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MJ - Discuss Anything & Everything

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Reply #1 posted 01/11/17 5:23am

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MJ whitewashed again :/

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/tv/0/nightmarish-first-look-joseph-fiennes-michael-jackson-draws/

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Reply #2 posted 01/11/17 7:31am

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FullLipsDotNose said:

MJ whitewashed again :/



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/tv/0/nightmarish-first-look-joseph-fiennes-michael-jackson-draws/



In fairness, I can kind of understand why a white actor would be cast as Michael Jackson during this time. His skin was white, after all. However, with the make up effects that are available these days, even to small budget productions like this, it wouldn't have been that difficult to cast a black actor. After all, portraying a real life personality is more than just the look. You have to be able to channel that person and I think a black actor could do that more efficiently. But I wouldn't say that it's "white washing", it's just an example of bad casting.

Personally, I think David Jordan should have gotten the role. And I'm not just saying that because he's a friend of mine. Honest.
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Reply #3 posted 01/11/17 10:33am

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FullLipsDotNose said:

MJ whitewashed again :/



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/tv/0/nightmarish-first-look-joseph-fiennes-michael-jackson-draws/



In fairness, I can kind of understand why a white actor would be cast as Michael Jackson during this time. His skin was white, after all. However, with the make up effects that are available these days, even to small budget productions like this, it wouldn't have been that difficult to cast a black actor. After all, portraying a real life personality is more than just the look. You have to be able to channel that person and I think a black actor could do that more efficiently. But I wouldn't say that it's "white washing", it's just an example of bad casting.

Personally, I think David Jordan should have gotten the role. And I'm not just saying that because he's a friend of mine. Honest.





If Michael Jackson had never embraced the false theme of racial indifference and led to a path of social readjustment by transforming his being due to terrible advice stemming over a quarter century ago, this insane caricature spoof would have never happened


This guy aint the problem but the synptom of the problem


Whether a black person was cast or a white person, it wouldn't have made a bit of difference because everything is crossed up now
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Reply #4 posted 01/11/17 6:11pm

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This picture just made me laugh. Havent laughed that hard in ages. Honestly this so disrespectul and disgusting and disturbing im not even offended the world is sending a clear message that nothings sacred and they dont give a fuck about michael jackson. razz God bless you mj. Back to my life cool

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Reply #5 posted 01/11/17 7:59pm

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Paris Jackson Angry Joseph Fiennes Playing Michael Jackson in Brit TV Show: “It honestly makes me want to vomit” http://www.showbiz411.com...t-to-vomit

[Edited 1/11/17 19:59pm]

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Reply #6 posted 01/11/17 8:00pm

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: By Hollyweird's standard it's A-Ok for a White boy to play Michael Jackson. FINE. Then let Emmanuel Lewis play Mickey Rooney.

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Reply #7 posted 01/11/17 8:14pm

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This isn't OK, but because there is no such thing as "white culture" to preserve, the caucasian men and women in positions of power that had a hand in putting this ridiculous project together will not see anything offensive with it. Some folks will share their "outrage" for about a week before another headline pushes this one to the back of the line. But, please at all costs, let's not start up that talk about casting a brotha as "James Bond" again. Hollywood would implode.

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Reply #8 posted 01/11/17 8:58pm

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This isn't OK, but because there is no such thing as "white culture" to preserve, the caucasian men and women in positions of power that had a hand in putting this ridiculous project together will not see anything offensive with it. Some folks will share their "outrage" for about a week before another headline pushes this one to the back of the line. But, please at all costs, let's not start up that talk about casting a brotha as "James Bond" again. Hollywood would implode.

we should be 10 times, 100 times more angry how this same system coerce the very person this actor is portraying to totally eliminate his natural being that led to this moment

take that out of the equation and this does not happen

this isn't about attacking individuals but a system of influence that's dysfunctional at its core

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Reply #9 posted 01/11/17 9:57pm

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Being that "we" share similar usernames with radically different points of view on this matter, I would ask that you refrain from quoting my posts in the future. "We" will do as we please, but understand that many of us are aware of the fact that Michael Jackson suffered from vitiligo, a pigment destroying skin disorder. So, with that being said, "we" have 0 interest in your theories on this so-called "system". Thanks and goodnight.

