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Reply #30 posted 04/09/17 10:13am

mjscarousal

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I think someone who has all these secret marriages is entering into something they know will end soon

Janet has always been private and likes to keep her personal life out of the spot light.

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Reply #31 posted 04/09/17 10:20am

mjscarousal

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Either this is true or it's some PR stunt. Btw, I agree with MJ Carousel. I have always thought and said that Janet didn't look happy in this marriage. She looked as if Wissam was controlling her. IMO, Janet has always been "controlled" by the men she has been with. I just wonder if Wissam will allow her to take the baby without a fight.

Janet looked more happier when she was dating JD.

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Reply #32 posted 04/09/17 10:34am

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I'm inclined to believe this is true. If so, then God bless to both of them. It's just a shame that this had to happen AFTER they have a child.
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Reply #33 posted 04/09/17 10:38am

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If she had a child that is the only sympathetic character in this entire scenario. Hope she got a prenup or soon you guys will be buying tickets to see some lip syncing.
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Reply #34 posted 04/09/17 11:26am

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If she had a child that is the only sympathetic character in this entire scenario. Hope she got a prenup or soon you guys will be buying tickets to see some lip syncing.

Two bilionaires marry but somehow don't have a prenup. Sure. lol

I hope this means she is inspired to make some new music in the next few years.

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Reply #35 posted 04/09/17 11:30am

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First, I don't know what the hell this story has to do with Michael Jackson. Dude's dead, been dead, gonna stay dead. Makes no sense.

Second, no it's not a "publicity stunt". It's like people say that because they have no other thought in their head. Publicity for what? Ol' girl is fiercely private, and she has a three-month-old baby. She's also rich as fuck. What the hell does she need a tabloid sniffing around her business on purpose for??

Third, "she looked unhappy". Y'all realize a photo is a millisecond of a whole day, right? There are 86,400 seconds in a day. A photo is an incredibly small fraction of that, and suddenly "She's unhappy"? With three dozen photographers in your face, flashing lights from their cameras, you aren't smiling and posing. You're just trying to walk, find the pavement, and not fall down in order to get to your destination (either get inside wherever you're headed or get to the car). Janet has a solemn resting bitch face, as do a lot of folks. Doesn't mean they're unhappy.

Fourth, a marriage isn't "secret". It just means it's not your business who someone marries. Sure, she shared it, but because she's not live-streaming her home 24/7 doesn't mean she's in a secret marriage. It means it's her damn business. I thought this was simple to understand. She was smart to stay married to Rene and not publicize it. Even though it wasn't the age of the internet, there still would have been tremendous tabloid attention around it, and that kills almost every marriage in Hollywood. So it's not a "secret marriage" - that's a tabloid term - it's just someone trying to protect their lives.

Lastly, we have no evidence she suffers from depression, moved too fast from one relationship to another (dates schmates, you don't know a person's heart, conversations, or otherwise). We also have no evidence she's not happy with her life or career. She has clout and money and a brand name - she could do just about anything she wanted. But at 50 years old (I'm a year away from that number), sometimes you just wanna sit down for a while, have a cup of tea. Janet certainly has other things going on in her life, but she could live anywhere, have anyone around she wants, and handle anything she does or doesn't want to in order to achieve her own happiness.

The conjecture is worse that the "Prince knew he was going to die so he gave up the ghost in an elevator after recording 'that's it' at the end of 'Big City', then he put his clothes on backwards to say hi to fans before leaving notes about the museum" conspiracy bullshit. Let's just breathe, and wait to hear it from her lips.



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Reply #36 posted 04/09/17 11:31am

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mjscarousal said:


Janet IMO is suffering from depression (whether this story is true or not). IMO she rushed into marriage with Wissam soon after breaking up with Jermaine Durpri which was a 8 year relationship. She began dating Wissam the same year she broke up with Jermaine. I think she is not happy with a lot of things (her career, the way the industry/media treated and treats her; indifference and non chalant attitude about her achievements and career; family issues, etc) Her actions over the years show that she is really going through it and I personally don't think her marriage to Wissam is helping matters because she never seems happy with him (maybe she is but I get a sense she is not). Being reclusive and private doesn't necessarily mean you are happy and just living a "quiet life".



