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Reply #30 posted 09/10/18 4:16pm

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CBS is keeping Moonves on for 1 year as an advisor, he will get his own office too. He also will get security for the next 2 years. sad

White male privilege at it's finest. Not surprised. They knew what he was doing and so did his wife Julie.

Julie didn't even show up today on her show. Pisses me off that they are keeping him on as an 'advisor'.


And in all fairness to Julie, some of this happened before they were even together.

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Reply #31 posted 09/10/18 4:27pm

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PennyPurple said:

CBS is keeping Moonves on for 1 year as an advisor, he will get his own office too. He also will get security for the next 2 years. sad



White male privilege at it's finest. Not surprised. They knew what he was doing and so did his wife Julie.

Julie didn't even show up today on her show. Pisses me off that they are keeping him on as an 'advisor'.



And in all fairness to Julie, some of this happened before they were even together.

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It pisses me off too. Julie is only getting what's coming to her. I mean she was Les's mistress for years while he was still married. I don't fell sorry for her. She should leave her man just like she told Camilla Cosby to do.
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Reply #32 posted 09/10/18 4:35pm

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BlackCat1985 said:

PennyPurple said:

Julie didn't even show up today on her show. Pisses me off that they are keeping him on as an 'advisor'.


And in all fairness to Julie, some of this happened before they were even together.

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It pisses me off too. Julie is only getting what's coming to her. I mean she was Les's mistress for years while he was still married. I don't fell sorry for her. She should leave her man just like she told Camilla Cosby to do.

Which is one of the reasons why Holly Robinson-Peete didn't last very long as co-host of The Talk. Because she knew Les when he was with his first wife. Her and Rodney Peete use to attend his house parties together.

So Prince, whom fought 4 his first record deal & got it, fought 4 a movie deal & got it, fought 4 freedom from his WB contract & got it, fought 4 his masters & got them.Gets a curable illness & says 2 himself ok, I'm done. "Life is a Box Of Chocolates"
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Reply #33 posted 09/10/18 4:50pm

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PennyPurple said:

Julie didn't even show up today on her show. Pisses me off that they are keeping him on as an 'advisor'.


And in all fairness to Julie, some of this happened before they were even together.

[Edited 9/10/18 16:18pm]

It pisses me off too. Julie is only getting what's coming to her. I mean she was Les's mistress for years while he was still married. I don't fell sorry for her. She should leave her man just like she told Camilla Cosby to do.

Really? I didn't know that. eek


Sharon Osbourne said on the show today that when there is a shake up there are going to be some changes, I wonder if that change means Julie is off the show?

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Reply #34 posted 09/10/18 6:35pm

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Goddess4Real: How do you feel Les Moonves should pay for what he did to Janet?

Janet should sue for that 100 million dollar pay out. And she should get every penny. He is disgusting!!!

Yuuuup and get an invited back to the Grammys, a redo at the Superbowl, get radio airplay etc and most importantly get public apology by Les Moonves/CBS etc, acknowledging how they conspired to destroy janet's career (but you know that will never happen). And I woudn't be suprised that they were behind her not getting into The Rock'n'Roll Fall of Fame as well hmmm

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Reply #35 posted 09/10/18 6:41pm

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Nice idea thumbs up! lol

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Reply #36 posted 09/10/18 10:39pm

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"Nipplegate" 2: Janet Jackson On Rumored Superbowl Halftime Return https://www.hotnewhiphop....59428.html

A return to the scene of the career-killing crime might have been proposed.

Janet Jackson and Justin Timberlake made headlines with their halftime show during the 2004 Superbowl. Although the incident happened over a decade ago, many people still remember the scandal.

Many fans were upset about how Jackson bore most of the weight of the intense criticism that ensued. Some people felt that Timberlake should do something in order to make it up to his friend and restore balance.

An opportunity did arise when JT was offered this year's halftime show during the same event that disintegrated his relationship with Janet. Inviting her to take part in the event might have been a way to officially make amends in a public manner. Rumors of this move had popped up last winter as people anticipated his performance.

The rumors may have been valid after all. Janet Jackson was asked whether the possibility of her performing with her old collaborator at the time bore any truth.

"We wanted to know, was there ever a chance of – we’ve read so much press – that you were gonna appear at the Super Bowl Halftime with Justin Timberlake? Was that all just fake and made up – or was there ever a conversation?"

The singer gave a slightly enigmatic answer: "I'll just say this: there was a conversation."

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Reply #37 posted 09/11/18 1:28am

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The Damita Joe album was doomed to mediocrity and failure. I don't know anyone who thinks it deserves a spot on a greatest-album list of hers.

