who, against their wishes, lose function of their ovaries and uterus due to different diseases such as cancer or polycystic ovary syndrome or uterine cysts? Some of these patients lose hair on top of their heads, grow stubble (some full-on facial hair), become unable to menstruate or carry children--what would you say about them? Should they just 'accept' what 'God' meant for their bodies to do? Or are they allowed to undergo hormone therapy? Or the myriad of other diseases/situations that cause hormonal havoc for men and women up to and including full-on ambiguous genitals or transsexualism at birth? Are they also part of your God's fucked up plan? God's gonna curse her parts. EARLY 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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CarrieMpls said: Desire2006 said: Why cant people be content with who and what they are since birth????
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INSATIABLE said: Desire2006 said: CHANGING MY HAIRSTYLE AND WEARING MAKE-UP IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT THAN CHANGING MY GENDER AND ALTERING MY GENITALS, MY HORMONES AND ESTROGEN AND TESTOSTERONE!!!!!
So let me get this straight. What about the thousands of women who, against their wishes, lose function of their ovaries and uterus due to different diseases such as cancer or polycystic ovary syndrome or uterine cysts? Some of these patients lose hair on top of their heads, grow stubble (some full-on facial hair), become unable to menstruate or carry children--what would you say about them? Should they just 'accept' what 'God' meant for their bodies to do? Or are they allowed to undergo hormone therapy? Or the myriad of other diseases/situations that cause hormonal havoc for men and women up to and including full-on ambiguous genitals or transsexualism at birth? Are they also part of your God's fucked up plan? I was thinking along the same lines...what about a baby born with a deformity? Often one surgery can correct a birth defect and allow a child to walk, or fix a facial defect, etc....shouldn't they just be happy with what God gave them or how God made them? . [Edited 6/11/09 15:39pm] "Always blessings, never losses......"
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Desire2006 said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: I hope you have never cut your hair and don't wear makeup and never grew older than a fetus  assuming you're a chick I do go 2 a hair stylist and I do wear make-up and I am growing older everyday, but AT LEAST I HAVE STAYED A FEMALE ALL MY LIFE AND WILL CONTINUE 2 DO SO BECAUSE THATS WHAT GOD INTENDED ME 2 B!!!!!
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INSATIABLE said: Desire2006 said: CHANGING MY HAIRSTYLE AND WEARING MAKE-UP IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT THAN CHANGING MY GENDER AND ALTERING MY GENITALS, MY HORMONES AND ESTROGEN AND TESTOSTERONE!!!!!
So let me get this straight. What about the thousands of women who, against their wishes, lose function of their ovaries and uterus due to different diseases such as cancer or polycystic ovary syndrome or uterine cysts? Some of these patients lose hair on top of their heads, grow stubble (some full-on facial hair), become unable to menstruate or carry children--what would you say about them? Should they just 'accept' what 'God' meant for their bodies to do? Or are they allowed to undergo hormone therapy? Or the myriad of other diseases/situations that cause hormonal havoc for men and women up to and including full-on ambiguous genitals or transsexualism at birth? Are they also part of your God's fucked up plan? So basically you are equating disease with being a transexual and blaming God for the mutations that may occur in some humans as they do in other animals? I agree with Desire2006 that a hairstyle and makup which can be changed on any given day at the owners request does not fall in line with this thread. Chastity is fucked up in the head IMO. She gonna wait all this damn time, having had all the resources and support groups at her disposal, to decide she want to be a dude? Excuse me...live as a dude? What if she changes her mind again after all is said and done? I think some people have issues that cannot be cured with surgery. Also, let's be real...gender cannot really be changed, only athestically altered. | |
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DesireeNevermind said: INSATIABLE said:
So let me get this straight. What about the thousands of women who, against their wishes, lose function of their ovaries and uterus due to different diseases such as cancer or polycystic ovary syndrome or uterine cysts? Some of these patients lose hair on top of their heads, grow stubble (some full-on facial hair), become unable to menstruate or carry children--what would you say about them? Should they just 'accept' what 'God' meant for their bodies to do? Or are they allowed to undergo hormone therapy? Or the myriad of other diseases/situations that cause hormonal havoc for men and women up to and including full-on ambiguous genitals or transsexualism at birth? Are they also part of your God's fucked up plan? So basically you are equating disease with being a transexual and blaming God for the mutations that may occur in some humans as they do in other animals? I agree with Desire2006 that a hairstyle and makup which can be changed on any given day at the owners request does not fall in line with this thread. Chastity is fucked up in the head IMO. She gonna wait all this damn time, having had all the resources and support groups at her disposal, to decide she want to be a dude? Excuse me...live as a dude? What if she changes her mind again after all is said and done? I think some people have issues that cannot be cured with surgery. Also, let's be real...gender cannot really be changed, only athestically altered. More Hatred! 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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DesireeNevermind said: INSATIABLE said:
So let me get this straight. What about the thousands of women who, against their wishes, lose function of their ovaries and uterus due to different diseases such as cancer or polycystic ovary syndrome or uterine cysts? Some of these patients lose hair on top of their heads, grow stubble (some full-on facial hair), become unable to menstruate or carry children--what would you say about them? Should they just 'accept' what 'God' meant for their bodies to do? Or are they allowed to undergo hormone therapy? Or the myriad of other diseases/situations that cause hormonal havoc for men and women up to and including full-on ambiguous genitals or transsexualism at birth? Are they also part of your God's fucked up plan? So basically you are equating disease with being a transexual and blaming God for the mutations that may occur in some humans as they do in other animals? I agree with Desire2006 that a hairstyle and makup which can be changed on any given day at the owners request does not fall in line with this thread. Chastity is fucked up in the head IMO. She gonna wait all this damn time, having had all the resources and support groups at her disposal, to decide she want to be a dude? Excuse me...live as a dude? What if she changes her mind again after all is said and done? I think some people have issues that cannot be cured with surgery. Also, let's be real...gender cannot really be changed, only athestically altered. Gender is a social construct. It's up society to to decide what gender and it's said roles are. Sex is biological. we need to learn to separate the two. You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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