2freaky4church1 said:

Jus a talented kid. Let im grow.

Exactly.

See, that's why I still rocks wit 'chu no matter how they try to diss you in P&R.


I cannot see myself over analyzing this tempest in a teapot to the point of navel gazing, philosophical insights based off of some D-list, Iheart radio award. Once again, Bruno Mars is NOT the one pushing this hype.

If Bruno himself says that he is just getting started, then what is there to debate? It's not like Iheart is some notable authority.

babynoz said:

Shawy89 said:

MotownSubdivision said:

babynoz said:

Exactly.

See, that's why I still rocks wit 'chu no matter how they try to diss you in P&R.


I cannot see myself over analyzing this tempest in a teapot to the point of navel gazing, philosophical insights based off of some D-list, Iheart radio award. Once again, Bruno Mars is NOT the one pushing this hype.

If Bruno himself says that he is just getting started, then what is there to debate? It's not like Iheart is some notable authority.

Who is blaming Bruno?

Not you...I understood your intent in posting and I thought the discussion would continue along the lines of Iheartradio's feeble attempt at relevance, which is what you outlined in your OP.

But Scorp and others are taking it away from that and blaming Bruno.

SoulAlive said:

I don't think that any artist from this generation could be considered an "innovator".The 80s was truly the last decade where we had innovative artists and bands.Yeah I know I sound like an old,whiny grandfather,insisting that we had better music back then (lol) but I'm just keepin' it real

I hear you and often feel the same myself but as a music lover I have to take note where I see potential and cut them some slack where I see fit. There is a distinct difference in younglings with actual talent, who are making an honest effort and those who are overly reliant on samples, beats and the hot producer of the month and cannot function without them.

Bruno is not only a helluva lot of fun but like freaky says, he has that growth potential.

He and a few others give me a glimmer of hope that we could be trending back toward real music.

MotownSubdivision said:

Excuse me for posting 3 times in a row but I would just like to set the record straight on this topic. I am not bashing Bruno, I am not blaming Bruno, I am not undercutting Bruno's talent or trying to. I'm a big fan of him and I appreciate what he's doing in his music, it's refreshing and now is the perfect time for the kind of music he makes. However, I just think it hyperbolic to say he's innovative by bringing old sounds back to the forefront. An artist doesn't need to be innovative to be great and Bruno is great but innovative is a curious term in which to describe him.

Let me just clarify again that I wasn't referring to you. I think I made it very clear in my first reply why I think that Iheartradio and other bit players say and do these type of stunts.

No offence was intended.

Bruno Mars ain't some young cat....

this man is 31 years old

Scorp said:

Bruno Mars ain't some young cat....

this man is 31 years old

I'm old enough be his mother so that makes him young to me.

His musical chops are coming along nicely too. I'm not worried.

Scorp said:

Bruno Mars ain't some young cat....

this man is 31 years old

I know right? When you look at what MJ and Prince achieved by that age, it really puts it into perspective, doesn't it?

babynoz said:

MattyJam said:

Scorp said:

Bruno Mars ain't some young cat....

this man is 31 years old

I know right? When you look at what MJ and Prince achieved by that age, it really puts it into perspective, doesn't it?

big time perspective

31 ain't some neophyte

I just wish these new wave of artists start taking the initiative to really buckle down and create their own music.....they would feel a greater sense of accomplishment if they did that.

this is what they should be striving for. Then, they really would be innovative....

SoulAlive said:

I don't think that any artist from this generation could be considered an "innovator".The 80s was truly the last decade where we had innovative artists and bands.Yeah I know I sound like an old,whiny grandfather,insisting that we had better music back then (lol) but I'm just keepin' it real

Well, Radiohead appeared in the 90s and their catalog is known to have "re-invented" the sound of alternative rock music.

Timbaland, M.I.A., DJ Shadow, Dr. Dre, D'Angelo, Bjork and Kanye West are also considered to be major ground breaking figures in the music industry.

MattyJam said:

Scorp said:

Bruno Mars ain't some young cat....

this man is 31 years old

I know right? When you look at what MJ and Prince achieved by that age, it really puts it into perspective, doesn't it?