Who said it did? Mediocre or not, we'll never know how much better the album could have done had this ass not screwed Janet over. Besides, let's not act as though mediocre albums have not been commercially successful (i.e. nearly every album from a major artist the past 5 years).

Anyway, that's not the point. The point is this man sabatoged somebody's career and reputation for the most petty of reasons; she didn't give a good enough apology. That's BS to the nth degree and Janet is owed a mint in reparations for what this guy did.

I'm not saying that we should put together a nationwide protest and start a GoFundMe page for Janet because that's stupid but she deserves some kind of reimbursement for this whole thing. They can start paying her back properly by having Moonves completely demoted out of CBS.
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Reply #38 posted 09/11/18 5:37am

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So Prince, whom fought 4 his first record deal & got it, fought 4 a movie deal & got it, fought 4 freedom from his WB contract & got it, fought 4 his masters & got them.Gets a curable illness & says 2 himself ok, I'm done. "Life is a Box Of Chocolates"
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Reply #39 posted 09/11/18 7:55am

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PennyPurple said:

I'm surprised he's lasted the last month at his job.

Was he married to Julie Chen when any ot these incidents happened?

Nope, he ditched his first wife for Julie (they married in 2004). And I have noticed when the news broke about her hubby, wouldn't don't dicuss it on The Talk,.....gee I wonder why???? hmmm

I heard Chen was fucking Moonves while he was still married. Doesn't say much about her character.

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Reply #40 posted 09/11/18 8:13am

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Have you guys seen he has resigned admist sexual misconduction allegations?

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Reply #41 posted 09/11/18 8:34am

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Have you guys seen he has resigned admist sexual misconduction allegations?

No they got rid of him, but kept him on as an advisor and they are giving him a new office to boot.

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Reply #42 posted 09/11/18 12:15pm

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PennyPurple said:

Cinny said:

Have you guys seen he has resigned admist sexual misconduction allegations?

No they got rid of him, but kept him on as an advisor and they are giving him a new office to boot.


OK I thought TMZ said resigned. Funny how he wanted to destroy someone for an accidental flash when he deliberately flashed.

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Reply #43 posted 09/11/18 1:36pm

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r u all sure it wasnt her very own voice that did that???

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Reply #44 posted 09/11/18 2:28pm

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So Prince, whom fought 4 his first record deal & got it, fought 4 a movie deal & got it, fought 4 freedom from his WB contract & got it, fought 4 his masters & got them.Gets a curable illness & says 2 himself ok, I'm done. "Life is a Box Of Chocolates"
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Reply #45 posted 09/11/18 8:11pm

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Julie Chen And ‘The Talk’ Co-Hosts React To Moonves Resignation https://newyork.cbslocal....signation/

NEW YORK (CBSNewYork) — Longtime CBS chairman and CEO Leslie Moonves resigned Sunday night, hours after a new article came out detailing new sexual misconduct and assault allegations against him.

On Monday, his wife and host of “The Talk,” Julie Chen, was absent from the show’s season premiere, CBS2’s Alice Gainer reported.

“I’ve never been nervous in my life, but I’m kind of very nervous right now,” Sharon Osbourne said.

Season 9 of “The Talk” kicked off without the co-host and moderator, who released a statement saying, “I am taking a few days off from the talk to be with my family. I will be back soon and will see you Thursday night on ‘Big Brother.'”

The show’s other co-hosts were clearly uncomfortable, but said they had to talk about the issue.

“Just because this hits close to home it doesn’t change this story. All women’s stories matter,” Sara Gilbert explained.

“He’s not been convicted of any crime, but, obviously, the man has a problem,” Osbourne added.

“Today we say enough is enough,” Sheryl Underwood said.

Moonves released a statement Sunday night addressing the latest allegations published in The New Yorker.

“Untrue allegations from decades ago are now being made against me that are not consistent with who I am,” Moonves said. “I am deeply saddened to be leaving the company.”

The CBS board has said it takes those claims very seriously and hired two law firms to investigate. Moonves will not receive any severance benefits at this time, and any payments to be made in the future will depend upon the results of the independent investigation.

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Reply #46 posted 09/12/18 1:17pm

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Reply #47 posted 09/12/18 1:55pm

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Janet done went completely silent hasn't she?

"If you want the wise man to be as angry as the unworthiness of the crimes demands, he must become not angry but insane."
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Reply #48 posted 09/12/18 4:41pm

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According to ET, Julie still isn't back on her talk show, Les and her were seen together today, but a moving van was in front of their home, loading up.

