kisscamille said:

Thank You!!!

minneapolisgenius said:

as i said "popular music" as broadly defined. basically anything that's not jazz or classical, in the modern marketplace. you listen to Prince, i assume?

AaronSuperior said:

Sometimes.

Rudy said:

Bullshit.Look at us right now,discussing her on a Prince site.Love her or hate her,Madonna is NEVER ignored.

pimpdoutt said:

This has NOTHING to do with talent...

Neversin.

kisscamille said:

Just curious,what did you like about 'Evita'? Did you like Maddy's performance,the storyline,or just the movie itself?

imnotsayinthisjust2bnasty said:

Exactly.It's just my opinion,but if Madonna really didn't have any talent,she would have been "over" by the mid-80s and no one would even still be talking about her.I think her longevity and status in the music world speaks for itself.And,could an un-talented person write deep,introspective songs like "Like A Prayer" and "Live To Tell"? Could an un-talented person star in a major,well-received epic film like 'Evita'?


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DavidEye said:

Yes.

minneapolisgenius said:

YES.

Janfriend said:

I wouldn't say they are talented! Ok maybe they are talented...at sucking dick!

I'm sick of pissy jerks getting all worked up over Madonna and saying she isn't talented. You don't have to like her but you can't argue she isn't talented. Put in the fucking "Like A Prayer" album and tell me that she can't write some beautiful and sometimes epic pop songs! Her voice isn't the best (although LAP has some great voclas that are hers) but you cannot argue that she doesn't make great records. The co-producers play some part but she always gets top billing over them. I think in most cases they help. I'm nearly certain she writes all the lyrics and probably just gets some help on the music from them. Madonna is talented but I would agree that she's isn't the absolute best at everything (the movies are shaky).

VinnyM27 said:

I can argue that she doesn't make great records because I don't think she makes makes great records.

Neversin said:

that has everything to do with it

the GREATEST talent one can have in this business is the talent to stay alive, stay relevant, and sell out the ass

whether you can sing, dance, rap, or yodel is optional

minneapolisgenius said:

only sometimes? the nickname you've chosen for this site (and the fact that you're on the site at all) tells me otherwise

Rudy said:

yeah, everyone's ignoring her she's been all over TV around the world in the last month, was in the news about her video nonstop for about a month prior to that, scored a #1 album, and has dozens of threads dedicated to her on this website alone (speaking of which, you seem to be on a lot of those threads, for someone who doesn't like her and is ignoring her).

AaronSuperior said:

I chose my nickname because I am originally from Mpls. and I am also a genius. No Prince reference at all there.

Since you guys can't stop talking about her,I thought I would revive this thread.There are some really good points being made here.

Moonbeam said:

LOL...wouldn't you agree that Madonna is an EASY artist to defend? I actually enjoy the anti-Madonna threads,it gives me a chance to kick some ass

DavidEye said:

or spew chart positions and sales numbers...which, has nothing to do with why "you" enjoy maddy...

after all, these arguments will never be won..its all about sharing your opinion..we all know chart positions..and for those who didnt, im sure they would visit rollingstone or billboard.com for it...

i think if things became less of a "im right and your wrong because in 1935 maddy released a single of her baby crys that charted #11 in the lower eastside...there for she is..." well, that would be cool.

DavidEye said:

Only a fool would oppose her.

smart business woman

Talent

But then again u don't need talent
If u know how 2 market ur self

Talented...PLEASE

I can tell everyone some unknow stuff about her screwing people over before she was known/when she was just hitting..but I promised them I wouldn't tell anyone.

Must be told!
Nushell:

1950's ~Elvis was Vanilla Ice in his Day ..There was a TON of Black artist doing the samething before him..naming them all would be a joke. (Elvis in the long run proved he had talent/great voice... But originally The Music Industry had a "Game Plan" )

1980's ~ Madonna was a rip off of Prince & Michael Jackson and was invented because they didn't want 2 Black Artist ruling the station.. Prince did everything she did in 1980.. Madonna had NO talent in learning how to play an Instrument.. so she "tried"
to be more like Michael & hide in the dance field of MTV Music. She was Prince's Shock looks,image & songs with Michael's Dancing and production values of videos.


1990's ~ Vanilla Ice was invented because of MC Hammer.

ALL one big pattern.. of "WE like your music (black artist) BUT we don't want to know you that well or give you credit in OUR Media for something you did years and years before."

This Pattern started as soon as TV started getting big... and their were millions of eyes watching..

Another voice of reason

locoarts said:

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Good Points!!! Madonna did steal a lot of stuff from Prince. She is talented as a Business/Woman but,as a artist she does not have it. It appears that the music buying public has figured that out with this most recent record.

She really should have been done 10 years ago.

Prince just put on a kick ass performance in LA that Madonna could never pull off. Give credit where credit is due.

Anyone quote one Madonna track that someone would like to listen to in 20 years time, that kind of unique track that change somehow the course of music history (as for prince: several tracks on 1999 are at the root of modern house music, Kiss is an innovative and timeless song...), and I might change my mind.

Until then, I will fully agree with everyone saying she's got a great her, she's clever, talented at marketing herself and her stuff, but does not bring anything to music history overall.

"As an artist she does not have it.It appears that the music buying public has figured that out with this most recent record"

So,if an artist's album flops,that automatically means that they "do not have it" as an artist? How many flop albums has Prince put out? Since nobody really buys HIS stuff anymore,does that mean he's not a great artist?



"Madonna did steal alot of stuff from Prince"

Bullshit.I hate to break this to you,but every artist (including Prince) is influenced by what comes before them.

locoarts said:

LMAO

This is the most absurd piece of bullshit that I have ever read on this site.It's ridiculous.Madonna was "invented" because MTV didn't want two Black artists ruling their station?? Yeah,I guess some record execs met with MTV and decided to create her...lol...can't have too many successful Black artists,so let's get a hip White chick to "balance things out" a bit...lol...oh lord!

DrD said:

I still listen to old songs like "Live To Tell" (1986) and the entire 'Like A Prayer' album (1989).I really couldn't care less whether or not it "changes the course of music history".It's just great music and that's all that matters.

it's her boozems

Okay this is the way I see it. If anything her talent lies in her ability to take what's underground and make it the mainstream. She may not be a great musician, but she instinctively knows what works in music and what doesnt.

Unlike most mainstream artists who get well known producers to make them hits, Madonna has historically always used producers of an unknown quantity.

Stephen Bray
Pat Leonard
Shep Pettibone
William Orbit
Mirwais

All had careers before Madonna, but their careers post Madge were far more successful. The occasions where she has used big name producers (Babyface, David Foster, Dallas Austin) it produced her less inspired work. Madonna has total creative control over what she makes which shows in some of her decisions.

As Nile Rodgers said, shes the last true superstar. Jacko's gone Wacko, and Prince almost wants to want to be small time...and the reasson...because she's the only mainstream artist with the balls to try something new, and yet maintain that mass appeal. Could you really see Celine Dion, Wacko J, or Mariah Carey releasing a track like Music?

Madonna is an enigma in many respects as nobody knows where her talent begins or ends, but dont ever discount her right to be where she is. You dont become that successful and stay there without having talent.
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