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Fans Scram on Pearl Jam
Apr 4, 9:35 AM EST

DENVER (AP) -- Dozens of fans walked out of a Pearl Jam concert after lead singer Eddie Vedder took a mask of President Bush and impaled it on a microphone stand.

Several concertgoers booed and shouted Tuesday night for Vedder to shut up as he told the crowd he was against the war and Bush. He impaled the mask during the encore of the band's opening show of a U.S. tour.

"It was like he decapitated someone in a primal ritual and stuck their head on a stick," fan Keith Zimmerman said.

Vedder used a Bush mask in Australia and Japan to perform the song "Bushleaguer," from the band's latest album, Riot Act. The song's lyrics say, "He's not a leader, he's a Texas leaguer."

During the show, Vedder said: "Just to clarify... we support the troops."

"We're just confused on how wanting to bring them back safely all of a sudden becomes non-support," he said. "We love them. They're not the ones who make the foreign policy ... Let's hope for the best and speak our opinions."

Pearl Jam manager Kelly Curtis could not immediately be reached for comment Thursday.

I'm now a fan of Pearl Jam fans.

Bravo for Pearl Jam

I applaud them for taking a stand and making their voice heard.And if some fans get offended and walk out,then so be it.Some things are more important than record sales and pleasing every single fan.No artist should have to keep their mouth shut,especially when it concerns something as important as a war.As for the weak,crybaby fans who can't stand to hear the truth.....they need to take their asses home and change their diapers!


Also,much props to artists like John Mellencamp,Lenny Kravitz and The Beastie Boys for releasing new anti-war singles on-line.The truth must be heard!!



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DavidEye said:[quote]Bravo for Pearl Jam

I applaud them for taking a stand and making their voice heard.And if some fans get offended and walk out,then so be it.Some things are more important than record sales and pleasing every single fan.No artist should have to keep their mouth shut,especially when it concerns something as important as a war.


I agree with this statement no one should be dismissed because their views don't agree with mainstream America.

well..as i said on this thread:
http://www.prince.org/msg...&tid=43454

with the political climate of late it seems we're not 'allowed' to criticize our leadership...

while i don't know how 'appropriate' these types of displays are during war-time, i don't necessarily think people should just pretend the love the president all the sudden either...

Two wrongs don't make a right. While Pearl Jam has a right to their opinions and the expression of it, they didn't handle it well. Pretending to decapitate Bush's head and putting it on a microphone stand is juvenile. I wouldn't have walked out, but I probably would've booed Eddie for that one...

I never really got into Pearl Jam, their fans, or President Bush...

seems i remember a thread just recently where someone who may have started this thread said he didn't like george w. bush either...

hmm..maybe it was here:
http://www.prince.org/msg...msg_642777



okay..i guess i'll have to walk out on this thread now...hehheh..

Hi man! I´m an English student thus I really like America. And I´m French and German! If you´ve been to school you might have heard of WW2 so you can realize how hard it was for my family. My French gran´pa could have killed my German one.. Politicians don´t give a dam about you even if you support their god dam war. People who fight in Iraq 12 years ago can´t work anymore. Young ones, to whom Bush gives no money to live. He is just a mad man like Hitler was. The history of Mankind and Earth (bombs actually do cause pollution) will stand for peace. So join this side, so your children will be proud of you.

Reports of a walk-out at the Pearl Jam concert were greatly exaggerated. According to many accounts on various PJ message boards, the number of walk-outs were no more or less than any other concert around the time of an encore.

It's a nice attempt by someone to play a round of Clear Channel MacCarthyism, particularly if it'll put Eddie & Co. in the same villainous ghetto as the Dixie Chicks.

Hell, poor Fred Durst is even hacking out "GO USA!!!" and oohing and aahhing about the bombs over Iraq on the Limp Bisquik fan site...wouldn't have anything to do with the new album they're about to drop, would it?! After all, he was just pandering to the peaceniks only a coupla months ago with his awards-show "I think we're all in agreeance" plea for pacifism. But ol' Red Cap's popularity is on shaky ground as it is...a little pandering can go a looong way at a time like this.

I hate saying "right on for Pearl Jam" cuz I really can't stand their damn music or the legions of frog-throated vocal imitators El Vedder has inspired, but dammit - he had the balls to say it's okay to support the troops and condemn the government, and whether or not I completely agree with that stance or not, I think it's a statement that too few people can wrap their heads around.

The whole impaling the Bush mask on a stick routine? Yeah, maybe a bit heavy handed and Michael-Moore-ish. I'd like to see dissenting voices measured with a fair amount of gravity and sobriety of mission, but hey - that's entertainment, I guess.

And anyway, what pro-war person in their right mind, who knew a THING about Pearl Jam and their sensibilities and - hell, even heard the lyrics on their latest album - would give a moment's consideration to seeing them in concert?

DUH.

Go see "What A Girl Wants" instead! They airbrushed off her peace sign - it's kosher!


