I have just finished watching Buckley's worst songs of 2017 video and #3 was a piece of crap called Gucci Gang, by someone called Lil Pump. He is a 16 - 17 year old white or hispanic child who has a #3 hit with lines like "Gucci gang, gucci gang, gucci gang, I drop 3 racks on a chain, my bitch loves cocaine, and "I fucked a bitch and don't know her name, spent 30 g on Balmains". The rest of the songs is about fucking bitches, glamorising dangerous and noxious drugs and making mad bank yo. One of the lyrics is about him fucking his teacher to pass school.

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This moron claims to go Haravard, yet he is barely 17 and has an album, is touring and a new song called Mollu about the drug. Who the fuck likes this shit, why would some so young be so vulgar and rotten, what is wrong with our society when we patronise a song about a child rooting his teachers, fucking drug addicted whores and having a general fuck you attitude to society?

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I mean the video shows him arriving in a car (Taped when he was 16) with him with some antisocial dreadlocks, walking with a tiger through a school, the song has few lyric, the basicest beat and lasts barely 2 minutes, it is like I could say fuck, smoke drugs a few times to a looped beat and I have a platinum hit. This song is the lowest form of shit ever. What do you all think of it, and why do people like this shit.

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Also pretty stupid is Kodak Black, and Azaleas song about Bounce. What the fuck is wrong with people.

Why no response, I have not said anything racial or otherwise, just that this is a shitty song and it is disturbing that children this young are doing these things.

Rap music has been like this for at least 20 years. Maybe 30.

Anyway, as far as this guy goes, it's all about shock. He's 17 and has face tattoos. Shock! He's 17 and has neck tattoos. Shock!

If you want a laugh, read his wikipedia page. Some other 17-year-old wrote it and it's stupid as all get-out. But shock!

Florida rapper targets WestJet in chart-topping hit

Dispute with airline results in flight ban, epic rap slam


http://www.cbc.ca/news/bu...-1.4450324

Hopefully very soon, commercialised hip hop is sad, but I am more worried about the social damage he is doing, in the song he mentions Mollies, Xanax, Meth and Cocaine and sings about fucking nameless girls and a teacher. He was 16 when he wrote it, and he is festooned in tattoos with skulls and roses, he is probably a cholo or something.

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Would you want your 16 year old kid doing this, and if you have seen some of his other videos, he is shooting guns, dropping cash wads, smacking bitches, swearing, using drugs and even had a zanax cake for his 17th birthday. Where the hell are his parents, on the border or something. How is it he has a beard at 16, and what is it with this Harvard shit. The dude can't even identify the country he is in (America is north of the United states, and other dumb), you have to be 16 to enter university and as far asd I know he has sub high school education.

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He looks like shit, sounds like shit and is shit. Some of these other shit rappers like Kodak Black and Soulja boy suck and are really irresponsible too. Pump did a show with 3 songs showing up 4 hours late, swore at the audience, another time he beat a fan up in public. He is nearly always stoned or drugged out and hardly seen without some lean on him in person. What a fucking waste.

Adorecream said:

Would you want your 16 year old kid doing this, and if you have seen some of his other videos, he is shooting guns, dropping cash wads, smacking bitches, swearing, using drugs and even had a zanax cake for his 17th birthday.

Like in contrast to child actors who do these things in movies & TV shows or kids who play video games like Call Of Dury & GTA that their parents buy for them. Even in Pac Man you have to eat the ghosts or they'll kill you. There's also comic books & comic book movies where a lot of violence is going on. I'd guess Batman & The Avengers are seen and the video games played by more kids and people than know about Lil Pump. What about water guns that look like real guns? When I was a kid the water guns were see though colorful plastic and small.

Adorecream said:

Pump did a show with 3 songs showing up 4 hours late, swore at the audience.

Sounds like Axl Rose, Sly Stone, Lauryn Hill, etc.

Adorecream said:

He is nearly always stoned or drugged out.

