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Rapper Too Short: We Have to Admit Drake Is “Beatles, Michael Jackson” Right Now

“As a music artist, period, he is embedded in pop culture forever.”
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Drake breaks records and makes hits, and according to Too Short, it's time we admit that as a music artist, he is on the level of Michael Jackson and The Beatles.

As the Bay Area legend mentioned in the first episode of his ...Radio show, we cannot deny that Drake is brushing shoulders with the greats in real time.

“As a music artist, period, he is embedded in pop culture forever,” Too Short said. “He consistently makes hit records, so it is what it is. I mean, literally, he’s like [The] Beatles, Michael Jackson right now. We don’t want to admit it ‘cause it’s happening right now but you gonna fuckin’ have to admit it eventually… You gotta go Beatles, Michael Jackson, Drake… You gotta say it.”

This isn't a surprising statement for those following Billboard charts, as Drake has already outdone The Beatles in several feats. Last week, Drizzy broke the band’s record for most top 10 Hot 100 hits in a calendar year with 12 hits to his name in 2018. While some might consider Too Short’s comments inflammatory or unfounded, Drake's chart success proves their merit. Drake has already entered the pantheon of generationally influential artists. His peers regard him as an artist capable of breaking new acts and propelling the culture forward.

Whether or not Drake has classic albums is beside the point. Drake's influence and historic run of mainstream success are not only inextricable with modern-day hip-hop and R&B but all of popular music. Pressing play on any contemporary alternative R&B album will leave you with at least a few shades of Drake’s early work. At his core, Drake laid an impressive foundation for a genre of power-fantasy music that has both stolen and mended our sad boi hearts.

No, Drake did not invent emo rap, but he did set a precedent for the way mainstream hip-hop artists interrogate heartbreak. At times toxic and childish, this is the foundation of an undeniable subculture.

So, I guess, that’s pretty Michael Jackson of him.

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Reply #1 posted 11/01/18 12:09pm

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"If you're living, you've got nothing left to prove..."
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Reply #2 posted 11/01/18 12:37pm

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Too short or too thick?

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Reply #3 posted 11/01/18 3:00pm

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Counterpoint: https://www.sohh.com/funk...ed-rapper/
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I know exactly one Drake song by name, personally. Can someone here name 10 of his apparent collection of top songs without Googling? They don't even need to be from this year. I agree with Flex that it's glorified karaoke written by what could fill a room worth of people. It's nice it seems to be effective. He doesn't seem to broken emotionally in his public persona, it's nice that broken/emotional people connect with him.
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Reply #4 posted 11/01/18 4:24pm

luvsexy4all

u cant compare now and then

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Reply #5 posted 11/01/18 9:29pm

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One of the worst so called artist I've ever wasted more than 3 seconds on.

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Reply #6 posted 11/01/18 10:47pm

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luvsexy4all said:

u cant compare now and then

You really can't. A primary reason is because it's not fair to the "now".

Drake is a big star but he's nowhere near the neighboring league of the stature of a Beatles or Michael Jackson. That trinity of those 2 and Elvis ain't expanding to a quadrality.
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Reply #7 posted 11/02/18 12:42am

SoulAlive

the funny thing is,I can only name one song by Drake....that recent "Kiki,Do You Love Me?" song lol

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Reply #8 posted 11/02/18 4:36am

TheFman

Honestly: who's Drake??

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Reply #9 posted 11/02/18 7:05am

EmmaMcG

I know who Drake is. But I literally couldn't name ANY of his songs. Not even one. I am not a fan of The Beatles. In fact, I think they're dreadful. But I know loads of their songs. So it's not just a case of me not knowing Drake's music because I'm not a fan. He's just a non entity to me. And nowhere near the level of The Beatles, Michael Jackson etc.
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Reply #10 posted 11/02/18 7:11am

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TheFman said:

Honestly: who's Drake??

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Reply #11 posted 11/02/18 8:36am

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StrangeButTrue said:

Counterpoint: https://www.sohh.com/funk...ed-rapper/ . I know exactly one Drake song by name, personally. Can someone here name 10 of his apparent collection of top songs without Googling? They don't even need to be from this year. I agree with Flex that it's glorified karaoke written by what could fill a room worth of people. It's nice it seems to be effective. He doesn't seem to broken emotionally in his public persona, it's nice that broken/emotional people connect with him.

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Agreed 100%. Drake htting the top 10 so many times is deffo a quantity over quality kind of thing, with him just launching single after single from his double album. The year the Beatles had their 11 top 10 hits was 1964; among those top 10 songs are counted 'She Loves You', 'Please Please Me', 'Twist & Shout', 'Can't Buy Me Love', 'Love Me Do', 'A Hard Day's Night', and 'I Feel Fine'. All songs that are still played as classics on many radio stations. Time will tell if Drake's Scorpion singles will enjoy the same airplay on whatever platforms will be available for popular music 54 years from now in 2072 (!). Right now I can only name 'God's Plan', 'In My Feelings', and 'I'm Upset'

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I don't doubt that Drake's a big name in music right now, I don't doubt that he's influencing a great many up-and-coming R&B singers as well as rappers, and then there's a great many more who are not f***ing with Drake. Yes he's a very big deal, but it's pointless to draw parallels with the Beatles or MJ on criteria that touch upon statistics that had a very different meaning in the 60s or 80s than they do now.

