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it is all about perception....
I don't like this thread, i think we all display times when we appear to others these characteristics 
i also think it has more to do with the person judging another based on there beliefs on a whole and prejedices (i know its spelt wrong). i was talking to someone yesterday who said every lawyer she ever met was a wanker, lied constantly and looked down on normal people like her, she said they never give other professions there due and always appeared arrogant... my question would be is that the case or is she insecure and making her self feel better by blaming someone else for giving her those feelings. Seeming as i have had dealings with quite a few lawyers over the last 7 months and totally agains't anything she said have found them nice people and who didn't judge me or look down on me. I think it depends on how big the chip on your shoulder is basically and how you view others and yourself in society and isn't as straight forward as people are saying. [Edited 4/20/05 1:01am] |
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Sinister said: 269 said: IMO, people are scared to question themselves
WHY??? Cause of the TRUTH Someone who oozes confidence usually are insecure about something about themselves, but then again that is not always the case, some are natuarally extroverted people. if we can all look at the good and bad points about ourselves with being too harsh and hard on ourselves we would all benefit. Its an amazing experience when u can look at urself & take the responsiblity for who u are and admit to all the things u are, good & bad Confident, Arrogant, Delusional we can all play these parts & more it just depends how far we take them & how we implement them with our interaction with others ok just my thoughts Very nice  now we are getting somewhere...I agree that confidence, arrogance and delusion are all roles we play during life at some point...Seeing yourself for what you truely are good or bad is one of the more difficult decisions in life. Some merely acknowledge that "Yes I have good and bad in me, there I said it!" but saying something and truely realizing it are different. And it's the easy way out....exploring deeper into yourself is harder and few dare take the challenge....oh so true about exploring deeper into yourself yes its hard but the rewards are amazing i think the reason some don't dare to take the challenge is because of what they may learn about themselves and again its the TRUTH, The truth can hurt but can be healing as well. WHY SHOULD I DO THAT, WHEN I CAN DO THIS | |
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lollyp0p said: it is all about perception....
I don't like this thread, i think we all display times when we appear to others these characteristics
i also think it has more to do with the person judging another based on there beliefs on a whole and prejedices (i know its spelt wrong). i was talking to someone yesterday who said every lawyer she ever met was a wanker, lied constantly and looked down on normal people like her, she said they never give other professions there due and always appeared arrogant... my question would be is that the case or is she insecure and making her self feel better by blaming someone else for giving her those feelings. Seeming as i have had dealings with quite a few lawyers over the last 7 months and totally agains't anything she said have found them nice people and who didn't judge me or look down on me. I think it depends on how big the chip on your shoulder is basically and how you view others and yourself in society and isn't as straight forward as people are saying. [Edited 4/20/05 1:01am] Hello Lolly  
I see what you are saying but my focus is not on how others percieve you....The focus is on how YOU percieve you...Someone elses perspective is sometimes merely to gauge yourself next to your peers or someone else. My question was and is how do you know if you are truely confident in yourself and abilities or are you in a dillusion about them. How people percieve you is merely a measuring stick for yourself. I utimately want to know if people have considered the all the possibilities I listed in the first paragraph of this thread. clever clever quotation - attention getting quote - sad yet witty remark - look at me! Im deep quote- song lyric about my ex cause that bitch stole my mp3 player! - line from movie I liked - Prince lyric - not very clever sig mocking other sigs | |
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Yeah, i think i agree with one of your hypotheses, which is this idea that if you have confidence in yourself, then it doesn't really matter whether or not you're deluding yourself, because in the circumstances you describe, it's not ever going to be possible to know whether or not you are justifiably confident. Because all the many things you are confident about in yourself are not really objectively measureable.
So: yes, i'm confident in myself; yes, i'm aware this may be delusional, but i can never really know; and no, i don't think it matters that i can't be certain whether my confidence is justified.  | |
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TheFrog said: Yeah, i think i agree with one of your hypotheses, which is this idea that if you have confidence in yourself, then it doesn't really matter whether or not you're deluding yourself, because in the circumstances you describe, it's not ever going to be possible to know whether or not you are justifiably confident. Because all the many things you are confident about in yourself are not really objectively measureable.
So: yes, i'm confident in myself; yes, i'm aware this may be delusional, but i can never really know; and no, i don't think it matters that i can't be certain whether my confidence is justified. And there it is...That really is the only way you can be....I wrote this cause I think people really don't question themselves sometimes....I used to think of stuff like this so I decided to share... P.S what up buddy?  clever clever quotation - attention getting quote - sad yet witty remark - look at me! Im deep quote- song lyric about my ex cause that bitch stole my mp3 player! - line from movie I liked - Prince lyric - not very clever sig mocking other sigs | |
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Sinister said: TheFrog said: Yeah, i think i agree with one of your hypotheses, which is this idea that if you have confidence in yourself, then it doesn't really matter whether or not you're deluding yourself, because in the circumstances you describe, it's not ever going to be possible to know whether or not you are justifiably confident. Because all the many things you are confident about in yourself are not really objectively measureable.
