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Reply #30 posted 10/04/17 2:17pm

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Tell it RJOrion. Better act like ya know....musicology up in here.

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Reply #31 posted 10/04/17 2:20pm

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Original is ten minutes of unapologetic Minneapolis Funk and Jesse Johnson throws down a MEAN guitar solo

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Reply #32 posted 10/04/17 6:22pm

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Reply #34 posted 10/04/17 6:24pm

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Tell it RJOrion. Better act like ya know....musicology up in here.


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Reply #35 posted 10/04/17 6:27pm

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Reply #36 posted 10/06/17 9:37am

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Even if everything Alexander said was true, it only means Prince was flawed.

We knew that already.

It was over 30 years ago.

You've spoken your peace, Alexander.

Best of luck.

Good night, sweet Prince | 7 June 1958 - 21 April 2016

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Reply #37 posted 10/06/17 1:25pm

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Adorecream said:

Alex pissed off too as his career never went beyond a few R and B hits in the mid 80s, few people outside of the music cognoscenti and African Americans have heard. The only song of his I have heard is Fake and I don't even think it is very good.

Seriously? You never heard "If You Were Here Tonight" and "Innocent"? Those are great songs.



Sorry I'm late to the party!


Just to weigh in, Adorecream, you REALLY need to listen to "If You Were Here Tonight" (with some good headphones) or otherwise when it is completely silent around you. IMHO this is one of the best R & B love songs ever made. Incredibly beautiful and passionate. "If You Were Here Tonight" is in the upper pantheon of baby-making music! Also, "All True Man" deserves a definite listen. The writing and production and passion with which he sings these 2 love songs is awesome, and he has a voice that is all his own. NO ONE sounds like him. These 2 songs are everything GREAT about Alexander O'neal, IMHO.

Even though "Saturday Love" is a duet with Cherelle, it is a great duet.

Otherwise, seeing Alexander O'neal as The Time frontman sounds like peanut butter and honey. (Doesn't go together.)

And I too recall Jimmy Jam saying Alexander O'neal got dropped because he had all these big material demands about what he had to have before he would be a part of Prince's vision for The Time, and it was a complete deal breaker for Prince (with regard to Alexander O'neal).

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Reply #38 posted 10/10/17 4:23am

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namepeace said:

Even if everything Alexander said was true, it only means Prince was flawed.

We knew that already.

It was over 30 years ago.

You've spoken your peace, Alexander.

Best of luck.

But it is not true. Alex ranted and raved at that meeting and according to Morris Prince did not respond at all. Only calling Morris later to say that Alex was out.

Alex simply wanted to much money and the budget was just not there for the project.

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Reply #39 posted 10/10/17 8:12am

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laurarichardson said:

namepeace said:

Even if everything Alexander said was true, it only means Prince was flawed.

We knew that already.

It was over 30 years ago.

You've spoken your peace, Alexander.

Best of luck.

But it is not true. Alex ranted and raved at that meeting and according to Morris Prince did not respond at all. Only calling Morris later to say that Alex was out.

Alex simply wanted to much money and the budget was just not there for the project.


OK. So he's ranted and raved at Prince, who's no longer here to respond, and wouldn't even if he were. Hopefully Alex will move on now.

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Reply #40 posted 10/10/17 4:40pm

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In the Ben Greenberg book it says there was a disagreement over Alexander's work habits (Lacking and not as dedicated as Prince's) and also his weed habits (Obviously Alexander was not willing to give it up to be part of the Prince camp).

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Reply #41 posted 10/10/17 6:00pm

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Adorecream said:

In the Ben Greenberg book it says there was a disagreement over Alexander's work habits (Lacking and not as dedicated as Prince's) and also his weed habits (Obviously Alexander was not willing to give it up to be part of the Prince camp).

How could it be a disagreement over his work habits when he never even made into the group?

Listen to Morris talk about this on the Original 7 doc.

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Reply #42 posted 10/10/17 6:09pm

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In his Unsung episode,Alex said this about Prince: “Prince is only “black” when it’s convenient for him to be” eek
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Reply #43 posted 10/10/17 8:21pm

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laurarichardson said:

Adorecream said:

In the Ben Greenberg book it says there was a disagreement over Alexander's work habits (Lacking and not as dedicated as Prince's) and also his weed habits (Obviously Alexander was not willing to give it up to be part of the Prince camp).