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Reply #12 posted 11/02/18 8:58am

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falloff Thanks i needed that laugh.

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Reply #13 posted 11/02/18 11:02am

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StrangeButTrue said:

Counterpoint: https://www.sohh.com/funk...ed-rapper/ . I know exactly one Drake song by name, personally. Can someone here name 10 of his apparent collection of top songs without Googling? They don't even need to be from this year. I agree with Flex that it's glorified karaoke written by what could fill a room worth of people. It's nice it seems to be effective. He doesn't seem to broken emotionally in his public persona, it's nice that broken/emotional people connect with him.

To answer the bold, I can do that easily- probably without having to go back further than 2016. I agree- he's the Beatles of this era; this dude has been putting out more "hits" back to back to back for so long now that I've given up on waiting for him and his style to play out. Seriously, I can't remember the last time that Black radio (all formats of Black radio, including "old school" and "grown and sexy") didn't have at least 2 current Drake songs in their rotation.

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To the point of how ubiquitous this dude has become, Travis Scott's "Sicko Mode" is #1 on Billboard's R&B chart for next week (and by the way, I really like that song- it's grown on me alot). Drake's on half of the song yet doesn't get official billing on it, not even a "featuring Drake" credit.

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(in my Drake voice) Got 'em going back to back/took a break from work now it's back to that.

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Reply #14 posted 11/02/18 12:08pm

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SoulAlive said:

the funny thing is,I can only name one song by Drake....that recent "Kiki,Do You Love Me?" song lol


You still haven't named one, as that's not the title! lol

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Reply #15 posted 11/02/18 12:12pm

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The only thing I care to admit is that he is the biggest rapper Canada has ever seen. canada

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Reply #16 posted 11/02/18 3:23pm

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He's really not though. No offence to Drake but his music isn't that ubiquitous, no new music is. The Beatles and Michael Jackson were everywhere, absolutely everywhere. I just have to not play him on Spotify and he barely ever crosses my path, he doesn't even get a chance to annoy me. There's an argument for Kanye maybe, cos he is everywhere, but less so his current music though...

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Reply #17 posted 11/03/18 9:04am

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StrangeButTrue said:

Counterpoint: https://www.sohh.com/funk...ed-rapper/ . I know exactly one Drake song by name, personally. Can someone here name 10 of his apparent collection of top songs without Googling? They don't even need to be from this year. I agree with Flex that it's glorified karaoke written by what could fill a room worth of people. It's nice it seems to be effective. He doesn't seem to broken emotionally in his public persona, it's nice that broken/emotional people connect with him.


I can name seven songs, but that's only because they were played to death on hip-hop radio.

Started From The Bottom

Hold On We're Going Home

Hotline Bling

One Dance

God's Plan

Nice For What

In My Feelings (that Keke song)

I'm sure there are numerous other tunes, but a lot of those hits are hip-hop collaborations with other artists that he was featured on. Also, in the era of Spotify it's actually easier to get multiple top ten and top 40 hits at once because an artist will release an album on Spotify and have one huge hit single debut at or near number one while the album tracks debut further down the cart during the first or second week.

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Reply #18 posted 11/03/18 2:08pm

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Uh.......no!

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Reply #19 posted 11/04/18 2:30am

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StrangeButTrue said:

Counterpoint: https://www.sohh.com/funk...ed-rapper/ . I know exactly one Drake song by name, personally. Can someone here name 10 of his apparent collection of top songs without Googling? They don't even need to be from this year. I agree with Flex that it's glorified karaoke written by what could fill a room worth of people. It's nice it seems to be effective. He doesn't seem to broken emotionally in his public persona, it's nice that broken/emotional people connect with him.

Sure I can. Promise I'm not googling

Headlines

In My Feelings

Hotline Bling

Passionfruit

The Motto

Take Care

Marvin's Room

Controlla

One Dance

Fake Love

I'm not even a big fan of his, but he is a very popular artist.

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Reply #20 posted 11/04/18 2:40am

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scratch said:



StrangeButTrue said:


Counterpoint: https://www.sohh.com/funk...ed-rapper/ . I know exactly one Drake song by name, personally. Can someone here name 10 of his apparent collection of top songs without Googling? They don't even need to be from this year. I agree with Flex that it's glorified karaoke written by what could fill a room worth of people. It's nice it seems to be effective. He doesn't seem to broken emotionally in his public persona, it's nice that broken/emotional people connect with him.