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Reply #49 posted 09/12/18 10:14pm

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The Silent Victims of the Media Baron https://www.theatlantic.c...er/569911/

From the doctor’s office to the pop charts, the CBS chief Les Moonves’s desires and grudges reportedly took a variety of less obvious tolls.

Sex or power. Biology or culture. Inevitable or changeable. These are the dichotomies embedded in the debate around the #MeToo movement. On one side are those who tend to say that power is the issue: Harvey Weinstein abused his status in ways that lay bare larger structural inequalities that should be rectified. Others ask whether the problem isn’t just that Weinstein was a special kind of creep whose alleged crimes do not, perhaps, require a comprehensive referendum on gender and other cultural hierarchies.

In the basket of allegations against the latest and arguably most significant media man to fall, the CBS chief Leslie Moonves, is intelligence that further clarifies the debate. At least 12 women have accused the now-outgoing TV executive of unwanted touching and vindictive reprisals. Certain specifics create a portrait of Moonves that colors even his conduct unrelated to alleged sexual harassment. What unifies the stories is not only how Moonves acted, though. It’s also the effect those actions had.

The New Yorker has broken most of the allegations against Moonves—which have largely been leveled by people in the film and TV industries—but one telling story arrives from elsewhere. “A Physician’s Place in the #MeToo Movement” read the headline on an Annals of Internal Medicine article published last Mayby Anne L. Peters, who recounted an anecdote about a “VIP” patient grabbing and trying to kiss her, and then masturbating in front of her when she rebuffed him. The article didn’t identify the patient, but Vanity Fair’s William D. Cohan was told by a source that it was Moonves, who did visit Peters one time in 1999. In a statement issued through a representative, Moonves then appeared to confirm parts of the story: “The appalling allegations about my conduct toward a female physician some 20 years ago are untrue. What is true, and what I deeply regret, is that I tried to kiss the doctor. Nothing more happened.”

Peters’s narrative is most striking for what happened after the incident she describes:

The next day, the patient called and apologized. He said that he had a terrible problem and that he had done the same thing with many other women. That he basically couldn’t control himself when alone with a woman. I told him that he needed to get counseling immediately and to never allow himself to be alone with a woman in a room. I never directly heard from him again. However, he has become ever more powerful and venerated in his professional world.

A terrible problem, one that he couldn’t control: That is the language of pathology. And Peters’s advice—that the man get help and not allow himself alone with a woman—reads as a prescription. If the patient was indeed Moonves, the accusations reported by Ronan Farrow in The New Yorker clearly suggest what form the “terrible problem,” the putative compulsion, tended to take. In account after account, women in the workplace described Moonves unexpectedly grabbing them and/or kissing them, and then becoming cold and vengeful if they rebuffed him.

But the larger point of Peters’s tale is not simply that the incident happened. It’s that Peters was unable to do much about it because of the power differential involved. Patient confidentiality was one factor: “As a physician, I am legally unable to name the patient who harassed me.” And because the man was so prominent, she was discouraged by her employer from reporting the incident to the police. She considered placing a note in his chart for women not to be alone with him. Otherwise, she stayed silent.

If the patient was in fact Moonves, he would, allegedly, not take the doctor’s orders. Farrow reports two incidents in the 2000s when he cornered and harassed women. One of them, Deborah Green, was a freelance makeup artist who says Moonves forced a kiss on her when they were working together. When she rebuffed him, he told her to pack her bags and leave the office. She was subsequently not booked for any more jobs with CBS executives. “Knowing that Les is powerful is why I didn’t speak out at the time,” she told Farrow. “I was a makeup artist who had no voice.”

Power like Moonves’s can be used to silence in yet-more-direct ways, ways that don’t necessarily have to do with sexual harassment. Take for example the recently reported revelations about the infamous 2004 Super Bowl halftime “wardrobe malfunction” involving Justin Timberlake and Janet Jackson, which happened when Moonves was the head of Viacom. Jackson and Timberlake issued public apologies, saying the nipple reveal was an unplanned mistake that happened when Jackson’s bra “collapsed.” Timberlake’s career more or less continued apace, but Jackson faced long-term damage professionally. Awards-show invites were revoked, her new album was ignored by radio and TV programmers, and the woman who had been one of pop’s great trailblazers was made a national punch line.

