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Reply #90 posted 02/02/19 11:44am

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bboy87 said: State of Shock wasn't released to radio until June of 1984. But it s true that in a space of a few months, the single market was oversaturated with MJ. . Say say Say peaked on December 1983, then in January 1984 Somebody's Watching Me, The Man was supposed to be released on February, then cancelled but it got some airplay then Thriller peaked worldwide in march Farewell my Summer Love peaked in June State of Shock peaked on July... . It seemed a little overcrowded, but I think There was a window to release Lady In My Life in April 1984, for it to peak on may and would be gone for the release of State Of Shock. . Lady In My Life was the most potential hit of MJ that were never released, in part due to the popularity of MJ, and of course because the song is great and radio friendly . With a music video, the longer version as a Bsides, it would have been a top 10 hit on both sides of the Atlantic, and would have been an even greater achievement. . It would have been an all time classic for sure, another one for MJ s legacy. It s always good to take


also in the early summer of '84,many radio satations were playing "Tell Me I'm Not Dreamin",Jermaine Jackson's duet with Michael,even though it was never reelased as an official single.



After the song "Thriller" peaked,there just wasn't any way to release any more singles from Thriller.The songs would have been competing with each other on the charts,lol.



And it wasn't like Michael was using the opportunity to release more music via b-sides.



By the time December 83 came around, the album sales were through the roof so no point in releasing Baby Be Mine or Lady In My Life. By December 84, the album was 20x platinum in the US and over 30 million worldwide



There were stations doing "No Michael Jackson" Weekends lol




Very interesting conversation. I thought the No Michael Jackson weekend s occurred at the release of State of Shock, after one station played 30 times in a row, people began to complain.
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The lack of true bsides for MJ singles were a problem,but for most consumers, a Jacksons song or an Off the wall song were like new to them.
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If I were Epic/ MJ, I would have released the two following sides :
1. Lady in my life longer version
2. She s out of my life accoustic.
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It would have worth the money.
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There were only 3 times where Michael added unreleased bsides
- can't get outta rain (but it was You Can't win part 2)
- Come together for Remember the time (but it was a cover)
- Shout for the single Cry. The true real unreleased bsides for MJ. I thought at the time it will propell the single to top 10 in Europe easily, but it was the worst commercial failure in MJ s carreer in the charts.
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How ironic.
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Reply #91 posted 02/02/19 1:27pm

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Shout was phenomenal
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Reply #92 posted 02/02/19 4:30pm

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Shout was phenomenal


Yes. 2Bad It didn't make the album.
It was replaced by the embarrassing You are my Life.
2000 Watts ( originally 6 minutes long)/ Shout/ Privacy, would have made for a great suite!
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Reply #93 posted 02/02/19 4:45pm

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“Tell Me I’m Not Dreaming” is a superb track....better than anything on ‘Victory’.
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Reply #94 posted 02/02/19 5:03pm

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alphastreet said:

Shout was phenomenal


Yes. 2Bad It didn't make the album.
It was replaced by the embarrassing You are my Life.
2000 Watts ( originally 6 minutes long)/ Shout/ Privacy, would have made for a great suite!


You are my life is one of the laziest babyface songs and felt like he needed to have another known producer on record. Shout would have been perfect there
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Reply #95 posted 02/02/19 8:49pm

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Yes. 2Bad It didn't make the album.
It was replaced by the embarrassing You are my Life.
2000 Watts ( originally 6 minutes long)/ Shout/ Privacy, would have made for a great suite!


You are my life is one of the laziest babyface songs and felt like he needed to have another known producer on record. Shout would have been perfect there


It is strange that MJ loved so much YAML,he pushed back by 3 weeks the release of Invincible to record that crap.
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He even said in interviews this was one of his 3 favourite songs from the album (along with Unbreakable and Speechless).
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In a TV special in 2003, he broadcast this song with videos of his children.
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He had lost common sense of what song was good or not
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Reply #96 posted 02/02/19 9:42pm

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Fall Again is another one that I wish was completed for the album...I blame young prince for the cold that halted recording time wink

Also, it’s not like he was pushing invincible at the time but he could have with better usage of music if he wanted
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Reply #97 posted 02/03/19 5:29am

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Fall Again is another one that I wish was completed for the album...I blame young prince for the cold that halted recording time ;-)

Also, it’s not like he was pushing invincible at the time but he could have with better usage of music if he wanted
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The recording of Invincible was slow down because MJ had a chronical laryngitis...so he said.
Frankly, it s a bad excuse, because he could have recorded Fall Again another day, instead of, let say, Don t walk away.
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Reply #98 posted 02/03/19 7:15am

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Reply #99 posted 02/03/19 12:43pm

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I always imagine Michael doing a solo 'Thriller' tour in 1983/84 and that this lady,Madonna,was his opening act biggrin Image result for michael jackson and madonna 1984

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Reply #100 posted 02/03/19 1:12pm

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She loved him more than the other way around to ever do that lol
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Reply #101 posted 02/03/19 6:32pm

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So Prince, whom fought 4 his first record deal & got it, fought 4 a movie deal & got it, fought 4 freedom from his WB contract & got it, fought 4 his masters & got them.Gets a curable illness & says 2 himself ok, I'm done. "Life is a Box Of Chocolates"
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Reply #102 posted 02/04/19 7:24am

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Man something about seeing this video in the 80s. That fantasy he projected, the city night life, the style. Videos could never be the same again.

