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Afro-Punk: The Rock & Roll Nigger Experience
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People were hiding that issue as if it was a dirty secret, I'm glad somebody shed lights on that issue. So many of them are in my university and so many of them feel like "outsiders" becoz of that bullshit. Love is just like the faucet
It turns off and on Sometimes when you think it's on baby It has turned off and gone Lady Day | |
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this is absolutely wonderful... | |
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Handclapsfingasnapz said: this is absolutely wonderful...
when i wuz in high school i had lotsa punk & goth friends, wore combat boots and dog collars, and some of the other blacks in my school kinna looked down upon me for that. "she thinks she's white, look at her, blah blah blah..." no fuck-heads, i don't think i'm 'white'. i think i'm me. i've had friends in the past who are black n'punky like myself and they weren't ashamed of who they were at all, nor should anyone be. You don't look like an Afro-Punk Well I kinda know what you're talking about(I don't fully relate to it tho) but I've neva had any problem with "diffrences" at all cuz MOST of the time "different is cool",,and you know who holds the prime example of what I'm talking about Love is just like the faucet
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Harlepolis said: You don't look like an Afro-Punk
if you mean like i don't have the piercings and all that, then yeah. i say you don't have to be all super-decked out in chains n'shit in order to be considered as such...it ain't about the looks, it's all about whatcha feel. i consider myself more of an amalgam of things, i guess...hard to explain. | |
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Handclapsfingasnapz said: Harlepolis said: You don't look like an Afro-Punk
if you mean like i don't have the piercings and all that, then yeah. i say you don't have to be all super-decked out in chains n'shit in order to be considered as such...it ain't about the looks, it's all about whatcha feel. i consider myself more of an amalgam of things, i guess...hard to explain. You don't have to, I know exaclty what you mean Love is just like the faucet
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I went to a predominately black & hispanic high school in inner-city Los Angeles (an area popularized by "Boyz N The Hood," Ice T and the like) I used to be friends with these kids who wore all-black clothes, black combat boots, chokers, black fingernail polish, and rock band patches on their backpacks. They were black and hispanic kids and they loved rock music. I remember they had a love for Slipknot, Metallica, Deftones, Korn, etc. (even Rock 'N' Español -- I first heard of Shakira's spanish-language albums by these kids 3 years before she "sold out" to get mainstream MTV acceptance) at a time when a majority of the kids at my school were into Snoop Dogg, Jay-Z, Tupac and whatever was bumping on Power 106 or 92.3 The Beat (that's what the station was called at the time). They even formed my school's first Rock/Alternative club. People didn't hate on them because kids at my school pretty much did what they wanted to do and didn't apologize for it. This documentary made me think of them. People like to easily categorize black kids like they're only into rap and basketball, but I know so many kids who don't even work on that type of frequency. | |
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Handclapsfingasnapz said: this is absolutely wonderful...
when i wuz in high school i had lotsa punk & goth friends, wore combat boots and dog collars, and some of the other blacks in my school kinna looked down upon me for that. "she thinks she's white, look at her, blah blah blah..." no fuck-heads, i don't think i'm 'white'. i think i'm me. i've had friends in the past who are black n'punky like myself and they weren't ashamed of who they were at all, nor should anyone be. i got that a lot too, babysnaps when i was in h.s., i wore a jacket that had chains running across a british flag with prince buttons all over the front. i hung with both the goths and punks too. i hated being locked into one group because of the color of my skin. by then i was just like f-it. i'm going to be me. | |
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I saw that documentary at the Black Film Festival in SF over a month ago. What stood out to me was that many in the documentary were brought up in a suburban environment, which also has a huge influence as to how they feel about being accepted in social circles. There was one AA young woman who talked about how she was basically told by her mom not to date black men and listed all these stereotypes. You know her mom has influenced her thinking alot. If you can find it at a film festival in your city, I highly recommend checking it out. | |
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Well guess what. Consider your fellow orger, New Wave Forever as the black punk rocker. When I was in High School I got into that phase by listening to old school stuff like Sex Pistols, Talking Heads and the Clash (the band that changed my life). But I did get a lot of flack for "selling out". But it wasn't like I was a conformist to begin with. Rock has always been apart of me and always will. So to all you other Alternative brothers ands sisters out there I say,
NEW WAVE FOREVER: SLAVE TO THE WAVE FROM THE CRADLE TO THE GRAVE. | |
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funkyslsistah said: What stood out to me was that many in the documentary were brought up in a suburban environment, which also has a huge influence as to how they feel about being accepted in social circles.
the thing with me that's strange is that i wuz born and raised in the inner-city of des moines, iowa...my folks simply couldn't afford to live in the 'burbs and all that. i got hip to punk, ska and new wave cuz i always listened to kdps, a college radio station in des moines. they played everything under the sun--ramones (i fell in love with 'em when i first heard "blitzkrieg bop" on there), the clash, x-ray spex, misfits, and some hardcore punk bands as well. in fact, there wuz this one punk show that i listened to religiously every wednesday night and i always taped songs from there. if there's a screenin of afro-punk here in mpls, i will definitely go see it. it's been a while since i seen a good documentary as it is. | |
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You listen to music you grow up with--that is the thing I notice. Whatever it may be. I do notice that black folks racialize music tastes way too much. Everybody should experience and listen to all forms of music. Without an all-around musical experience, then you cannot call yourself fully formed. Prince music is good with this, because he goes all over the map with his sound. And punk being liked by blacks should make sense anyway, because anger knows no color, and punk is good at getting out that anger--anger in the music, that is.