According to reporting by HuffPost’s Yashar Ali, the lasting effect on Jackson’s career was attributable in no small part to a personal vendetta held by Moonves. After the halftime show, Timberlake reportedly apologized directly—and “tearfully,” Ali writes—to Moonves. By contrast, Moonves felt that Jackson was “not sufficiently repentant” to him. In retribution, he allegedly barred her from the 2004 Grammys, where she’d been scheduled to appear, and ordered MTV, VH1, and Viacom-owned radio stations not to play her music. Years later, when Jackson signed a book deal with Simon & Schuster—then part of Moonves’s portfolio—he was reportedly enraged. “How the fuck did she slip through?” he asked a staffer.

The reasons for Moonves supposedly blackballing Jackson were, according to Ali’s sources, rather personal: She didn’t repent correctly to him, whereas Timberlake did. But from the outside, the unequal fates of the two stars came to stand in for very broad social inequalities. Jackson, many fans and critics believed, was being shunted into the racist and sexis... archetype. Her troubles were, at least, a sign that women couldn’t expect equal treatment.

“If you consider it 50–50, then I probably got 10 percent of the blame,” Timberlake himself said in a 2006 MTV interview. “I think America is harsher on women. I think America is unfairly harsh on ethnic people.” He was right about that. But Moonves’s alleged involvement puts a fine point on how it can be individuals—whose own biases and bugaboos can be amplified by their holder’s status in a hierarchical system—who perpetuate and feed such unfairness.

Other stories are emerging about Moonves freezing women out of the industry for mysterious reasons. Linda Bloodworth-Thomason, the creator of the hit sitcom Designing Women, writes at The Hollywood Reporter that she found herself serially sabotaged by Moonves, who’d reportedly hated the “loud-mouthed” characters of her show. Stars would express interest in her projects and then find themselves barred from above. Scripts would be praised and then killed. She suspected it was because she was peddling feminist material to an executive interested in, as she puts it, “macho crime shows featuring a virtual genocide of dead naked hotties in morgue drawers.” But even that was just a theory. “It was like a personal vendetta,” she writes, “and I will never know why.”

While the Jackson and Bloodworth-Thomason tales don’t involve harassment, they share much with the other stories being reported about Moonves. Accuser after accuser tells not only of the executive’s violations, but also of Moonves using his influence in the aftermath of those violations to deprive women of work. There’s Deborah Green, who lost jobs once she rejected him. There’s the former assistant Jessica Pallingston, whose attempts at stopping Moonves’s advances made him “cold as ice, hostile, nasty” and whose career in TV then “sort of fell apart.” There’s the actress and writer Illeana Douglas, who lost her sitcom gig after encounters with Moonves. “What happened to me was a sexual assault, and then I was fired for not participating,” she told Farrow.

Why the Moonves departure is not enough

Such allegations are, by now, sadly unsurprising in their contours. For the #MeToo wave has been, in large part, an accounting of grudges held by über-bosses of capitalist-cultural empires against the women who defied them. Ashley Judd saw her reputation slimed by Weinstein to directors and producers across Hollywood. Gretchen Carlson believes that Roger Ailes put a damper on her career when she pushed back against his abuses. When the server Trish Nelson quit her post at the Spotted Pig after the restauranteur Ken Friedman allegedly made a forceful advance on her, she “was terrified to tell anyone why,” as she told The New York Times. “Ken bragged about blacklisting people all the time. And we saw it happen.”

Blacklisting is, of course, an expression of control. It relies on the blacklister having immense influence and sway across an industry. That it is a tool of reprisal and silencing that enables sexual harassment is now clear. The Jackson story, however, also provokes the thought of yet-wider issues due for reckoning. Her difficulties were the subject of books and hashtag campaigns, yet Moonves’s personal role is only now emerging, which suggests just how easily campaigns of revenge can stay hidden. And that Moonves might still exit his post with a $100...ion payout and an advisory role at CBS indicates how entrenched, how nearly untouchable, a figure like him can be.

All of which indicates that the accounting process nearly one year after Harvey Weinstein still has entire realms of abuses to touch on—realms that both do and don’t involve sex. How have barons of industry used their status in other questionable, petty, personal ways that worsen an indefensible status quo? How many careers—women’s careers, especially—have been destroyed for failing to show deference and obedience to a boss whose importance makes him or her seem invulnerable? Such questions hint at why #MeToo has been called a revolution: The movement may be modern, but it is drawing on very old lessons about the perils of power, unchecked.

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Reply #50 posted 09/12/18 11:34pm

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Karma's a b**** and that evil fart's 'bout to get his and then some!!
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Reply #51 posted 09/13/18 4:33am

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Wow, what an Ahole. I'm still super pissed that they didn't totally nix him and gave him an advisory role. I don't think they've been tough enough on him.

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Reply #52 posted 09/13/18 12:48pm

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Janet done went completely silent hasn't she?