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The 58-year-old Dubliner has since directed a number of successful feature length films including Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (1990), Rat (2000) and the hugely popular Mike Bassett: England Manager (2001), a sequel to which is due to be released next year. He has also been nominated for 27 Emmy Awards and five Golden Globes.

However, it is Barron’s creative output during the Eighties, when he was working with and producing music videos for artists such as Fleetwood Mac, Madonna, Dolly Parton, A-ha (Magne Furuholmen from the band designed the artwork for the memoir), Paul McCartney and David Bowie, that forms the basis of this fascinating memoir, released earlier this month.

Let’s go back to how it all started. How did you arrive at a stage when Michael Jackson’s agent is calling you to ask you to direct the video for Billie Jean?

SB: I left school early and became a camera assistant; a tea boy, really. I leaned to make a great cup of tea and got very involved with a lot of good film crews, who were doing a lot of good films. At the time I was really good at the tea and I think I was quite efficient at being perceptive of what might be needed.

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Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
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Reply #103 posted 02/04/19 2:30pm

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"We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world."
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Reply #104 posted 02/05/19 7:27am

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What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
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Did he put your million dollar check
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http://storyofsong.com/st...llie-jean/

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In The Magic & The Crazy, The Whole Story, Michael Jackson’s biographer J. Randy Taraborrelli promoted the theory that “Billie Jean” was derived from a real life experience that Michael faced in 1981. He documents that a girl had written Michael Jackson a letter claiming that he was the father of her child. Michael used to receive letters of this kind regularly and he would just ignore them. But this woman continued to send Jackson more and more letters, she also stated that she loved him and they will make a happy couple together raising the claimed child. She pondered how Jackson could ignore his own flesh and blood. The letters she wrote were very disturbing to Michael to the extent that he suffered nightmares.

One day Michael received a parcel from her containing her picture, a gun and a letter. In the letter she asked that Michael kill himself on a certain day and at a specific time and that she would do the same once she had killed their baby. She wrote that if they could not be together in this life, then they would be in the next. Michael was horrified and he rarely spoke about this woman, but he had a very hard time dealing with this unwanted attention, the song was his way of expressing his feelings without addressing her directly. When Michael Jackson talked about “Billie Jean” in Moonwalk, he said: “A musician knows hit material. It has to feel right. Everything has to feel in place. It fulfills you and it makes you feel good. You know it when you hear it. That’s how I felt about ‘Billie Jean.’ I knew it was going to be big while I was writing it. I was really absorbed in that song. One day during a break in a recording session I was riding down the Ventura Freeway with Nelson Hayes, who was working with me at the time. ‘Billie Jean’ was going around in my head and that’s all I was thinking about. We were getting off the freeway when a kid on a motorcycle pulls up to us and says, ‘Your car’s on fire.’ Suddenly we noticed the smoke and pulled over and the whole bottom of the Rolls-Royce was on fire. That kid probably saved our lives. If the car had exploded, we could have been killed. But I was so absorbed by this tune floating in my head that I didn’t even focus on the awful possibilities until later.”

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Billie Jean is kind of anonymous. It represents a lot of girls. They used to call them groupies in the ’60s…They would hang around backstage doors, and any band that would come to town they would have a relationship with, and I think I wrote this out of experience with my brothers when I was little. There were a lot of Billie Jeans out there. Every girl claimed that their son was related to one of my brothers.


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Reply #108 posted 02/06/19 7:31pm

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They shot the Beat It video nearly 3 weeks later. Steve Barron wanted to direct it too, but his idea of Michael being the captain of a slave ship carrying white slaves didn't go over to well with CBS

"We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world."
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Reply #109 posted 02/07/19 8:34am

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Went to the Victory Tour in Dallas in 1984. So blessed I got to see him and his family perform.

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French mime and actor Marcel Marceau and American musician Michael Jackson perform onstage at the 12th Annual MTV Video Music Awards at Radio City...

French mime and actor Marcel Marceau and American musician Michael Jackson perform onstage at the 12th Annual MTV Video Music Awards at Radio City...

French mime and actor Marcel Marceau and American musician Michael Jackson perform onstage at the 12th Annual MTV Video Music Awards at Radio City...

French mime and actor Marcel Marceau and American musician Michael Jackson perform onstage at the 12th Annual MTV Video Music Awards at Radio City...

French mime and actor Marcel Marceau and American musician Michael Jackson perform onstage at the 12th Annual MTV Video Music Awards at Radio City...

American musician Michael Jackson and French mime and actor Marcel Marceau perform onstage at the 12th Annual MTV Video Music Awards at Radio City...

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"We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world."
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"We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world."
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"We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world."
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"We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world."
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#IDEFINEME #ALBUMSSTILLMATTER

A Liar Shall Not Tarry In My Presence

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the m
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Reply #118 posted 02/12/19 11:52pm

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alphastreet said:

Fall Again is another one that I wish was completed for the album...I blame young prince for the cold that halted recording time ;-)

Also, it’s not like he was pushing invincible at the time but he could have with better usage of music if he wanted
[Edited 2/2/19 21:44pm]


The recording of Invincible was slow down because MJ had a chronical laryngitis...so he said.
Frankly, it s a bad excuse, because he could have recorded Fall Again another day, instead of, let say, Don t walk away.

MJ was obv dealing with a lot during that time. He seemed very unfocused and unsure of himself.
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Reply #119 posted 02/13/19 6:15am

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I help too!!! D:

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