(edited cuz I dropped an ism.)
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Shut up and sing "Even Flow"!!!

rio said:

did you mean me? i didn't start the thread. bit I don't like George W. Bush. i said so on that thread. however, i dislike "peace protestors" that don't know what the hell they're protesting and are fed their information by shady groups with ties to Milosevic and the N. Korean gov't even more.

if anyone were to take a mask of the president, any president, and impale it with a mic stand, i would boo and walk out. it's ugly. it says nothing meaningful. it makes no point. it's inflammatory for the sake of being inflammatory, and to draw attention/applause. it backfired. i'm glad. i'm glad that Pearl Jam has the freedom of speech to do what they did. i'm also glad, however, that the audience has the freedom of speech to boo them when they don't agree.

dislike "peace protestors" that don't know what the hell they're protesting and are fed their information by shady groups with ties to Milosevic and the N. Korean gov't even more.

EH?! WhuzzaWHO?!

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"ANSWER" / "Not In Our Name"

Can you use this response in a sentence, particularly one including some form of resource backing up your claim?

I'm sure you can...

I'm just askin' cuz this is a new one on me.

(...and prepare for some good old-fashioned guffawing if you offer a URL that ends in "@FOX.COM", mmmkay?)
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AaronFantastic said:

hehheh...nope, people should never do anything inflammatory for the sake of being inflammitory...or just to draw attention...


of course that would put an end to a lot of posts and replies on this board...but i guess only celebrities should be held to a certain standard, eh?

rio said:

celebrities? in a public venue? where they're trying to sell you themselves or their art? no, they shouldn't be held to a different standard. they should be held to exactly the same standard as everyone else, which is what i'm saying. that if people disagree, then they should feel free to boo them and walk out. but i'm hearing a lot about celebrities complaining about the backlash when they go around shooting their mouths off on important issues lately. if someone says something offensive or distasteful here, people jump down their throat about it. understandable, and to be encouraged i think. it should be the same with celebrities, and anyone else. you shouldn't just get to mouth off to the world, badmouth a president, pretend to kill him, etc., and then expect everyone to just say "oh, okay, what's next?" and move on with their lives. if a statement deserves a response, then someone else has the right to make it. why do celebrities feel that freedom of speech isn't a two-way street?
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"Leslie Feinberg spoke and accused Bush of concocting a war to cover up "the
capitalist economic crisis,: she informed the crowd that she is "a Jewish
revolutionary" dedicated to the "fight against Zionism." When I asked her
what groups she worked with, she replied that she was a
"lesbian-gay-bi-transgender movement activist." Yet a May issue of Workers
World describes Feinberg as a "lesbian and transgendered communist and a
managing editor of Workers World." [from an article by David Corn]

Leslie Feinberg kicks ass. Let's just get this out of the way first and foremost. I've met Leslie several times, and I've had some fantastic conversations with her partner - say what you want about pragmatists, but they're beautiful, down-to-Earth people who walk their talk. If Feinberg believes in something, I have a hard time believing it would be corrupt. Not that I still wouldn't entertain the possibility - after all, blind faith is a dangerous thing in which to invest.

Aaron, could you perhaps be so kind as to maybe bold the parts of all these stories that point to some kind of corruption or shady dealings? Wading through all this muckraking, all I see is more of the same polarizing us-vs.-them agenda-fest that's been boring the bejeezus out of me since this whole mess began.

Is it because there are so many Socialist groups involved that you're all in a froth over these groups? I'm no Socialist, but I thought this school of thought was destigmatized when Socialism was defanged a while back. Maybe I'm missing something even more sinister in all these seas of text - after all, it's Monday and my coffee isn't kicking in very well this morning...

Now if you can prove a Scientology link to the anti-war groups, then I'll admit you're on to something.

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Anxiety said:

that would be beautiful

AaronFantastic said:

In all due respect, Aaron, that's a cop-out. I want to know what in that information led you to believe the anti-war protest groups are corrupt and/or dangerous. IN YOUR WORDS. YOUR THOUGHTS. You brought up the accusation of these groups being backed by Darth Sideous and Shadey McHuckster, and all I see in the material you offered to back up your claim are a bunch of radical left groups which, quite frankly, read like the usual suspects.

...fed their information by shady groups with ties to Milosevic and the N. Korean gov't even more.

You wrote this. This has yet to be explicitly referenced. I may have missed it, but I'm not seeing it.

Misinformation sucks, dude. Don't be part of the problem.

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Do you think any people at the concert actually heard the Pearl Jam song "Bushleager," from their new album? It's horrid. Even if you don't like George W. Bush, the song is so obvious and pathetic that it should turn you off to the band. It's like when Guns N' Roses went after Warren Beatty - I mean...wha? At least Lennon had the decency to disguise his anti- Maharishi song as "Sexy Sadie."

TheMico said:

I thought Evenflow was boring.

No arguments about PJ being a yawner of a band from me.