Between delusion, confidence and arrogance.....How can someone who scarcely knows themselves consider their looks or abilities great or excellent? Even if you do know yourself what makes you think you are as great as you say you are? Peoples opinions? How they treat you? How do you know you are not just living under some false delusion? Perhaps you are just a big fish in a very small pond and if you were to leave that pond you would not even be considered at all. So does that mean you will settle for the small pond where you are loved and revered? Or would you attempt to "Make it big" as it were in a larger pond? What give you the confidence or belief you are what you say or attempt to be? Who or what validates YOU as sexy, smart, talented ect..ect...? If you listen only to yourself as the judge of those things who is to say your not delusional....and would you care if you were? It wouldn't bother you to live life under an extra layer of false pretense? (since we all live under false pretense in some form or another). Is it a leap of faith then? Faith that your judgement is sound and correct? Some things like talent are proven by acts and deeds, beauty on the other hand as the cliche says "Is in the eye of the beholder" In some respects talent is also in the eye of the beholder....

On the other side of the coin what about those who have no or little confidence in themselves, but do truely have talent, skill, looks ect....Why can't they see this in themselves? Does it require nuturing from some outside source? If you can't see these things in yourself then how can you judge if someone else has those things?

So for as long as I can remember I have sat and observed the blurred lines of delusion, confidence and arrogance.....Having faith and belief in yourself and skills are one thing.....having unrealistic epectations and beliefs about yourself is another entirely....So I ask you are you confident in yourself and your judgement of your physical self and abilities? If you are is your confidence merely delusion? Or both? Have you questioned yourself about your judgement about your sense of self? You don't have to answer any of these questions just wanted some opinions on the matter....

Those who speak amazingly highly of themselves tend to, under the surface, be very insecure about themselves, and are hoping that by building themselves up constantly you won't find out the "truth" about how awful they really are...

Those who speak amazingly low of themselves usually want to believe the positive traits about themselves that they see but don't admit, and are hoping that you will see these same traits in them and will point them out to prove them wrong...

Confidence is accepting the things about yourself that you know need improvement and doing things to improve them...while also having the patience to know that the things about you that are truly worthy of praise will eventually be seen, whether or not you constantly give voice to them yourself...

Byron said:

Very good definition of Confidence.....Im curious to why people do not explore these things in themselves more....Fear? Lazy? The rewards are great if they come to terms with themselves....

I know I'm both brilliant and awful. I'm confident in my assertion of this and in possessing both traits.

perception is a motherfucker.

my take on myself is that i have no idea what i look like, what i sound like, what my writing is like, what i'm like as a performer, or even what my personal asthetic is like. i know what i see and i know what i like and i know how it feels when i think i've done something i can be proud of (or when i feel like i've done something crappy), but there have been MANY times when i have felt like i've put out crap and people have recieved it like i did something great. some things that i've written in the past and HATED, people have read and considered it my best work. then i'll throw something out into the world that i think is the best thing i've ever done, and nobody gives a shit. hell, even when i'm having an "i'd do me" day, everyone ignores me, but when i go out to get milk with my flock of seagulls bedhead and a dirty oversized jar-jar binks t-shirt on, you'd think i was the belle of the damn ball from the leers i get on the street. i don't get it. and since i just decided that i have no idea what i'm like to other people, i really don't care. i just do my best and throw my shit out there and what sticks, sticks.

Anxiety said:

Exactly!

Case in point: You probably thought yours was a pretty decent response to the thread, yet I think it's rubbish.

Fauxie said:

and you probably think you're witty!

Anxiety said:

Do you really own an oversized jar jar binks t shirt?

CarrieMpls said:

fuck. i wish.

Anxiety said:

I could probably sneak into endo's closet and send you his.

Anxiety said:

Indeed.

Funnily enough, when I do something really stupid, that's when people seem to laugh.

Fauxie said:

i'm trying hard to imagine that.

CarrieMpls said:

no, i'd rather see him model it.

Anxiety said:

Ok, so I admit I'm not in the habit of doing stupid things.

I was just trying to empathise.

Fauxie said:

see, i was there with you for the 'doing stupid things' part. it was just where you said it was funny that i was having to do the work.

Your level of importance.

Men
1. Wealth/Class
2. Fame
3. Talent
3. Height
4. Golden Ratio
25. Personality

Women
1. Wealth/Class
2. Fame
3. Golden Ratio
4. Talent
5. Weight
1000. Personality
[Edited 4/19/05 20:02pm]

Anxiety said:

I know it was a big ask, but if it's not true then your theory is debunked. Mind you, my first response on this thread was my best joke and nobody laughed, so who knows?

Fauxie said:

your posts make me cry.

Anxiety said:

That wasn't my intention.

damn, Sinister!
indeed within 3 months.
(& I was going to make a "smart remark" because I happened to see your "I'm turning into Starkitty" thread before I found this 1..)


I am actually going to have to "sleep on" this 1.
hopefully
I will come up with a worthy post of this thread.


yeah. for the 2nd time in as many days, Sinister you are taking your game
(& maybe even an unsuspecting .orger or 2)
up another level.
cool.

mltijchr said:

I was orgnoted by an orger who shall remain nameless to stop being serious....Who am I to dissapoint my friends I look forward to your response....I guess I will start posting more threads like these (im kinda tired of being silly)

God you turn me on, God I want you OMG God I think I love you


see what intelligent posts do...you get me all sprung
[Edited 4/19/05 22:40pm]

GUnit said:

Damn so all these years thats what it took!

Sinister said:

I think I love you - The Partridge family


I'm sleeping
And right in the middle of a good dream
Like all at once I wake up
From something that keeps knocking at my brain
Before I go insane
I hold my pillow to my head
And spring up in my bed
Screaming out the words I dread:
"I think I love you!"

This morning, I woke up with this feeling
I didn't know how to deal with
And so I just decided to myself
I'd hide it to myself
And never talk about it
And didn't I go and shout it
When you walked into my room.

I think I love you


So what am I so afraid of?
I'm afraid that I'm not sure of
A love there is no cure for
I think I love you
Isn't that what life is made of?
Though it worries me to say
I've never felt this way

Believe me
You really don't have to worry
I only want to make you happy
And if you say,
hey, go away, I will
But I think better still
I ought to stay around and love you
Do you think I have a case?
Let me ask you to your face:
Do you think you love me?
I think I love you!

Byron said:

GUnit said:

wow....I knew the Steve Urkel approach would pay off someday....

IMO, people are scared to question themselves
WHY???
Cause of the TRUTH
Someone who oozes confidence usually are insecure about something about themselves, but then again that is not always the case, some are natuarally extroverted people.
if we can all look at the good and bad points about ourselves with being too harsh and hard on ourselves we would all benefit.
Its an amazing experience when u can look at urself & take the responsiblity for who u are and admit to all the things u are, good & bad
Confident, Arrogant, Delusional we can all play these parts & more
it just depends how far we take them & how we implement them with our interaction with others
ok just my thoughts

269 said:

Very nice now we are getting somewhere...I agree that confidence, arrogance and delusion are all roles we play during life at some point...Seeing yourself for what you truely are good or bad is one of the more difficult decisions in life. Some merely acknowledge that "Yes I have good and bad in me, there I said it!" but saying something and truely realizing it are different. And it's the easy way out....exploring deeper into yourself is harder and few dare take the challenge....

Byron said:

That is a GREAT definition.
(((((BYRON))))