NOW WHO'S COMPARING BRUNO TO MJ AND PRINCE?

It's been you guys all the time, you do the comparaison and then hate it when others do it too.... Nobody ever forced Bruno to be as prolific as Prince was.... It's you who are creating these tiring standards you think every artist should live by. Prince & MJ are not the reference, they're iconic & influential artists from an era who happen to influence Bruno in a major way, doesn't mean his work should be constantly compared to theirs.

Shawy89 said:

MattyJam said:

I know right? When you look at what MJ and Prince achieved by that age, it really puts it into perspective, doesn't it?

NOW WHO'S COMPARING BRUNO TO MJ AND PRINCE?

It's been you guys all the time, you do the comparaison and then hate it when others do it too.... Nobody ever forced Bruno to be as prolific as Prince was.... It's you who are creating these tiring standards you think every artist should live by. Prince & MJ are not the reference, they're iconic & influential artists from an era who happen to influence Bruno in a major way, doesn't mean his work should be constantly compared to theirs.

it's not tiring standards

it's the best standards,

it's not even about comparisons.....it's not about Bruno Mars

this been something that has been taking place for well over a quarter century that has led people such as him feeling the need to travel back in time and interpolate

when if the environment was right, they would be encouraged to cultivate and maintain that same standard that preceded them......

that's how I always thought it was going to be as a teenager, but when the image perspective was placed above the talent perspective, that's when the standard started to decline...

and I know it's hard not going back and interpolating all that great music......it's hard to refrain from doing it because that music wasn't just exceptional, it was rich and steeped in culture, that richness is what is influencing Bruno more than anything

but it's not impossible.....I just never believed that the standard was destined to end in the 80s, it should have been a continuum

imagine if MJ or Prince or any luminary had the attitude of taking the road less travelled, then they never would have became MJ and never would have became Prince......

Scorp said:

MotownSubdivision said:

Scorp said:

it's not tiring standards

it's the best standards,

it's not even about comparisons.....it's not about Bruno Mars

this been something that has been taking place for well over a quarter century that has led people such as him feeling the need to travel back in time and interpolate

when if the environment was right, they would be encouraged to cultivate and maintain that same standard that preceded them......

that's how I always thought it was going to be as a teenager, but when the image perspective was placed above the talent perspective, that's when the standard started to decline...

and I know it's hard not going back and interpolating all that great music......it's hard to refrain from doing it because that music wasn't just exceptional, it was rich and steeped in culture, that richness is what is influencing Bruno more than anything

but it's not impossible.....I just never believed that the standard was destined to end in the 80s, it should have been a continuum

imagine if MJ or Prince or any luminary had the attitude of taking the road less travelled, then they never would have became MJ and never would have became Prince......

Bruno is no innovator but how is he not taking the road less traveled? Who else on the current mainstream front was making music that blatantly took after music of the past? No mainstream act was doing retro-sounding music before "Locked Out of Heaven" became a hit. [Edited 3/8/17 7:43am]

Wow. Really? The 80s obsession with music, culture, and fashion has been going on for a while. There was an article a while back that said the 80s retro has lasted longer than the decade itself. Justin Timberlake, the Weekend, and Haim who dip into the 80s sounds. Amy Whinehouse started the whole 60 retro sound that last a few years.

I don't have a problem with borrowing from the past because, frankly, I think there are really no more ideas to mine from pop music. Musicians will have to start making music that is not aesthectically pleasing to the ears in terms of music composition in order to push forward. I don't see anyone doing that in mainstream music.

If artists are going to rip the 80s sound, then at least do it correctly. This guy from youtube called Tronicbox is the only one doing it right.

lrn36 said:

When I was referring to 80s cultue, I was including music. With Timberlake, I was thinking of Futuresex which was a clear ode to Prince's Minneapolis funk of the 80s. I know that was 10 years ago, but this 80s influence on music has been going off and on for the past decade. Haim is an all feamle band.

Yeah, Tronicbox is great. Check out his other tracks. He really is better than most of the producer, arrangers out there.