How could it be a disagreement over his work habits when he never even made into the group?

Listen to Morris talk about this on the Original 7 doc.

Prince may have been looking at his work habits in Flyte Time and may he showed up late to the meeting or something. The worst thing one could do in Prince's group was be late.

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I agree too, it was about paper, Prince was going to pay them scale or minimum wage, mostly as he was not really making much money himself at the time. One book mentions the Time got $145 a week each during the Contriversy tour, that is pretty low even by 1981 Chitlin circuit standards.

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Reply #44 posted 10/10/17 8:57pm

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paisleypark4 said:

Original is ten minutes of unapologetic Minneapolis Funk and Jesse Johnson throws down a MEAN guitar solo

That's actually Jellybean Johnson playing that solo on Innocent, Bean wrecked shop with that one

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Reply #45 posted 10/10/17 9:47pm

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Abdul said:



paisleypark4 said:




Original is ten minutes of unapologetic Minneapolis Funk and Jesse Johnson throws down a MEAN guitar solo





That's actually Jellybean Johnson playing that solo on Innocent, Bean wrecked shop with that one



Oh snaps. My bad. They play like in sound
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Reply #46 posted 10/11/17 1:41am

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Adorecream said:



laurarichardson said:




Adorecream said:


In the Ben Greenberg book it says there was a disagreement over Alexander's work habits (Lacking and not as dedicated as Prince's) and also his weed habits (Obviously Alexander was not willing to give it up to be part of the Prince camp).



How could it be a disagreement over his work habits when he never even made into the group?


Listen to Morris talk about this on the Original 7 doc.



Prince may have been looking at his work habits in Flyte Time and may he showed up late to the meeting or something. The worst thing one could do in Prince's group was be late.


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I agree too, it was about paper, Prince was going to pay them scale or minimum wage, mostly as he was not really making much money himself at the time. One book mentions the Time got $145 a week each during the Contriversy tour, that is pretty low even by 1981 Chitlin circuit standards.


--It was Alex screaming ha wanted millions of dollars it was not because he was late and Prince told Brownmark that if the Controversy album did not do well it was going to be the last album. Prince was in a lot of debt to the WB per Jimmy Jam so theTine was being paid what he could afford at the time.
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Reply #47 posted 10/11/17 3:42pm

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Adorecream said:

SoulAlive said:

Seriously? You never heard "If You Were Here Tonight" and "Innocent"? Those are great songs.

No, I live in New Zealand, obscure R and B is not promoted here. We only hear the big pop smashes.

Oddly, Alex hit big over here in the UK with "Criticize". It crossed over to the top 10 pop and still gets played alot on mainstream radio to this day! It did better here then in the US.

I love the fact that "Criticize" is about the only hit single Alex had that was not written by Jam and Lewis. Alex and Jellybean wrote that one. Lisa Keith's backing vocals are like butter too.

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Reply #48 posted 10/11/17 7:01pm

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thesexofit said:



Adorecream said:




SoulAlive said:




Seriously? You never heard "If You Were Here Tonight" and "Innocent"? Those are great songs.



No, I live in New Zealand, obscure R and B is not promoted here. We only hear the big pop smashes.



Oddly, Alex hit big over here in the UK with "Criticize". It crossed over to the top 10 pop and still gets played alot on mainstream radio to this day! It did better here then in the US.



I love the fact that "Criticize" is about the only hit single Alex had that was not written by Jam and Lewis. Alex and Jellybean wrote that one. Lisa Keith's backing vocals are like butter too.





“Criticize” is my favorite Alex song
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Reply #49 posted 10/12/17 3:04am

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Adorecream said:

Okay maybe people like Morris, Lisa and Wendy contributed more, but the rest merely played his music and from what I have read, he was a good employer, people staying on the payroll long after they had left groups (Bobby Z, Dez) and yes he was hard, but he had to be. Prince wanted people who could play well and meet his high standards. He also at least before the 2000s expected total professionalism, no distractions like drinking, groupies and drugs and good habits. Strange for most drugged out rock and rollers but normal for Prince.

The lead singer of the Stokes was like that too, so I've heard.