That's a lot of people in the past, like Eric Clapton, Black Sabbath/Ozzy Osbourne, Richard Pryor, John Lennon, Eagles, Marvin Gaye, Charlie Parker, Janis Joplin, George Jones, and so on. How many overdosed or were alcoholics over the years? Nicki Sixx actually died from an overdose, but came back from death. A movie is supposed to be made about Mötley Crüe's book The Dirt. It wasn't called "sex, drugs, and rock n roll" for nothing. During the disco era, people did all kinds of things at Studio 54. It doesn't make a lot of sense to blame hip hop for something that has been going on long before it existed. If you watch Behind The Music & Unsung, many of the stories involve drugs or alcohol. People have been getting high for centuries. It's not like those musicians & actors from decades ago lived clean lives (James Brown, Wilson Pickett). Sly Stone, Johnnie Taylor, Jelly Roll Morton, and Johnny Guitar Watson were pimps at one point. The Rat Pack had mafia affiliations, particularly Frank Sinatra. The mafia had its hands in a lot of the entertainment industry, and the mob makes Suge Knight look like a Boy Scout. Also if you look at history in general going back thousands of years before film and sound recordings were invented, those people weren't pure & innocent. If you read the original pre-Disneyfied fairy tales from hundreds of years ago, there's a lot of weird stuff going on there. Same for Shakespeare, but they have you read that stuff in school.

Whatever MickeyDolenz - give me some fucking credit, I know that shit but this is a 16 year old honeychile and he is throwing around shopping bags of marijuana and saying fuck or bitch in every line and is a social parasite.

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Kids watch this crap and then try to emulate it. It also glamourises drug use which is REALLY BAD and destructive, George Jones and all those other people you mentioned were grown ass people and I agree anyone promoting dissolute and shitty lifestyles to dumb ass people deserves censure. Intelligent and mature people can see through stupid songs like this, but the Low IQ, impressionable and child audiences generally can not.

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My guess is Lil Pump will be forgotten in 5 years like Chingy and Chamillionaire, Jibbs, Lil Flip, Rae Smmurda, Silento, Kelly Swag districk and all these other shitty shit hop and trap rap artists.

I thought we all agreed that a song does not make folks do bad things?

morningsong said:

I thought we all agreed that a song does not make folks do bad things?

Remember according to Charlie Manson, The Beatles white album was about a race war. So if people are going to do something, they were likely going to do it anyway.

Who are these so called "stars" that is one thing the internet has done, it has actually given the illusion to many that they matter in the world when they don't. Who cares about lil Pump i mean really, recently there was some guy that died Lil Peep i think his name was , and yes it was sad he was on some medications etc..but the articles described him as a star and famous, I asked 20 people who work in the industry if they had heard of him and none have ever heard the name or knew what a Lil Peep was. He basically was getting hits on "Soundcloud" and free downloads etc...so naturally shit is free people are gonna grab it, but dont start thinking you are somebody. Thats why we have so many of these issues.

nextedition said:

Didnt the older generation say prince playrled the devils music? Getting so tired of one generation saying the next generation sucks so much.

I agree! The next generation after mine didn't suck so much. They sucked so so SOOOOO much!

But you are right - each generation seems to think it's music was the best. And technically speaking, my generation (I'm the same age as Prince) had the best music. What I mean by that is skill level/musicology. Do you think ANY rapper could play ANYTHING that, say, Steely Dan ever recorded? Of course not! And neither could their back-up musicians, such as they are. (For fun sometime, look up Lil Wayne playing the guitar.)

My favorite story about this stuff is the one where when Prince was a young teen, you had to be able to play the guitar solo in "25 or 6 to 4" in order to jam with his garage band. Yes, his GARAGE band. Not the Revolution; not the Time; not even Grand Central. Just the dudes that lived on Prince's street.

If you walked into the garage of just about any of today's "musicians" and layed down that solo as your first set of chops, you'd be worshipped as some sort of guitar god. But back in my day, that was just standard fare, LOL.

Now I know what some will say - "Oh, but you haven't heard so-and-so! He's only 23 but has chops out the wazoo!!!!" I'm sure so-and-so does. That's not my point. My point is that guys who never made it out of their garage back in the '70's would be successful recording musicians today. The depth and breadth of musical talent was much bigger and better than it is today.