He is more exciting than alot of artists out today. I think he is innovative to the young fans, we already had the best of the best so its alright for this man to recieve this award. Slow your roll. Who else out right now deserves it? WE already have had our greats get awards like these.

babynoz said:

Scorp said:

Bruno Mars ain't some young cat....

this man is 31 years old

I'm old enough be his mother so that makes him young to me.

His musical chops are coming along nicely too. I'm not worried.

I always thought you were a man.

Scorp said:

Shawy89 said:

NOW WHO'S COMPARING BRUNO TO MJ AND PRINCE?

It's been you guys all the time, you do the comparaison and then hate it when others do it too.... Nobody ever forced Bruno to be as prolific as Prince was.... It's you who are creating these tiring standards you think every artist should live by. Prince & MJ are not the reference, they're iconic & influential artists from an era who happen to influence Bruno in a major way, doesn't mean his work should be constantly compared to theirs.

it's not tiring standards

it's the best standards,

it's not even about comparisons.....it's not about Bruno Mars

this been something that has been taking place for well over a quarter century that has led people such as him feeling the need to travel back in time and interpolate

when if the environment was right, they would be encouraged to cultivate and maintain that same standard that preceded them......

that's how I always thought it was going to be as a teenager, but when the image perspective was placed above the talent perspective, that's when the standard started to decline...

and I know it's hard not going back and interpolating all that great music......it's hard to refrain from doing it because that music wasn't just exceptional, it was rich and steeped in culture, that richness is what is influencing Bruno more than anything

but it's not impossible.....I just never believed that the standard was destined to end in the 80s, it should have been a continuum

imagine if MJ or Prince or any luminary had the attitude of taking the road less travelled, then they never would have became MJ and never would have became Prince......

It is about Bruno Mars though because you are still holding him accountable for something he did not say or do. Your beef should be with Iheartradio.

Simply put, your usual criticisms do not apply to him because he does not fit into that category. It's perfectly fine not to like him but to say he isn't talented by some arbitrary standard that he isn't even claiming is just plain wrong.

I could wax nostalgic and say that the standard declined in the 70s but it's less than honest not to admit some small level of subjectivity in such statements.

I'm no longer a teen and our legends are dying out fast. I'd rather support young artist that I feel have the potential for growth than sit back and complain while the Breezys, Yeezys, Jeezys, Nikkis and Azaleas become the standard.

Is that what you want?

MotownSubdivision said:

lrn36 said:

Wow. Really? The 80s obsession with music, culture, and fashion has been going on for a while. There was an article a while back that said the 80s retro has lasted longer than the decade itself. Justin Timberlake, the Weekend, and Haim who dip into the 80s sounds. Amy Whinehouse started the whole 60 retro sound that last a few years.

I don't have a problem with borrowing from the past because, frankly, I think there are really no more ideas to mine from pop music. Musicians will have to start making music that is not aesthectically pleasing to the ears in terms of music composition in order to push forward. I don't see anyone doing that in mainstream music.

If artists are going to rip the 80s sound, then at least do it correctly. This guy from youtube called Tronicbox is the only one doing it right.

The onsession with 80's culture and the sound of the 80's in current mainstream music are 2 different things. Also, I'm not just talking about the 80's and since you would go onto mention Amy Winehouse who showed influence from the 1960s in her music, I have to assume you know that. I do have to admit I forgot about Amy. Even so, I don't think it's a coincidence that a noticeable amount of acts tinged their music with a retro sound following the success of "Locked Out of Heaven"; Amy did it before Bruno but she didn't influence the mainstream like Bruno when he did it. Timberlake's 20/20 came out after "Locked Out of Heaven" was already #1 and same goes for the Weeknd who didn't register a blip on the mainstream radar until 2015 when he released his first album. Who is Haim? Not that I know everything but if I have to ask then he certainly isn't isn't on the same level of notoriety as the aforementioned so he doesn't count. Bruno may not have been the first in this generation of mainstream acts to do retro sounding music but he's the first to do it and make an impact. Bruno's takes on old school sounds are good but TronicBox is amazing, I've heard his work before. He should be an industry producer.