So: yes, i'm confident in myself; yes, i'm aware this may be delusional, but i can never really know; and no, i don't think it matters that i can't be certain whether my confidence is justified. And there it is...That really is the only way you can be....I wrote this cause I think people really don't question themselves sometimes....I used to think of stuff like this so I decided to share... P.S what up buddy?
i'm good, fella.  keeping happy?
i broke my toe last night.  So now i got two big throbbing purple parts of my body.  | |
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TheFrog said: Sinister said: And there it is...That really is the only way you can be....I wrote this cause I think people really don't question themselves sometimes....I used to think of stuff like this so I decided to share... P.S what up buddy?
i'm good, fella. keeping happy?
i broke my toe last night. So now i got two big throbbing purple parts of my body. Well im always trying to keep happy but you know how it is....Dude I knew you liked Prince but to dye your (froggy doodle) purple is a bit extreme don't you think? Well at least you have a matching toe  clever clever quotation - attention getting quote - sad yet witty remark - look at me! Im deep quote- song lyric about my ex cause that bitch stole my mp3 player! - line from movie I liked - Prince lyric - not very clever sig mocking other sigs | |
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Sinister said: TheFrog said:
i'm good, fella. keeping happy?
i broke my toe last night. So now i got two big throbbing purple parts of my body. Well im always trying to keep happy but you know how it is....Dude I knew you liked Prince but to dye your (froggy doodle) purple is a bit extreme don't you think? Well at least you have a matching toe 
the whole purple paint thing's a little embarrassing at the urinals though. 
so you're only trying to keep happy? stay strong, fella. | |
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now i am confident that i am an incredibly lazy slob with great boobs but a big tummy and i rock in bed but i suck at expressing love and i'm the greatest at ...lying to myself about how wonderfully dumb i am and that i need to improve on my relationship skills though i am confident that my marriage is far beyond wonderful and almost sadly perfect ....
i am such a bombshell sex goddess looser slacker chick  | |
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See now THIS is the kind of forum that is worth reading.
It is sooooo interesting to read about various opinions! | |
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billyjackbitch said: See now THIS is the kind of forum that is worth reading.
It is sooooo interesting to read about various opinions! But is it sexy? Answers on a postcard sent to Sinister's inbox. | |
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Fauxie said: billyjackbitch said: See now THIS is the kind of forum that is worth reading.
It is sooooo interesting to read about various opinions! But is it sexy? Answers on a postcard sent to Sinister's inbox. Im afraid sexy threads from me are soooo last week... They want the Faux intellect side now clever clever quotation - attention getting quote - sad yet witty remark - look at me! Im deep quote- song lyric about my ex cause that bitch stole my mp3 player! - line from movie I liked - Prince lyric - not very clever sig mocking other sigs | |
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Sinister said: Fauxie said: But is it sexy? Answers on a postcard sent to Sinister's inbox. Im afraid sexy threads from me are soooo last week... They want the Faux intellect side now I see.
Um, lolly asked me to say something on this thread because she was going to post on it but just then her account was deleted so she didn't have the chance. Wait, I'll find what she said. It wasn't anything remarkable.
No, my myspace profile is down so I can't get in to see the message. I'll post it as soon as I can.
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p0pTart said this:
oh and please tell sinister on his thread my point about the how you see each yourself actually means fuckall
it doesn't matter how you perceive yourself because perception is subjective damn account ran out just before i was gonna post that
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NoodleSoup said: p0pTart said this:
oh and please tell sinister on his thread my point about the how you see each yourself actually means fuckall
it doesn't matter how you perceive yourself because perception is subjective damn account ran out just before i was gonna post that
or just say lolly said grrrr Grrr huh?