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i had those same experiences in school. i didn't necessarily dress 'punk' but but believe me it was very eccentric. there were a few black kids at my school and they thought i was acting white because i didn't hang out in their circle and such, but i knew better, i mean was i supposed to make friends with them just because they were black? ugh. i go to a predominately black school and there are blacks who play rock music, listen to punk or whatever. rock music comes from black people anyways so why can't we listen to it and participate? | |
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Just avoid polka. | |
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funkyslsistah said: I saw that documentary at the Black Film Festival in SF over a month ago. What stood out to me was that many in the documentary were brought up in a suburban environment, which also has a huge influence as to how they feel about being accepted in social circles. There was one AA young woman who talked about how she was basically told by her mom not to date black men and listed all these stereotypes. You know her mom has influenced her thinking alot. If you can find it at a film festival in your city, I highly recommend checking it out.
I know those feelings. Although I pretty much socialized as black, I grew up in a predominantly white school and had a lot of white friends, and musical/cultural influences that could be characterized as "white." It's hard going to navigate between circles and cultures of different races. My parents kept me and my sibs very level-headed in that department, knowing full well that if they brought us up in a "majority" environment, we would be influenced by it. But a strong family is the ultimate factor in one's self-identification: be it black, white, "me," or a combination of the three. Yet as I got older, I felt more comfortable because I found more black folk who had similar experiences. So to kids struggling with these issues, let me say: you're not alone. be yourself, and be proud. that to me is the definition of "black." Props will be withheld until the showing and proving has commenced. -- Aaron McGruder | |
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Freedom of expression is a beautiful thing. "You need people like me so you can point your fuckin' fingers and say, "That's the bad guy." "
Al Pacino- Scarface | |
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Isn't it funny that a lot of black people who have been through these experiences gravitated to Prince?
Props will be withheld until the showing and proving has commenced. -- Aaron McGruder | |
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In a way, Prince let Morris Day be the black man Prince just could never be. | |
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2freaky4church1 said: In a way, Prince let Morris Day be the black man Prince just could never be.
You may have a point there. Morris was, in a lot of ways, P's alter ego -- a funky, cool, playa-playa cat. But post-Mowis, P did alright by his darn self. Props will be withheld until the showing and proving has commenced. -- Aaron McGruder | |
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2freaky4church1 said: In a way, Prince let Morris Day be the black man Prince just could never be.
You just exhibited what the author said: "tunnel vision about what a Black person should be. And you can't stray outside of that. It's wrong. Taboo", as James Hill said. | |
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Nah, I'm right. | |
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I think this is really sad...people trying to be something they NEVER will be. | |
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The irony of this whole thing is black people where the creators of rock n roll, so why shouldn't they have the right 2 make any contributes 4 2day | |
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DigitalLisa said: The irony of this whole thing is black people where the creators of rock n roll, so why shouldn't they have the right 2 make any contributes 4 2day
Just so y'all know rock n roll is a black thing, always has been and always will be. True. | |
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2freaky4church1 said: Nah, I'm right.
Nah, you just like to stereotype. Like some of the people talked about in the article. | |
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okaypimpn said: I think this is really sad...people trying to be something they NEVER will be.
okaypimpn, are you saying these kids want to be white? Props will be withheld until the showing and proving has commenced. -- Aaron McGruder | |
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okaypimpn said: I think this is really sad...people trying to be something they NEVER will be.
what do you mean never will be? they awready are, far as i'm concerned. | |
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Handclapsfingasnapz said: okaypimpn said: I think this is really sad...people trying to be something they NEVER will be.
what do you mean never will be? they awready are, far as i'm concerned. To namepeace as well... I just don't see the big deal in trying to befriend a culture in order to "fit in." I'm not saying that all black people should listen to R&B or hip-hop or so-called "black music" because (as someone stated earlier) ALL music is black music, but what's the big deal in trying to be "punk." The shit is just lame to me, but to each their own. | |
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okaypimpn said: I just don't see the big deal in trying to befriend a culture in order to "fit in." I'm not saying that all black people should listen to R&B or hip-hop or so-called "black music" because (as someone stated earlier) ALL music is black music, but what's the big deal in trying to be "punk." The shit is just lame to me, but to each their own.
ya just contradicted yourself there a bit--you say all music is derived from black music, yet it seems like you're also sayin, "do whatcha want, but you can't be punk & black!" which is it? nobody's tryin to 'fit in' to anything here. i don't like the punk genre cuz i wanna be 'hip' and wanna fit in...hell, i don't fit in as it is. what do you suggest one does? be themselves? cuz that's just what folks are doin, basically. | |
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