No. she is in London doing interviews. But she isn't discussing any of this. I get that she is over it. But I would like for her to stand up for herself. She says silent too often when it comes to things done to her.
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Reply #53 posted 09/13/18 10:54pm

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I use to love watching Designing Women :- what a pig!!!!! Designing Women Creator Linda Bloodworth Thomason Accuses Les Moonves of Ruining Her Career https://people.com/tv/des...-misogyny/

The creator of Designing Women is accusing Les Moonves of misogyny after CBS announced that its former CEO is no longer the head of the network.

Linda Bloodworth Thomason, 71, wrote a searing op-ed for The Hollywood Reporter in which she claims that Moonves, 68, purposely derailed her career.

“I was never sexually harassed or attacked by Les Moonves. My encounters were much more subtle, engendering a different kind of destruction,” she said. She wrote that her career at CBS, crowned by a $50 million contract, was a smashing success before Moonves arrived at the network.

In July, six women accused Moonves...misconduct in a New Yorker report by Ronan Farrow. He has denied all claims of sexual misconduct.

After Moonves’ exit, CBS said that the network and Moonves “will donate $20 million to one or more organizations that support the #MeToo movement and equality for women in the workplace.”

“For the past 24 years it has been an incredible privilege to lead CBS’s renaissance and transformation into a leading global media company. The best part of this journey has been working alongside the dedicated and talented people in this company,” Moonves said in a statement to Variety.He wrote, “Untrue allegations from decades ago are now being made against me that are not consistent with who I am.”

Bloodworth Thomason recalled the time he attended a table read for her pilot. “He sat and stared at me throughout the entire reading with eyes that were stunningly cold, as in, ‘You are so dead.’ I had not experienced such a menacing look since Charles Manson tried to stare me down on a daily basis when I was a young reporter covering that trial,” she alleged.

Bloodworth Thomason continued, “As soon as the pilot was completed, Moonves informed me that it would not be picked up. I was at the pinnacle of my career. I would not work again for seven years.”

She alleged that she repeatedly brought scripts to him, and he rejected every one. She added, “People asked me for years, ‘Where have you been? What happened to you?’ Les Moonves happened to me.”

The cast of Designing Women

Bloodworth Thomason alleged that an unnamed actress told her that Moonves also forcefully kissed her right after telling her that she was too old to appear on CBS. Bloodworth Thomason alleged that after parting ways with CBS officially, Moonves told her agent, “Tell her to go f— herself!”

In September, sources claimed to The Huffington Post that Moonves allegedly sought to curtail Janet J...lbum sales and stopped her from attending the 2004 Grammy Awards after she had a wardrobe malfunction on CBS’s 2004 Super Bowl halftime show.

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Reply #54 posted 09/14/18 6:41am

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Julie Chen did show up last night to Big Brother. I found it interesting that when she signed off she said 'I'm Julie Chen Moonves' normally it's Julie Chen, when she signs off. Looks like she's standing by her man.

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Julie Chen did show up last night to Big Brother. I found it interesting that when she signed off she said 'I'm Julie Chen Moonves' normally it's Julie Chen, when she signs off. Looks like she's standing by her man.


Lucky for her, the guests are not associated with awareness of current events.

I also heard her call Brett "Brent". mad

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Cinny said:

PennyPurple said:

Julie Chen did show up last night to Big Brother. I found it interesting that when she signed off she said 'I'm Julie Chen Moonves' normally it's Julie Chen, when she signs off. Looks like she's standing by her man.


Lucky for her, the guests are not associated with awareness of current events.

I also heard her call Brett "Brent". mad

I heard that too. She seemed nervous.

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Reply #57 posted 09/17/18 8:33pm

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Julie Chen Leaving ‘The Talk’ After Les Moonves’ CBS Exit

Chen was expected to announce her exit Tuesday.

“She has decided that her main focus needs to be clearing her husband’s name from accusations made 25 to 30 years ago and tending to her son,” a source told CNN of Moonves’ wife’s decision to step down from her role as co-host on the CBS daytime talk show

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So Prince, whom fought 4 his first record deal & got it, fought 4 a movie deal & got it, fought 4 freedom from his WB contract & got it, fought 4 his masters & got them.Gets a curable illness & says 2 himself ok, I'm done. "Life is a Box Of Chocolates"
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About 40 minutes in Kathy Griffin talks about Janet.

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I'm not surprised she's leaving The Talk, it really might not have been her idea to leave. Seems to me people are deeming her guilty by associaton, when this occured before she was even with Moonves. But again they probably can't have the head honcho get fired and still have his wife work there.

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