Everything in this post you just made up, you don't know the woman, you don't know anything about it.


Just let the woman be.



Exactly.
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Reply #37 posted 04/09/17 11:35am

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mjscarousal said:


Janet looked more happier when she was dating JD.



And yet they broke up and she never got pregnant when she was with him.
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Reply #38 posted 04/09/17 11:47am

mjscarousal

PatrickS77 said:

mjscarousal said:

Janet looked more happier when she was dating JD.

And yet they broke up and she never got pregnant when she was with him.

That doesn't mean at some point or another she wasn't happy with him and she looked visibly happy with him.

[Edited 4/9/17 11:48am]

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Reply #39 posted 04/09/17 11:53am

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mjscarousal said:

PatrickS77 said:

mjscarousal said: And yet they broke up and she never got pregnant when she was with him.

That doesn't mean at some point or another she wasn't happy with him and she looked visibly happy with him.

[Edited 4/9/17 11:48am]

It means that pictures mean nothing.

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Reply #40 posted 04/09/17 11:58am

mjscarousal

PatrickS77 said:

mjscarousal said:

That doesn't mean at some point or another she wasn't happy with him and she looked visibly happy with him.

[Edited 4/9/17 11:48am]

It means that pictures mean nothing.

Janet said that she loved JD because he stuck by her and helped her feel better about her body. She said that herself. My opinion is not strictly based on photos.

I wish Janet and her child nothing but the best and I want Janet to be happy.

[Edited 4/9/17 11:58am]

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Reply #41 posted 04/09/17 11:58am

Free2BMe

mjscarousal said:



TrivialPursuit said:


First, I don't know what the hell this story has to do with Michael Jackson. Dude's dead, been dead, gonna stay dead. Makes no sense.

Second, no it's not a "publicity stunt". It's like people say that because they have no other thought in their head. Publicity for what? Ol' girl is fiercely private, and she has a three-month-old baby. She's also rich as fuck. What the hell does she need a tabloid sniffing around her business on purpose for??

Third, "she looked unhappy". Y'all realize a photo is a millisecond of a whole day, right? There are 86,400 seconds in a day. A photo is an incredibly small fraction of that, and suddenly "She's unhappy"? With three dozen photographers in your face, flashing lights from their cameras, you aren't smiling and posing. You're just trying to walk, find the pavement, and not fall down in order to get to your destination (either get inside wherever you're headed or get to the car). Janet has a solemn resting bitch face, as do a lot of folks. Doesn't mean they're unhappy.

Fourth, a marriage isn't "secret". It just means it's not your business who someone marries. Sure, she shared it, but because she's not live-streaming her home 24/7 doesn't mean she's in a secret marriage. It means it's her damn business. I thought this was simple to understand. She was smart to stay married to Rene and not publicize it. Even though it wasn't the age of the internet, there still would have been tremendous tabloid attention around it, and that kills almost every marriage in Hollywood. So it's not a "secret marriage" - that's a tabloid term - it's just someone trying to protect their lives.

Lastly, we have no evidence she suffers from depression, moved too fast from one relationship to another (dates schmates, you don't know a person's heart, conversations, or otherwise). We also have no evidence she's not happy with her life or career. She has clout and money and a brand name - she could do just about anything she wanted. But at 50 years old (I'm a year away from that number), sometimes you just wanna sit down for a while, have a cup of tea. Janet certainly has other things going on in her life, but she could live anywhere, have anyone around she wants, and handle anything she does or doesn't want to in order to achieve her own happiness.