Sure I can. Promise I'm not googling



Headlines


In My Feelings


Hotline Bling


Passionfruit


The Motto


Take Care


Marvin's Room


Controlla


One Dance


Fake Love



I'm not even a big fan of his, but he is a very popular artist.

That's the only thing I can agree with here.
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Reply #21 posted 11/04/18 8:28am

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He's big within his demographic. But he's not recognizable outside of that like the Beatles or MJ were. I know his name and what he looks like but can't name a song which is the way it is now. I know these people's faces but can't associate them with their work only their media antics without doing a bunch of Google and YouTube searches which I have no intention of doing. .
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Reply #22 posted 11/04/18 12:38pm

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Reply #23 posted 11/05/18 1:52pm

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Short Dog may have a point when he says "right now." Is any act in piop music clearly bigger?


And it's hard for a lot of us to believe, but many of his younger/youngest fans will hold him in the same esteem the Boomers hold the Beatles and the GenX'ers hold MJ. And they'll be the ones writing music history eventually.

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Reply #24 posted 11/06/18 4:48am

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U cant compare, because to be honest, DRAKE sells nothing compared to those artists, he sells less than New Kids on the Block in their hey day. SO you cant compare, the same nonsense came up with Nicki Minaj having 100 chart entries, I cant tell you 5 of her songs, and most of the population cant. That is also the biggest example, streaming is not SELLING, its a huge difference now, because there are so many outlets you will have tons of people who will never ever hear a DRAKE song its that simple. Regardless of what TOO SHORT says, he has no clue. Look at someone like Becky G this girl is slowly becoming another Nicki Minaj, if you break down the songs she is appearing on AND the fact that she has the latin market, which is the biggest market base now, she actually is reaching more people than Nicki ever did.


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Reply #25 posted 11/06/18 11:10am

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namepeace said:

Short Dog may have a point when he says "right now." Is any act in piop music clearly bigger?


And it's hard for a lot of us to believe, but many of his younger/youngest fans will hold him in the same esteem the Boomers hold the Beatles and the GenX'ers hold MJ. And they'll be the ones writing music history eventually.



I'd say the difference is that the Beatles songs were known to people who were not fans, never owned anything of theirs nor were even in the age brackett when they were at their most popular. Same with MJ, his songs are known to people outside of his fanbase.

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Reply #26 posted 11/07/18 8:23am

namepeace

onlyforaminute said:

namepeace said:

Short Dog may have a point when he says "right now." Is any act in piop music clearly bigger?


And it's hard for a lot of us to believe, but many of his younger/youngest fans will hold him in the same esteem the Boomers hold the Beatles and the GenX'ers hold MJ. And they'll be the ones writing music history eventually.



I'd say the difference is that the Beatles songs were known to people who were not fans, never owned anything of theirs nor were even in the age brackett when they were at their most popular. Same with MJ, his songs are known to people outside of his fanbase.


Fair points.

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Reply #27 posted 11/07/18 11:24am

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onlyforaminute said:

namepeace said:

Short Dog may have a point when he says "right now." Is any act in piop music clearly bigger?


And it's hard for a lot of us to believe, but many of his younger/youngest fans will hold him in the same esteem the Boomers hold the Beatles and the GenX'ers hold MJ. And they'll be the ones writing music history eventually.



I'd say the difference is that the Beatles songs were known to people who were not fans, never owned anything of theirs nor were even in the age brackett when they were at their most popular. Same with MJ, his songs are known to people outside of his fanbase.


Exactly. Until we see Drake's catalog sales match in twenty years, safe to say there is no comparison.

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Reply #28 posted 11/07/18 11:48am

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Cinny said:

onlyforaminute said:



I'd say the difference is that the Beatles songs were known to people who were not fans, never owned anything of theirs nor were even in the age brackett when they were at their most popular. Same with MJ, his songs are known to people outside of his fanbase.


Exactly. Until we see Drake's catalog sales match in twenty years, safe to say there is no comparison.


That's fair, but I wasn't talking about sales or overall impact. I was talking about how Drake's generation(s) of fans will regard him. He will be their Beatles and their MJ, but not necessarily be considered a peer of the Beatles or MJ.

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Reply #29 posted 11/07/18 12:20pm

onlyforaminute

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Cinny said:


Exactly. Until we see Drake's catalog sales match in twenty years, safe to say there is no comparison.


That's fair, but I wasn't talking about sales or overall impact. I was talking about how Drake's generation(s) of fans will regard him. He will be their Beatles and their MJ, but not necessarily be considered a peer of the Beatles or MJ.



Maybe, but fans are fickle. In 20 or 30 years it's hard to say how they'll look back on some of these "icons" will they remember their work or the gossip about them? I'm just saying I'm noticing I know names of these people but it isn't their work that I'm knowing them by it's the tabloid stuff I'm associating with their names.

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