Alex pissed off too as his career never went beyond a few R and B hits in the mid 80s, few people outside of the music cognoscenti and African Americans have heard. The only song of his I have heard is Fake and I don't even think it is very good.

Alex was on a lot of drugs too, from what I heard, and that may have messed up his career.

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Reply #50 posted 10/12/17 1:30pm

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Alex was on a lot of drugs too, from what I heard, and that may have messed up his career.

No doubt about that, it was mentioned in the Unsung ep dedicated to him (and Cherelle).

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Reply #51 posted 10/14/17 12:03am

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Man, back in the day Alexander O'Neal's musical output was the bizness...Period.


As far as getting fired by Prince? Well, to be honest, i think he probably should be glad that he was fired. Overall, i think he had a better solo career than most of the Prince associated artists.


What mainly derailed Alexander's career was(is) drugs.
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Reply #52 posted 10/14/17 1:49am

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Wintermute1 said:

Adorecream said:

Okay maybe people like Morris, Lisa and Wendy contributed more, but the rest merely played his music and from what I have read, he was a good employer, people staying on the payroll long after they had left groups (Bobby Z, Dez) and yes he was hard, but he had to be. Prince wanted people who could play well and meet his high standards. He also at least before the 2000s expected total professionalism, no distractions like drinking, groupies and drugs and good habits. Strange for most drugged out rock and rollers but normal for Prince.

The lead singer of the Stokes was like that too, so I've heard.

Alex pissed off too as his career never went beyond a few R and B hits in the mid 80s, few people outside of the music cognoscenti and African Americans have heard. The only song of his I have heard is Fake and I don't even think it is very good.

Alex was on a lot of drugs too, from what I heard, and that may have messed up his career.

He ruled with an Iron fist

5,2 and could make most people step down with an eyeglance if he wanted

Blows my mind to think how much Power Prince had in his possession.

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Reply #53 posted 10/14/17 3:18am

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Lovejunky said:

Wintermute1 said:

Alex was on a lot of drugs too, from what I heard, and that may have messed up his career.

He ruled with an Iron fist

5,2 and could make most people step down with an eyeglance if he wanted

Blows my mind to think how much Power Prince had in his possession.

Exactly, as much as I loved Prince and his music, I would never want to go on his payroll as he was known to be a hard ass, who took no crap from anyone, his word was law and Prince spoke to you, not you to him. Also all of these books talk about how even Wendy and Lisa had to put up with disarmingly friendly Prince one minute and then the "Okay, shut up, go over there and play your instrument as directed" Prince the next.

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Reply #54 posted 10/14/17 8:12am

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Man, back in the day Alexander O'Neal's musical output was the bizness...Period.


As far as getting fired by Prince? Well, to be honest, i think he probably should be glad that he was fired. Overall, i think he had a better solo career than most of the Prince associated artists.


What mainly derailed Alexander's career was(is) drugs.
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Reply #55 posted 10/15/17 7:23am

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Criticize..It's funny and cool at the same time... I'm torn.

I was shocked when I learned that Lisa Keith was Caucasian.

"I'm fed-up cause all you wanna do is Criticize!!"

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Reply #56 posted 10/15/17 7:26am

Linn4days

That video is hilarious

"If You Were Here Tonight"

Slick-back shag... lol lol lol

They would've been "The Bed-Time"

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Reply #57 posted 10/15/17 7:33am

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Adorecream said:

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Alex pissed off too as his career never went beyond a few R and B hits in the mid 80s, few people outside of the music cognoscenti and African Americans have heard. The only song of his I have heard is Fake and I don't even think it is very good.

Yuppie Caucasians in my section sang every lyric to "Saturday Love" when Alex was Cherelle's surprise-guest a stadium when I was a boy.

They sang-it to each other.. They danced, and screamed the loudest when he appeared on the stage after her opening set back then.

The end part....I could hear nothing..it was too loud. the crowd.

He was huge in England.. Wasn't he?

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Reply #58 posted 10/16/17 5:01pm

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This guy is STILL crying about this decades later? FOH. ohgoon The man should be proud that he had the decent R&B (yet short lived) career that he had and move the fuck on. These ex-affiliated bandmates with axes to grind need to either get over their themselves or use their insurance to see a therapist. Anything to quit their silly whining.

I will forever love and miss you...my sweet Prince.
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