The conjecture is worse that the "Prince knew he was going to die so he gave up the ghost in an elevator after recording 'that's it' at the end of 'Big City', then he put his clothes on backwards to say hi to fans before leaving notes about the museum" conspiracy bullshit. Let's just breathe, and wait to hear it from her lips.




No one mentioned Michael at all in this thread. Also, I never said that Janet is clinically depressed. I said IMO I think she is unhappy and experiencing depression I never said it was a FACT but given the way she has treated her career and her career decisions, her actions show some thing might be going on behind the scenes IMO. She also doesnt look happy to me and I am entitled to have that opinion. That doesn't mean I am calling anything a fact.



She broke up with Jermaine in 2009 and beganpublicly dating Wissam the same year. She actually meant Wissam in 2006 and they exchanged info while she was dating JD (I actually just recently found this out from Janet stans)



There is nothing wrong with discussing and giving opinions on what might be happening. That doesn't mean anyone is calling anything a fact or jumping to conclusions. This is a discussion board and just as you are expressing your opinions, others are entitled too as well.

[Edited 4/9/17 10:09am]



Exactly. Who the f**k brought Michael into this conversation; except, this idiot who brought him up? This conversation has nothing to do with Michael. Btw, Janet DID look happier with Jermaine Dupri. She even stated that her family really liked him. She and Jermaine did an interview with Larry King and he asked her if she and Jermaine were going to get married. Janet stated that Jermaine had Not asked her to marry him. IMO, if he had asked her , she would have married him. However, Janet fans didn't like JD, because they thought he didn't look "good enough" for them and for Janet. They liked the idea of her being with a "billionaire" and so did Janet.
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Reply #42 posted 04/09/17 12:00pm

Free2BMe

Free2BMe said:

mjscarousal said:



TrivialPursuit said:


First, I don't know what the hell this story has to do with Michael Jackson. Dude's dead, been dead, gonna stay dead. Makes no sense.

Second, no it's not a "publicity stunt". It's like people say that because they have no other thought in their head. Publicity for what? Ol' girl is fiercely private, and she has a three-month-old baby. She's also rich as fuck. What the hell does she need a tabloid sniffing around her business on purpose for??

Third, "she looked unhappy". Y'all realize a photo is a millisecond of a whole day, right? There are 86,400 seconds in a day. A photo is an incredibly small fraction of that, and suddenly "She's unhappy"? With three dozen photographers in your face, flashing lights from their cameras, you aren't smiling and posing. You're just trying to walk, find the pavement, and not fall down in order to get to your destination (either get inside wherever you're headed or get to the car). Janet has a solemn resting bitch face, as do a lot of folks. Doesn't mean they're unhappy.

Fourth, a marriage isn't "secret". It just means it's not your business who someone marries. Sure, she shared it, but because she's not live-streaming her home 24/7 doesn't mean she's in a secret marriage. It means it's her damn business. I thought this was simple to understand. She was smart to stay married to Rene and not publicize it. Even though it wasn't the age of the internet, there still would have been tremendous tabloid attention around it, and that kills almost every marriage in Hollywood. So it's not a "secret marriage" - that's a tabloid term - it's just someone trying to protect their lives.

Lastly, we have no evidence she suffers from depression, moved too fast from one relationship to another (dates schmates, you don't know a person's heart, conversations, or otherwise). We also have no evidence she's not happy with her life or career. She has clout and money and a brand name - she could do just about anything she wanted. But at 50 years old (I'm a year away from that number), sometimes you just wanna sit down for a while, have a cup of tea. Janet certainly has other things going on in her life, but she could live anywhere, have anyone around she wants, and handle anything she does or doesn't want to in order to achieve her own happiness.

The conjecture is worse that the "Prince knew he was going to die so he gave up the ghost in an elevator after recording 'that's it' at the end of 'Big City', then he put his clothes on backwards to say hi to fans before leaving notes about the museum" conspiracy bullshit. Let's just breathe, and wait to hear it from her lips.




