(sorry for the new thread, but it's quite big news and it might get lost in the many other threads. I know, bit of a vicious cycle i guess)

Boy's Father Believes Michael Jackson is Innocent

The following report comes from NBC4.tv on November 21st:

Father Of Jackson's Accuser Denies Charges

Boy In Center Of Bitter Divorce, Custody

The attorney for the father of the 12-year-old boy in the center of the Michael Jackson controversy spoke to the media Thursday evening.

H. Russell Halper told reporters that his client believes the boy's mother is unfit and does not believe that the pop superstar victimized his son.

"Either she places a child in a home in which he's in danger of being molested, or the alternative, she is encouraging a child to make false accusations," Halper said. "Either way, it makes her unfit."

The alleged victim was featured in a British documentary with Michael Jackson. It was aired earlier this year. The boy is a cancer patient who stayed at Jackson's Neverland Ranch on a few occasions and a child in the center of a bitter divorce and custody battle.

The boy's mother had nothing negative to say about Jackson when she told a British newspaper earlier this year that "at no time has (her son) ever been treated with anything other than love, respect and the deepest kindness by Michael."

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[This message was edited Fri Nov 21 9:51:28 PST 2003 by SpcMs]

hmmm, interestingly, both of Michael's accusers were at the center of a custody battle while hanging out with Michael

It wouldn't surprise me if the father denies accusations because there's some $$$ in it for him. In my personal life I know of a mother that knew her daughters were being molested by a family friend that lived with them and in court she denied that anything happened to save her own ass...

SpcMs said:

So Michael's house is still a home which he could be molested in.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Mmm...nice try, but this is different, since the father never approved of his children staying over night with MJ. He said so in various interviews at the time. It was the mother who allowed them to stay there (the parents were already getting divorced at the time, MJ even payed an appartment 4 the mother's boyfriend).

Pele said:

He's just making the point that no matter what the mother claims, she is unfit to keep the children (rmmbr, it's about custody here). This doens't take away from his former quote that he does not believe the allegations.

I am just amazed that their are MICHAEL JACKSON FANS on a PRINCE website ... posting this crap ...

like Michael is their best friend ... etc ...

come on people !!! hee hee ...

seriously tho ... at this point its anybodys guess what did take place ...

Michael had a couple of good songs ... but ... come on ... put a fork in him --- for he is done ...

TO me - the amazement is the difference between Michael and Prince --- I mean Prince is a rare talent with his instumental ability .. hits , etc ...

Michael had some hits ... (and i admit to listening to them on the radio occasionally ) ... but ... to support someone who is as WHACKED as him ... and all of his zany ways ... and crap ... come on ... as a Michael fan ... as a fan of anyone's music --- get a life !!!

SpcMs said:

What do you mean nice try? I'm just saying it's not unquestionable that a parent would turn against their own children to fulfill their own best interest.

dagodfather said:

Well you've got a few MJ threads to sift through to post exactly what i deem 'Crap'. Happy posting!


[This message was edited Fri Nov 21 11:43:39 PST 2003 by Marrk]

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

R u suggesting the father is on MJ's payroll allready, although he spoke out against MJ in the past? Or that he would deny his children were sexyally abused just to get custody right over them? What is the father's interest in this statement that isn't outweighed by any of his other interests?

dagodfather said:

Prince fans say the funniest things

NEW MUGSHOT!!!

AaronUniversal said:

Yeah, the above statement is pure comedy.

SpcMs said:

Why does it take MJs arrest to garner enough attention to his wishes? It's a little too late to be bitching about how you didn't want you son around the man. Wouldn't this have been taken to court?

Anyperson who uses their children as pawns in divorce and custody battles really disgust me.

stymie said:

dagodfather said:

Exactly. Prince is arrogant and an asshole sometimes, but his love and caring for children is shown in benefit concerts and donations to charity. He doesn't call them up to come over and play, spend the night and have milk and cookies by the fire.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Not exactly. The children already were in the mothers custody a year ago. The father back then said he was proud of his children knowing Michael, but he didn't approve of them spending the night there. But since he didn't seem to think back than, and still doesn't think to this day, something bad actual took place, there's prolly very little he could do. At least he's beeing honest about it.

And u'r right, children and divorces don't mix. However if both parents think they r the better option and no longer trust each other ... whatelse can u xpect. Mayb it's even worse if u destroy the life of a worldwide celebrity in the process
[This message was edited Fri Nov 21 12:51:20 PST 2003 by SpcMs]

dagodfather said:

huh...i thought this thread was about michael jackson...not prince...

imnotsayinthisjust2bnasty said:

LMAO!

imnotsayinthisjust2bnasty said:

Another vote of support for Michael.