Spot on...keyword here is mainstream.

lrn36 said:

MotownSubdivision said:

Scorp said: Bruno is no innovator but how is he not taking the road less traveled? Who else on the current mainstream front was making music that blatantly took after music of the past? No mainstream act was doing retro-sounding music before "Locked Out of Heaven" became a hit. [Edited 3/8/17 7:43am]

Wow. Really? The 80s obsession with music, culture, and fashion has been going on for a while. There was an article a while back that said the 80s retro has lasted longer than the decade itself. Justin Timberlake, the Weekend, and Haim who dip into the 80s sounds. Amy Whinehouse started the whole 60 retro sound that last a few years.

I don't have a problem with borrowing from the past because, frankly, I think there are really no more ideas to mine from pop music. Musicians will have to start making music that is not aesthectically pleasing to the ears in terms of music composition in order to push forward. I don't see anyone doing that in mainstream music.

If artists are going to rip the 80s sound, then at least do it correctly. This guy from youtube called Tronicbox is the only one doing it right.

Exaaaaaaaaaaactly.......

it's like taking a drug for years and years.......to ween off of it and no longer become dependent on it may cause convulsions in the beginning, it may make you sweak bullets, because the dependency is a symptom of something more profound, when you begin the recovery process, you start to discover the root of the problem which drove one to rely on it to begin with.......the recovery can be painstaking and unpleasant with allot of bumps in the road, but in the end, your life has changed for the better and you see a more constructive path waiting for you.....

that's what it's gonna take.....pain...and probably not allot of music would be made for a period of time, but in the end, it's going to be to the industry's benefit.....because it's going to crash anyway at the rate it's going....

Imagine if the MJ's, the Prince's of the world carried the attitude of rehashing what they heard coming up during the 60s.....we never would have had an Off The Wall or Thriller or 1999 or Purple Rain when those albums were created w/in the realm of the richness of culture which made it possible for them to reach the pop stratosphere

Pop Music can't thrive unless the music it incorporates is steeped in culture, when the culture dries up, so goes the Pop music realm.....

r&b was at it's fulfillment before it became suffocated by the pop music web, so was hip hop, so was soul, so was country, so was rock, so was gospel, so was latin, so was music from the caribeean.....

This is why in today's conversation, we here so many people say r&b dont' sound the same anyone, hip-hop is dead, where did the rock go, gospel has lost its gospel.......it's all been watered down by this pursuit to go mainstream for the sake of being mainstream, because to be accepted mainstream, the presentation has to be tweeked.

because of the way society is built, the pursuit to pop crossover success, which reached a pinnacle moment by the mid 80s, has created a void that contemporaries have had a difficult time filling, along w/a host of contradictions it has created.......the decline started in 1987, this is why so many artists of today and since the beginning of the 2000s are literally trying to recreate what was achieved durign the 70s up until the around 1985-1986

Shawy89 said:

Bobby Brown’s New Prerogative The spotlight, and life in general, hasn’t been too kind to Bobby Brown. The R&B icon-turned-reality star’s exploits and tragedies have been highly publicized. But unlike many, Brown has risen above his controversies. The “Every Little Step” singer is focused in 2017, with a new record on the way. We chat with the hitmaker about life lessons and his meeting with a Hollywood medium before his performance at Silverton Casino Friday night. You’re a pioneer in the genre of R&B. How do you feel about the music that’s out today? There’s a lot of R&B cats out there right now killing it. I appreciate the sound. Bruno Mars, Usher—there’s so many cats out there right now that’s just doing things that I can appreciate. Bruno Mars’ 24K Magic is very much an homage to the sound you helped create. How did you feel when you heard that record? I felt great. When somebody pays homage to you, you can only accept it and hold it tight. I really appreciate him appreciating real music. That’s what it is, real music, you know? That’s R&B with a pop feel to it. I just love what he’s doing.

TELL IT BOBBY, TELL THESE HOEZ

Where's Naught Kitty? LOL I'm sure she would have some interesting thoughts to share here!

*yawn*