No one mentioned Michael at all in this thread. Also, I never said that Janet is clinically depressed. I said IMO I think she is unhappy and experiencing depression I never said it was a FACT but given the way she has treated her career and her career decisions, her actions show some thing might be going on behind the scenes IMO. She also doesnt look happy to me and I am entitled to have that opinion. That doesn't mean I am calling anything a fact.



She broke up with Jermaine in 2009 and beganpublicly dating Wissam the same year. She actually meant Wissam in 2006 and they exchanged info while she was dating JD (I actually just recently found this out from Janet stans)



There is nothing wrong with discussing and giving opinions on what might be happening. That doesn't mean anyone is calling anything a fact or jumping to conclusions. This is a discussion board and just as you are expressing your opinions, others are entitled too as well.

[Edited 4/9/17 10:09am]



Exactly. Who the f**k brought Michael into this conversation; except, this idiot who brought him up? This conversation has nothing to do with Michael. Btw, Janet DID look happier with Jermaine Dupri. She even stated that her family really liked him. She and Jermaine did an interview with Larry King and he asked her if she and Jermaine were going to get married. Janet stated that Jermaine had Not asked her to marry him. IMO, if he had asked her , she would have married him. However, Janet fans didn't like JD, because they thought he didn't look "good enough" for them and for Janet. They liked the idea of her being with a "billionaire"(Wissam)and so did Janet.
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Reply #43 posted 04/09/17 12:08pm

thedoorkeeper

Just watched the video for What Have You Done For Me Lately & Janet had real chemistry & looked so happy with her dancing partner - that's who she should have married. They could have had beautiful dancing babies together.
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Reply #44 posted 04/09/17 12:14pm

SoulAlive

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Just watched the video for What Have You Done For Me Lately & Janet had real chemistry & looked so happy with her dancing partner - that's who she should have married. They could have had beautiful dancing babies together.

eek you do realize that her dancing partner in that video is now a.......woman?!

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Reply #45 posted 04/09/17 12:17pm

mjscarousal

Free2BMe said:

mjscarousal said:

No one mentioned Michael at all in this thread. Also, I never said that Janet is clinically depressed. I said IMO I think she is unhappy and experiencing depression I never said it was a FACT but given the way she has treated her career and her career decisions, her actions show some thing might be going on behind the scenes IMO. She also doesnt look happy to me and I am entitled to have that opinion. That doesn't mean I am calling anything a fact.

She broke up with Jermaine in 2009 and beganpublicly dating Wissam the same year. She actually meant Wissam in 2006 and they exchanged info while she was dating JD (I actually just recently found this out from Janet stans)

There is nothing wrong with discussing and giving opinions on what might be happening. That doesn't mean anyone is calling anything a fact or jumping to conclusions. This is a discussion board and just as you are expressing your opinions, others are entitled too as well.

[Edited 4/9/17 10:09am]

Exactly. Who the f**k brought Michael into this conversation; except, this idiot who brought him up? This conversation has nothing to do with Michael. Btw, Janet DID look happier with Jermaine Dupri. She even stated that her family really liked him. She and Jermaine did an interview with Larry King and he asked her if she and Jermaine were going to get married. Janet stated that Jermaine had Not asked her to marry him. IMO, if he had asked her , she would have married him. However, Janet fans didn't like JD, because they thought he didn't look "good enough" for them and for Janet. They liked the idea of her being with a "billionaire" and so did Janet.

Agree, I honestly do not know why this thread is going toward such a hostile direction when people are just giving their opinions and speculating until a confirmation is made. shrug Nobody mentioned MJ so not sure why that poster brought him up or his death. Nobody is bashing Janet, everyone is concerned and trying to figure out what is going on and just giving opinions.