But you can do something about it! Pick up the sheet music from the "Purple Rain" album and learn all those songs. Then learn a Steely Dan album and a Boz Scaggs album. I promise you that when you have done that, you will be good enough to make a living playing whatever instrument you play.

And finally, regardless of how I or anyone else feels about which generation's music is better, all that matters is if YOU like the music. Art is subjective and if you think something is good, then it is good.

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RodeoSchro said:

nextedition said:

Didnt the older generation say prince playrled the devils music? Getting so tired of one generation saying the next generation sucks so much.

I agree! The next generation after mine didn't suck so much. They sucked so so SOOOOO much!

But you are right - each generation seems to think it's music was the best. And technically speaking, my generation (I'm the same age as Prince) had the best music. What I mean by that is skill level/musicology. Do you think ANY rapper could play ANYTHING that, say, Steely Dan ever recorded? Of course not! And neither could their back-up musicians, such as they are. (For fun sometime, look up Lil Wayne playing the guitar.)

My favorite story about this stuff is the one where when Prince was a young teen, you had to be able to play the guitar solo in "25 or 6 to 4" in order to jam with his garage band. Yes, his GARAGE band. Not the Revolution; not the Time; not even Grand Central. Just the dudes that lived on Prince's street.

If you walked into the garage of just about any of today's "musicians" and layed down that solo as your first set of chops, you'd be worshipped as some sort of guitar god. But back in my day, that was just standard fare, LOL.

Now I know what some will say - "Oh, but you haven't heard so-and-so! He's only 23 but has chops out the wazoo!!!!" I'm sure so-and-so does. That's not my point. My point is that guys who never made it out of their garage back in the '70's would be successful recording musicians today. The depth and breadth of musical talent was much bigger and better than it is today.

But you can do something about it! Pick up the sheet music from the "Purple Rain" album and learn all those songs. Then learn a Steely Dan album and a Boz Scaggs album. I promise you that when you have done that, you will be good enough to make a living playing whatever instrument you play.

And finally, regardless of how I or anyone else feels about which generation's music is better, all that matters is if YOU like the music. Art is subjective and if you think something is good, then it is good.

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It's all different and cant compare era's because things are different now, how music is sold and made is much more different. Great article in the NY times last week about how most acting schools are going under because the new generation feels they can just get a gig do a viral video and be the next big thing and sorry when you do that to anything you dumb it down and that is happening, the scapegoat is your old you dont get it blah blah fucking blah, but sorry sometimes something is better than another thats just the way it is. And when people hear that they think oh you are putting down a whole generation or era, NO its case by case but dont compare how Paul Simon or Bob Dylan did music to how someone does now by not even picking up a guitar or writing. The process is now different but it will also effect the artistry like it or not.

I was really hoping this would not get sidetracked into generations of music and if we could focus on Lil Pump and these other so called Vine and Soundcloud rappers. I realise we have a core of teens and early 20s here and people like Mickey Dolenz who are over 50 I suspect and think they are still 19.

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I was more shocked at the disgusting lifestyles he is promoting to children, we have had the Just say no to drugs campaign since the 80s, when we were atoning for the stupidity and excesses of the 1970s, and most forms of music avoid drugs over than a bit of grass or booze and then all this rap and dance party music glamourises ectsacy, MDMA or whatever its called, mollies, atterols, fetanyl and all these other prescription or party drugs.

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But trap rap does nothing to disguise this junk, songs about making meth and crack and selling shopping bags of dope, people singing about their next fix and thanks to Bruno Mars and Lil Pump the rsie of 70s/80s disco drug - cocaine. Plus as humans we need to move pass this disgusting phase of tattooing and piercing yourselves, before you all scream "Raciss and thas cultural yo" - yeah maybe to tribal africans and pacific Islanders, but not to urbanised people in the civilised world. Lil Pump is a walking litany of tattoos and piercings and has some dreadlocks that make him look like a fucking love child of a broom and raggedy ann.

