SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

always!

ehuffnsd said:

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Of course, no offense meant

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

I don't hate her...I just think she's mental.

DesireeNevermind said:

at the end of the day, if it makes that person happy, what's it to you?

and if they change their mind and make a decision to change their gender again, well..once again, it's their life, their decision, what good is you getting all morally indignant about it going to do?

chastity bono has done a lot of good work for the LGBT community over the years. if she is now a he, i'm guessing that he did his homework and a thorough round of soul searching, and he will be even more of an amazing asset to the trans community from this point on.

i think a person's identity is sacred to that person and that person alone, because what else can we absolutely own beside who we are? how DARE anyone tell anyone else who they can or can't be. another person's identity is not your property to dictate over.

DesireeNevermind said:

i don't hate black people i just think they are an inferior race

Nikademus said:

gotfuckingdammit, you beat me to it.

ehuffnsd said:

fight fight!!! what else you got? any jew jokes? handicapped jokes? you really hate women don't you...admit it!

ehuffnsd said:

Not if they have cute shoes though?

DesireeNevermind said:

No, that's Supa.

Anxiety said:

now everyone can say they know of someone who is trans.

SCNDLS said:

Yeah, don't be steppin on my front porch or your ass will be sent to Mars!

SCNDLS said:

of course not! shoes are THE true sign of advance race

ehuffnsd said:

As Clarie (Steel Magnolias) told ya'll: "The only thing that separates us from the animals is our ability to accessorize."

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Oh shit, this kitten has claws!

SCNDLS said:

DesireeNevermind said:

How can you be so adamant in knowing what is right or wrong for anyone other than yourself?

Like Eric said, gender is a SOCIAL construct, like race. Human societies over the years have placed importance and value to gender roles. A woman is more 'valuable' and 'attractive', generally, when they act feminine. But traits like femininity and masculinity are not embedded in our DNA. From the moment we're born, we're taught how to act in order to fall in line; into pre-destined categories placed centuries ago in naive, archaic times.

If you'd been placed on a desert island after birth and somehow survived to adulthood there on your own, do you think you'd be spending your time applying makeup or doing any other mainstream 'female' activities? How would you define yourself as a person if you didn't know what the difference was between male and female? Do you exist as an entity any deeper than the label your genitals gave you?

Anxiety said:

What's it to anybody? Why is there a thread on it if her happiness is of no consequence? Why aren't you posting this to everyone? No one should care one way or the other according to your logic. When did I tell her she can't undergo gender reassignment surgery? How in the world would I have any say in such a thing? When did I proclaim to be the owner of her identity?

I notice that these types of threads (LGBT) are the only threads where everyone can't voice an opinion that goes against the grain and not be chastised for it. Why is that? You wanna play now? Interesting.

Contributions to the LGBT community or not, I still say she has psychological issues that won't be addressed with surgery. That's my opinion and I'm entitled to it and I DARE to have an opinion cuz this aint IRAN or AFGHANISTAN! You want to attack me for it? Go ahead. Says more about you than me.

Before I am black
Before I am woman
Before I am short
Before I am young
Before I am African
I am Human

Dionne Farris


[Edited 6/11/09 16:00pm]

DesireeNevermind said:

DesireeNevermind for Miss California

PANDURITO said:

Where's Perez Hilton?! We're pale comparisons

INSATIABLE said:

I will say it again until somebody starts paying attention and getting out of their head for a minute. I am not adamant about right or wrong here since there is no question of right or wrong. I voiced an opinion which is my right to do so. This is General Discussion right? Did the LGBT community become right wing nazis overnight? Is this perez.org or Prince.org?

Gender is not a social construct it is very real and we are all the product of a union between the male and female genders. Gender roles however, are a construct and have developed over thousands of years. Do roles change? Sure? So what does that matter with regard to a 40 year old woman who is daughter to one of the most liberal women on the planet and who has understood and interacted with the LGBT community for decades, who has had various outlets to express herself and help others, and who has had access to an abundance of resouces to do this surgery earlier in life. Remember she's had weight issues, drug issues, relationship issues etc. With that said, I think and am of the opinion that the surgery may be a bandaid for something more serious and psychological. And shit if you disagree then you just disagree! This aint WWIII for crissake.

DesireeNevermind said:

no one is trying to tell you you can't have your opinion.

i started this thread for discussion to open minds and maybe get people like you try to think differently.

all points of view are welcome so is an open mind.

DesireeNevermind said:

So, are you saying that this would make more sense to you if she had done this earlier in her life?

DesireeNevermind said:

It's your tone. Gays hate vinegar!

DesireeNevermind said:

biological sex does not equal gender

DesireeNevermind said:

Just wondering if maybe she had weight and drug and relationship issues BECAUSE she was unhappy being physically a "woman" and by having the surgery alleviates all those other issues?

DesireeNevermind said:

well, based on my own worldview, i think your point of view suggests that you have serious psychological issues. based on your rationale, you shouldn't mind me saying that, right?

now gimme some love, you intolerant, judgmental mental case, you.

ehuffnsd said:

It may not EQUAL it but you would not have gender without the biological meaning first and therefore Gender is real as I stated above and it is associated in most circles and defined by most people as either male or female. Gay doesn't equal homosexual but we have come to define it as such.

DesireeNevermind said:

what about hermaphrodites? Physicality is not the whole story.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

I think you're right. I admitted I don't understand it, and nobody jumped all over me for saying she'll go to hell for doing it. Because I said it nicely.