CHICAGO, Nov. 21 /PRNewswire/ -- As confirmed by ABC, NBC and Fox News, Sean Morrison, President of Morrison Security Corporation, stated today, "At no time have we ever witnessed any inappropriate behavior. We have only
observed an extremely protective, close and loving family."

Morrison Security Corporation is the sole provider of security for Michael Jackson and his immediate family. Morrison Security's management team has more than 100 years of Law Enforcement, Loss Prevention & Military experience including World Cup Soccer, The Democratic National Convention, numerous foreign Heads of State and Presidential details.

Pele said:

Exactly. He can't say on one hand MJ is innocent, she's making him say false stuff, or OK, maybe he's guilty, and she should have known that and not sent him to see him!! You can't have it both ways.


How about... the allegations are true, and as soon as she knew about it she went to the police.

Or... there's no truth in any of it, and the kid was completely safe with MJ.


Mind you, if I had kids there's NO WAY I'd send them to sleep over with an "eccentric" middle-aged man who'd been accused several times of behaving indecently with children. What are these parents thinking?

If MJ was skint would they maybe have thought twice before sending their child to him?

Raven said:

Fine. But it would be indeed a cold day in hell before any business currently working for their client will speak bad about them, to be perfectly honest

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Could be...or could be that the wife wants MJ money! Or could be that the father is under the spell of Jackson and one of those coaks who won't listen to reason. Who knows but I'm sure we'll find out. BTW, this is the first I'm hearing about it. Wonder if the "liberal" media is going to hide it!

New York Post

November 22, 2003 -- EXCLUSIVE

MY SLEEPOVER WITH MICHAEL
By MARIANNE GARVEY

TEENAGER Ahmad Elatab stayed at Michael Jackson's super-secretive Neverland Ranch a half-dozen times as part of the King of Pop's kiddie crew, and came away with stunning revelations about @#%$'s weird world.

According to the 17-year-old Elatab, Jackson:

* Has a "secret" bedroom above the movie theater in his mansion.

* Insists on speaking to the parents of his prospective young guests before letting them stay over.

* Gives youngsters the run of his fabulous house and grounds, letting them play with valuable works of art.

Treated Elatab and 20 other young guests at a closed Toys R Us, where they had the run of the place for 2 1/2 hours and got to leave with anything they wanted at Jackson's expense.

* Said he "divorced Lisa Marie Presley because she refused to have his kids."

* Called Madonna a "bitch."

* "Never molested me. I never saw Michael touch or be weird with any of the kids, he didn't do this - he's kind."

Elatab told The Post that while at Neverland, "there were no rules. Any whim was fulfilled instantly."

The boy started spending time at the luxurious California mansion in October 2002.

Elatab, who lives in Clifton, N.J., described Neverland as a "fantasy world" where kids routinely handled expensive crystal and diamond collections, had their hands all over valuable oil paintings and had unlimited access to every crevice of the house - including @#%$'s bedroom and personal belongings.

Before he was allowed to stay by himself, Elatab dialed his mother, Hanadi Fattouh, 31, and handed the Gloved One his cell phone.

"Michael asked me if it was OK if Ahmad slept over and I said yes. I completely trusted him and I still do," Fattouh said.

"I'd let him go back anytime, I support him and don't believe the rumors and accusations, never did."

On the boy's first solo visit, the star gave him and six other kids a personal tour of the place.

The first stop was Jackson's bedroom, which Elatab describes as "the typical teenager's room."

"He didn't even have the big, nice bed there, he sleeps on a little pullout couch," he recalled. "And by the way - there's no oxygen tank."

Elatab also described the room above the theater, the one where Michael slept - as @#%$'s "secret room."

Extra couches and beds are all around and anyone inside is welcome to stay the night or a few days. But first, Jackson must speak with the child's parent, Elatab said.

Elatab usually slept on a pullout couch in the room with six other kids.

The movie theater below has a projector and screen "better than a real movie theater" that plays "anything you can think of to request."

"Michael gets every movie that's just been released," Elatab says. "And I watched 'Star Wars' in there. You sit on soft leather seats spread about two feet apart from each other. There's a popcorn maker, a candy counter, fountain drinks, hot dogs, nachos, everything a regular theater has."

On one occasion, Elatab and 20 other kids also were treated to a private 21/2-hour visit to Toys R Us.

"He'd say, 'Yes, yes, anything, get whatever you want to get.' "

Elatab left the store a lucky kid that day, the proud owner of a Sony Playstation 2, and games to go along with it. Jackson also gave the teen the blue silk germ mask he was wearing that day - which he told Elatab he wears "only because he feels ugly sometimes."

On the limo ride back, "I asked him about Madonna, seeing Lisa Marie Presley at the house one time, if he was gay, things like that," the teenager said.