So your personal view of yourself changes then? So when your around someone else, or in certain situations you change accordingly? My personal perception is not subjective at all....I see my flaws and my good points and explored them deeply... I don't change when my envirnonment changes I am myself at all times. There are exceptions when I must "adapt" but my core remains the same. My perception or belief in myself is all I have...I was born into this world alone and will die alone....If you cannot depend on yourself then you are in trouble. For me it does matter how I percieve myself...it shows my progress or how much work I need to do cause Im all about self improvement. Knowing what I can and can't do and accepting them both...It is my tracks in the sand to mark my progress in life. Like so many things in life what works for one does not work for all....For you perception is subjective, for me my perception is a marker of my progress. If I don't care about how I percieve myself then I can't truely appreciate my achievements and what I have learned. clever clever quotation - attention getting quote - sad yet witty remark - look at me! Im deep quote- song lyric about my ex cause that bitch stole my mp3 player! - line from movie I liked - Prince lyric - not very clever sig mocking other sigs | |
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Sinister said: Something long winded
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Sinister said: Fauxie said: But is it sexy? Answers on a postcard sent to Sinister's inbox. Im afraid sexy threads from me are soooo last week... They want the Faux intellect side now  | |
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althom said: Sinister said: Something long winded
Don't you have a "Post a picture" Thread to start or something....or some question thread you don't answer until someone asks? clever clever quotation - attention getting quote - sad yet witty remark - look at me! Im deep quote- song lyric about my ex cause that bitch stole my mp3 player! - line from movie I liked - Prince lyric - not very clever sig mocking other sigs | |
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GUnit said: Sinister said: Im afraid sexy threads from me are soooo last week... They want the Faux intellect side now  clever clever quotation - attention getting quote - sad yet witty remark - look at me! Im deep quote- song lyric about my ex cause that bitch stole my mp3 player! - line from movie I liked - Prince lyric - not very clever sig mocking other sigs | |
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Sinister said: GUnit said: Stop it your turning me on | |
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GUnit said: Sinister said: Stop it your turning me on That was the point....  clever clever quotation - attention getting quote - sad yet witty remark - look at me! Im deep quote- song lyric about my ex cause that bitch stole my mp3 player! - line from movie I liked - Prince lyric - not very clever sig mocking other sigs | |
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Sinister said: GUnit said: Stop it your turning me on That was the point.... | |
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Sinister..
it even took me a little longer than I thought it would to come up with a decent response to this thread.. you put some good questions out there (e.g. "If you can't see these things in yourself then how can you judge if someone else has those things?") I'm simply going to put something out here.. & we'll see how much "sense" it makes.. Sinister said: So I ask you are you confident in yourself and your judgement of your physical self and abilities? If you are is your confidence merely delusion? Or both? Have you questioned yourself about your judgement about your sense of self? You don't have to answer any of these questions just wanted some opinions on the matter....
I am "confident enough" in my (physical) self & abilities. interestingly (or strangely) enough, I tend to perceive myself the way I think others perceive me, based on some sort of "societal" standard which ultimately - I believe - means or represents little to me. as such, I tend to "take shots" at myself - a lot. I do this because it's EASY to do (I am the most CONVENIENT target I know) criticizing myself & taking these shots at myself helps me.. not take myself too seriously. (I know a few people who do take themselves seriously & their lives really seem to be.. "uptight" to say the least.) yes, taking shots at myself helps me to be/stay "humble". every great now & then, you might hear me "talk shit" about myself - "oh yeah I am all that & then some".. but really.. if you hear me talk like that I am either obviously joking or drunk. I already tend to be a "self-focused" person, so as I evolve in this life I have, I make more of an effort to focus on others & on doing positive things for them. so ultimately, it matters less how I perceive myself &/or my abilities; what matters more (to me) is what I do for others. I'll see you tonight..
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mltijchr said: Sinister..
it even took me a little longer than I thought it would to come up with a decent response to this thread.. you put some good questions out there (e.g. "If you can't see these things in yourself then how can you judge if someone else has those things?") I'm simply going to put something out here.. & we'll see how much "sense" it makes.. Sinister said: So I ask you are you confident in yourself and your judgement of your physical self and abilities? If you are is your confidence merely delusion? Or both? Have you questioned yourself about your judgement about your sense of self? You don't have to answer any of these questions just wanted some opinions on the matter....
I am "confident enough" in my (physical) self & abilities. interestingly (or strangely) enough, I tend to perceive myself the way I think others perceive me, based on some sort of "societal" standard which ultimately - I believe - means or represents little to me. as such, I tend to "take shots" at myself - a lot. I do this because it's EASY to do (I am the most CONVENIENT target I know) criticizing myself & taking these shots at myself helps me.. not take myself too seriously. (I know a few people who do take themselves seriously & their lives really seem to be.. "uptight" to say the least.) yes, taking shots at myself helps me to be/stay "humble". every great now & then, you might hear me "talk shit" about myself - "oh yeah I am all that & then some".. but really.. if you hear me talk like that I am either obviously joking or drunk. I already tend to be a "self-focused" person, so as I evolve in this life I have, I make more of an effort to focus on others & on doing positive things for them. so ultimately, it matters less how I perceive myself &/or my abilities; what matters more (to me) is what I do for others. I love the fact we all have different views on how we view ourselves There is no real right or wrong....just a matter of what works for you or me...I enjoyed your answer I too take shots at myself from time to time...clever clever quotation - attention getting quote - sad yet witty remark - look at me! Im deep quote- song lyric about my ex cause that bitch stole my mp3 player! - line from movie I liked - Prince lyric - not very clever sig mocking other sigs | |
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