But anyway, I agree with this entire post. However, JD told Wendy Williams that he did propose to Janet so I wonder why Janet did not accept his proposal and I always have found it strange that Janet fans hated JD so much when he supported Janet through the super bowl ordeal, through her weight gain, tours, etc. Janet also thanked JD for making her feel comfortable about her body and who she was as a person. Janet also admired how JD respect her family, your right. Now, JD was not perfect I admit that but Janet did at some point love and care about him and he did loved her as well, imo.

[Edited 4/9/17 12:17pm]

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Reply #46 posted 04/09/17 12:19pm

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mjscarousal said:

PatrickS77 said:

It means that pictures mean nothing.

Janet said that she loved JD because he stuck by her and helped her feel better about her body. She said that herself. My opinion is not strictly based on photos.

I wish Janet and her child nothing but the best and I want Janet to be happy.

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And what makes you feel that Wissam didn't? Some damm pictures? You're clearly reaching. She felt good enough to finally become pregnant. Something she obviously didn't in her previous relationships. But whatever, we'll see whether that story is true.

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Reply #47 posted 04/09/17 12:20pm

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if this is true,it's probably because this guy was too controlling.He even had her dressing like a Muslim woman out in public! For a lady who once sang about having "control",that is unacceptable.


--Wow why are slamming someone's religion? I am sure Janet was aware of this when she first met her.
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Reply #48 posted 04/09/17 12:26pm

thedoorkeeper

SoulAlive said:



thedoorkeeper said:


Just watched the video for What Have You Done For Me Lately & Janet had real chemistry & looked so happy with her dancing partner - that's who she should have married. They could have had beautiful dancing babies together.


eek you do realize that her dancing partner in that video is now a.....woman?!


Well that kills that fantasy
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Reply #49 posted 04/09/17 12:30pm

mjscarousal

PatrickS77 said:

mjscarousal said:

Janet said that she loved JD because he stuck by her and helped her feel better about her body. She said that herself. My opinion is not strictly based on photos.

I wish Janet and her child nothing but the best and I want Janet to be happy.

[Edited 4/9/17 11:58am]

And what makes you feel that Wissam didn't? Some damm pictures? You're clearly reaching. She felt good enough to finally become pregnant. Something she obviously didn't in her previous relationships. But whatever, we'll see whether that story is true.

And what makes you think she did not try to have children in her other relationships? Now look who is reaching?

Janet has never looked happy with Wissam. Her behavior has drastically change since marrying him as well (this is a visible observation). She has appeared indifferent and neglectful of her career all together. Its a combination of things that have made me formulate this opinion but this is just an opinion, nothing is a fact calm down.

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Reply #50 posted 04/09/17 12:30pm

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thedoorkeeper said:

SoulAlive said:

eek you do realize that her dancing partner in that video is now a.......woman?!

Well that kills that fantasy eek

lol yeah I was shocked too when I first heard about it

Man On Janet’s “What ...hool Music

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Reply #51 posted 04/09/17 12:37pm

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And what makes you think she did not try to have children in her other relationships? Now look who is reaching?



The fact that if Janet Jackson wants children, she gets children. Even at age 50. See how quickly that went.

I'm calm. I'm not the one tyring to impose and imply a depression on someone.
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Reply #52 posted 04/09/17 12:40pm

mjscarousal

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mjscarousal said:

And what makes you think she did not try to have children in her other relationships? Now look who is reaching?

The fact that if Janet Jackson wants children, she gets children. Even at age 50. See how quickly that went. I'm calm. I'm not the one tyring to impose and imply a depression on someone.

How is saying "I think Janet is suffering from depression" implying anything? Its an opinion and I said "I think" I never said it was a fact. Your bolded comment is YOU imposing and making a fact statement that you have no right to do becafuse you do not know Janet's personal life.