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I read about this Lil Perp guy who died of a fetanyl overdose like Prince and some other drugs like Xanax and even read about a rapper dieing from a Lean overdose. Most of the Lil Pump singles show a cartoon fo him looking defiant and holding a cup of lean, usally tattered and covered in stains (Got to be as rebellious as possible).

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Also all you guys going on about stealydan (Who put me to sleep like most meat and potatoes rock of the 1970s and 1980s - I like music with a beat and rhythm. I agree there are no instruments in little p;ump and 99% of trap rap, just looped drum beats and samples. The songwriting is nursery level, with ultra basic repitition, no singing ability, just sweraing and grunting to a drum machine beat. Most of the work in rap videos is on sets, hiring cars, getting bling bling, buying enough brooms from the $1 store to put in Pump's hair and ensuring that cups of lean are being made up and some one is getting the Meth, dope, Fetanyl, cocaine, mollies and zanax ready.

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Like I said 6 years ago, trap rap should be banned and so should any other music that glamorises drugs, calling women bitches, rap, murder and general buffoonery. This neer white mexican is out cooning everyone. Every Black Rapper including even Kodak Black and Lil Wayne is a bazillion quadrillion times more talented than this guy.

Looking at some anti rap threads and surprised that people back in 03were complaining about how destructive chart rap is. Others about how rap should have run its course, but after nearly 40 years it has not. Everytime a rap thread was started it was diverted by people bringing up good and conscious rappers or people being racist against rappers because they were black.

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But this thread shows off a truly irresponsible 17 year old non Black guy (Mexican or Cuban I believe and he looks very white), and he has no skills like the conscious and underground rappers, the songs are cheap as fuck sounding and the lyrics are as generic as hell.

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"Lil Pump, yo yo yo give me a new rap song, one that will change the game - I know lets rap about bitches, drugs and gold chains and then fucking people, taking mollies, cocaine and meth, ain't no one rapped about this shit before" The only funny part is him dissing a Canadaian airline, but the fact this song spent 3 weeks at #3 on the Hot 100, is a sign that if this is the best commercialised chart rap can offer, rap may finally be doomed. You can't go any lower than this shit.

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Threads from 5, 10 and even 15 years ago lamenting about the fads of Trap rap and the Bling Bling sound going soon, have been proven wrong as this track is a marriage of bling bling rap (Gucci, gold chians, balmain), and trap (Mollies, meth, zanax etc). How much longer do we have to wait, as the 2020s approach rap will enter a half century!!!!

I'm amused how they've managed to sell hip hop to the younger generations as "the new thing the old people don't understand" for decades now. You know, we do understand it, it was around when we were young too. We're just old enough to know what stands the test of time and what is just worthless crap.

Adorecream said:

Others about how rap should have run its course, but after nearly 40 years it has not. How much longer do we have to wait, as the 2020s approach rap will enter a half century!!!!

It's here because many people still enjoy it. It's like Super Mario has been around since Donkey Kong in the early 1980s, and he's been in countless video games since. New Mario games are still being made. So you can't blame the rappers, when it's the public that makes it popular, like they make Mario & Air Jordan sneakers popular. If the labels couldn't make a lot of money off of hip hop from the mainstream, it would be down with jazz or zydeco, something a niche audience is into. There's people who haven't lived in a world where hip hop hasn't existed. How long has rock n roll existed before it finally lost Top 40 popularity in the mainstream? 45+ years, when the younger generations took over from the baby boomers. Rap replaced it. There's also the case that rap has appealed to many more different kinds of people, races & ethnicities than rock. The majority of rock fans in the US were white males, which is the majority of the acts inducted in the Rock n Roll Hall Of Fame. Hip hop is also in fashion, TV, comic books, and movies. Rappers (Queen Latifah, Fresh Prince, LL Cool J, Ice Cube, Marky Mark, Ice T. etc) have become successful actors in a way that others like Mick Jagger, Prince, Michael Jackson, Elvis Presley, Madonna, Ringo Starr, etc never really did. Elvis movies made money for awhile, but he was never really taken seriously because of the movies Colonel Parker got for him. Snoop Dogg has a cooking show with Martha Stewart, and you can't get more mainstream than Martha. The Roots is the house band on the Tonight Show. Epic Rap Battles Of History is popular, and Weird Al's most successful song is a rap one White & Nerdy. Chance The Rapper, Jay Z, Nicki Minaj, Bell Biv DeVoe, and other hip hop related acts have been invited to the White House by Obama. BBD performed Poison there. There's rappers in many countries all over the world. It's not going to die off anytime soon. Anyway if you don't pay attention to it, you don't have to wait for anything. Let people who enjoy hip hop listen to it.