"He was so open, he doesn't hide anything. He's a different person when you know him. He said Madonna's a bitch, and that he divorced Lisa Marie because she wouldn't have his kids.

"He's sexual, he likes women. I've seen him flirt. Some of those women he says are his nannies, he's sleeping with. He's just hiding it from the public.

"He said he's not gay, that people are jealous and out to get him. He told me he loves his family, especially his father - he said wouldn't be where he is without him."

"The only questions he doesn't like are about his plastic surgery and [documentary maker] Martin Bashir," Elatab added.

"When I asked about that famous interview, that's the only time I ever saw him get mad - but not at me of course, at Martin."

Elatab's amazing life with @#%$ began seven years after he and a group of other Arab-American teens met the star at Sony studios in Midtown.

He gave Jackson a picture of himself with his phone number on the back.

To his surprise, Jackson called him three months later and the two struck up a phone friendship.

Jackson quickly gave the boy and his family an open invitation to Neverland.

Elatab and his parents took a day trip there. For all subsequent visits, he went without his parents.

Jackson's palatial playground sits atop a long winding road in Santa Barbara - the private pathway to the mansion dotted with "Children at Play" signs that Jackson had installed, Elatab said.

Security checkpoints greeted the then-16-year-old teen as he pulled up to the house. And before being allowed in, he - like most of Jackson's young visitors - agreed not to smoke, drink, or possess a camera while on the property.

Jackson was at Neverland during most of Elatab's visits, but the boy also visited when the Gloved One was away and bodyguards were in charge.

On arrival, guests are greeted by an enormous black and gold gate "the size of the one at Disneyland," open before him, with "Neverland" above it in shiny gold letters.

"There were lights everywhere. There were trees with Christmas lights, lights on the gate, tons of lights, sparkling - it was great," Elatab said.

He was taken to Michael's "old brick house" on the property, where the eccentric star stays.

"It's not the biggest house I've ever seen, but it is big," Elatab said. "It looks like a nice English home."

Elatab describes Jackson as a simple guy off-camera, one who "wears the same clothes day after day" and "likes to collect action figures and watch horror movies."

On shelves lining his room, Jackson keeps the music prizes he's won over his long career - Grammys, American Music Awards, MTV Moonmen and a lifetime of magazine covers that show his changing face.

There's also evidence of the boy still stuck inside the man, said Elatab.

"There are toys, toys, toys everywhere," he said. "Life-size figures of Darth Vader, R2D2, Pinocchio, E.T., you name it."

Along the downstairs hallways he saw hundreds of pictures of Jackson with other celebrities including Bill Clinton, Liza Minnelli and Elizabeth Taylor.

"There are pictures all over, covering a piano, on a wall, laying all around. Pictures of him with all the kids who've been to the place," said Elatab.

The downstairs contains an "antique library," as Jackson calls it, filled with expensive period furniture, jewels and rare books - all of which the kids are allowed to handle.

Jackson let the kids roam the entire property - which contains a theater, a private recording studio, a zoo, an arcade, a pool and Jacuzzi, and a section of amusement park with a roller coaster and flying swings on a carousel.

"The place has everything you can imagine, you can do whatever you want, whenever you want," Elatab says about the endless possibilities.

The arcade is "another whole house" with car-racing video games and a virtual tennis game, autographed by Serena and Venus Williams.

"It's filled with waist-high gumball machines, photo booths, Coke machines, a jukebox," said Elatab. "It has every video game, fishing games, skateboard games."

And this is where Jackson gave Elatab an impromptu dance lesson, showing the teen some of his trademark moves - to tunes from a mix of artists ranging from 50 Cent to the Bee Gees.

"He showed me how to pop like him," Elatab said of the memorable lesson.

The teen said Jackson liked to hug them or give pats on the head.

"He just loves acting our age . . . He called us doo-doo, appleheads and smellies. It was all from his heart, I know it was."

SpcMs, please stop trawling the web for pro-MJ articles, and posting them up here.

A 45 year old man shouldn't be inviting 17/14/13 year old kids to his house...period.
'The King Of Pop' - THAT'S a joke.
His next record will be a criminal one.

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thebumpsquad said:

Nice, u insulted me, assumed u had any authority over my actions here, judged another man's life style, insulted the music taste of millions (including many prince fans), and convicted a person without knowing any evidence or any form of trial. And all that in 6 lines. Keep it up!

well said spcms

SpcMs said:

I LOL'd when I read that Michael Jackson thinks Madonna is a bitch. Perhaps MJ is not as wacko as I originally thought.

MJ accusations aside, Neverland Ranch sounds like a nice place to hang out.

SpcMs said:

Oh please!

The post! There is not point in even reading the article!
[This message was edited Sat Nov 22 14:16:39 PST 2003 by VinnyM27]