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Reply #53 posted 04/09/17 12:46pm

mjscarousal

Janet Jackson confirms split from husband months after they had first child


Janet Jackson and her husband, Wissam Al Mana, are splitting, ABC News confirmed.
A rep noted that the two are not divorcing, but separating.
Janet Jackson Welcomes 1st Baby at 50Janet Jackson, Wissam Al Mana Reveal Secret MarriageThe news comes just months after Jackson, 50, gave birth to the couple's first child -- a son named Eissa Al Mana.
Back in January, a rep confirmed to ABC News in a statement that "Janet had a stress-free healthy delivery."
Jackson and Al Mana wed in 2012 in a secret ceremony that was revealed a year later by Jackson herself.
This is the third marriage for Jackson, whose union with fellow singer James DeBarge was annulled in 1985. In 1991, she married dancer, songwriter and director Rene Elizondo Jr., but they kept their relationship a secret until their divorce in 2000.
http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/janet-jackson-confirms-splits-husband-months-giving-birth/story?id=46689441

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Reply #54 posted 04/09/17 1:29pm

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I don't think Janet wanted to save the marriage. She wanted a baby for a long time. I just think that having a baby is a difficult test for couples and not all pass. Priorities change and some people realise that child is not their cup of tea (but hopefully this is not the case).

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Reply #55 posted 04/09/17 1:41pm

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FullLipsDotNose said:

I don't think Janet wanted to save the marriage. She wanted a baby for a long time. I just think that having a baby is a difficult test for couples and not all pass. Priorities change and some people realise that child is not their cup of tea (but hopefully this is not the case).



She has stated several times in interviews that she didn't think that she would be a good mother. I wonder why she said that and then decided to have a child. IMO, I think her husband wanted a child more than she did. I can see him wanting to have a child to carry on his legacy. Janet never seemed the type to want children; thus her statements about not thinking she would be a good mother. You can bet that if they divorce, there will be a HUGE fight for their son. Wissam is not going to easily give up his son, or have him in one country with Janet and he in another.
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Reply #56 posted 04/09/17 1:43pm

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A rep noted that the two are not divorcing, but separating.


Well SHIT. I'm sad for her, but I hope she does what's best for her and baby E. Separating is only the first step to divorce. Hell, it'll probably happen before we even get wind of it.

"eye don’t really care so much what people say about me because it is a reflection of who they r."
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Reply #57 posted 04/09/17 1:44pm

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Separation Date May Have Prenup Implications




4/9/17 11:42 AM PST


Janet Jackson's split from husband #3 may have significant financial implications.

Both Janet and Wissam Al Mana are wealthy, but he far more than she. He has an estimated net worth of $1 billion. She's worth an estimated $175 mil.

Janet, who had a prenup with husband #2 Rene Elizondo, almost certainly had a prenup with Al Mana. Such prenups are typically structured -- so the longer the marriage, the bigger the settlement.

Prenups typically have 5 and 10 year marks, which trigger more money in the pot to be divided. Janet announced in February, 2013 that she had gotten married a year earlier. Given the date of her reported separation from Al Mana, it seems to be almost exactly at the 5 year mark of marriage.

The couple just had a baby in January, which may also have prenup implications.

http://m.tmz.com/#article/2017/04/09/janet-jackson-wissam-al-amad-prenup-separation-date/

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Reply #58 posted 04/09/17 2:30pm

mjscarousal

I am truly heartbroken and sad for Janet. I pray that this does not get messy and her and her son are safe. I pray to God she is able to get custody of her son because I know it will become a problem when she wants to move back in the States (if she even can at this point) because I know Wissam is not going to want that because he lives in London and Middle East. This is going to get messy.

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Reply #59 posted 04/09/17 3:50pm

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mjscarousal said:

I am truly heartbroken and sad for Janet. I pray that this does not get messy and her and her son are safe. I pray to God she is able to get custody of her son because I know it will become a problem when she wants to move back in the States (if she even can at this point) because I know Wissam is not going to want that because he lives in London and Middle East. This is going to get messy.

Wow, it seems that happiness in the marriage department just isn't in the cards for Janet. Damned shame.

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