It should be like Mario or aviation, improving upon itself with new innovations. It really should. Or Air Jordans. If hip hop were really like Air Jordans it would become better and more revered, instead it went official and embraced what are actually Aire Jordins sold on Canal Street. Cheap, flimsy, shiny, poorly constructed yet showy someone with no substance.

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Instead its on a basically reverse trajectory where it is almost becoming a parody of itself. They're not telling stories they are making homemade porn audio for jollies/instant gratification. You used to have to listen over and over to get the lyric right then find its context, now just Google it and assume the site with the lyrics knows whats true. Because its literal, there is no subtle.

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In 2017 folks actually mocked legendary, groundbreaking rap icon Q-Tip of A Tribe Called Quest relentlessly online for feeling upset about not being nominated for a Grammy.

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"Yesterday we was on y’all stage, y’all fuckin busted y’all ass to try and get us out there and perform! You think a n***a wanted to fuckin' go out there and perform after I lost my man? We closed y’all show and we don’t get no fucking nominations? The last Tribe album? My man is gone! We been doing this shit for fucking years! Y’all n****s don't fuckin' recognize.”

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Its not impromptu, its not made "on the streets" or by people "from the streets". All that crap is just legend. Now you have "Lil" rappers who are somehow "street" despite having releases that date back to their pre-teen years (where they were doing basically the same thing).

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Computers revolutionized the whole thing but made many artists become super lazy and convinced of their unproven genius as a result. Its escapism nonsense for kids that are inundated with "creative content" (which music is and has always been) in $200 headphones to air rap aggressively and wag their hands at each other.

Thats not a lawn, thats just a bunch of rocks where the grass used to be

MickyDolenz said:

As I respect your depth and breadth of musical knowledge, I would like to you how you feel about today's musicians and their proficiency vs. say, 30 to 40 years ago?

Do you think there are as many young musicians today who could play what most young musicians in the '60's and 70's could play back then?

This goes to my Cardi B thread.

All these Lil Pump's, Lil Yachti's, Lil Shit's whatever. They all sound shitty, they all look the same with the Tattoos on their faces. People like this are the reason why my generation gets shamed and laughed at.

And what the eff is up with them damn grillz? What the hell is this shit? You idiots look like you never brushed your mothereffin teeth. Might as well could call yourselves Lil' stinky breath, 'cause that's what you look like with those grillz.

Okay, to each their own, but who in this world actually listens to that crap?

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RodeoSchro said:

Do you think there are as many young musicians today who could play what most young musicians in the '60's and 70's could play back then?

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Oooh ooh I got this one. Your argument is flawed because they don't need to! Apple done fixed that.

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Do you think the young musicians in the 60s and 70s could digitally alter sound waves on their Macbooks and arrange them in a repetitive fashion similar to the amazing innovations of many of today's young "musicians"?

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ThatWhiteDude said:

And what the eff is up with them damn grillz?

Madonna

Jill Scott

Rihanna

Beyoncé

Katy Perry

Hulk Hogan

Miley Cyrus

Erykah Badu

Tracee Ellis Ross

Jada Pinkett Smith

Holy Sh*t

MickyDolenz said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

And what the eff is up with them damn grillz?

Madonna

Jill Scott

Rihanna

Beyoncé

Katy Perry

Hulk Hogan

Miley Cyrus

Erykah Badu

Tracee Ellis Ross

Jada Pinkett Smith

this is the new culture, the new trend

it's also a global thing not just usa