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Reply #10 posted 01/12/17 2:10am

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: By Hollyweird's standard it's A-Ok for a White boy to play Michael Jackson. FINE. Then let Emmanuel Lewis play Mickey Rooney.



As you can see from my post above. I don't agree with the casting either, but at the time this movie is set, Michael Jackson did appear to be white so having a white actor play the part is not necessarily a "race" thing. They're probably just going for someone who more closely resembled Michael Jackson at this time in his life. Which is kind of understandable. I will reiterate my point above though and state that portraying a real life figure in a movie is more than just the look. You need to be able to convey the essence of that person and I don't believe Joseph Fiennes is the right man for the job. I would cast David Jordan. Maybe he's too young to play MJ during this time but he'd definitely have been a better choice.
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Reply #11 posted 01/12/17 3:31am

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Being that "we" share similar usernames with radically different points of view on this matter, I would ask that you refrain from quoting my posts in the future. "We" will do as we please, but understand that many of us are aware of the fact that Michael Jackson suffered from vitiligo, a pigment destroying skin disorder. So, with that being said, "we" have 0 interest in your theories on this so-called "system". Thanks and goodnight.

a name is only a name........

and that's the problem that led to this insane spoof, all what happened over a quarter century ago led to this moment

I know exactly what vitiligo is, knew what it was years before MJ first claimed he had it

I know all about it........Vitiligo does not produce coloration of spots

He never had that, and because of that, this is what led to this guy feeling comfortable portarying Michael the way he did.....racial indifference led to this

For if MJ really had that in his life, this portrayal never takes place

and as long as fans and select media outlets continue to insinuate that he did have that, then stuff like this will continue, and it's going to go on and on and on. It's never going to end

and the system I'm talking about is a influence of thought, predicated on race, that causes a person to take that racial conflict, internalize it, and destroy themselves in the process, and while it takes place, people who support the internalization act like the self destruction isn't taking place.

This is what MJ really suffered from which is worse than a skin disorder

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Reply #12 posted 01/12/17 9:46am

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PARIS JACKSON 'INCREDIBLY OFFENDED' BY JOSEPH FIENNES' PORTRAYAL OF MICHAEL JACKSON

The late icon's daughter and nephew are not happy about the 'Urban Myths' TV series
January 12, 2017
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Following the release of the bizarre Urban Myths trailer, Paris Jackson has spoken out about Joseph Fiennes being cast as her father, Michael Jackson. The 18-year-old tweeted, “I'm so incredibly offended by it, as i’m sure plenty of people are as well, and it honestly makes me want to vomit" when asked about her thoughts on the TV series.

Paris continued to say it angered her how insulting the portrayal of not just her father, but her godmother Elizabeth Taylor (played by Stockard Channing) was. Jackson's nephew Taj also weighed in on the show, tweeting "Unfortunately this is what my family has to deal with. No words could express the blatant disrespect."

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Reply #13 posted 01/12/17 11:30am

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Scorp said:

scorp84 said:

This isn't OK, but because there is no such thing as "white culture" to preserve, the caucasian men and women in positions of power that had a hand in putting this ridiculous project together will not see anything offensive with it. Some folks will share their "outrage" for about a week before another headline pushes this one to the back of the line. But, please at all costs, let's not start up that talk about casting a brotha as "James Bond" again. Hollywood would implode.

we should be 10 times, 100 times more angry how this same system coerce the very person this actor is portraying to totally eliminate his natural being that led to this moment

take that out of the equation and this does not happen

this isn't about attacking individuals but a system of influence that's dysfunctional at its core


COULD the casting in and of itself be a statement to that effect?

The line to walk in this is wafer thin. That said, the casting decision was bad. There are plenty of actors out there of mixed ancestry that could have played the same role. For example, Daniel Sunjata and Wentworth Miller are capable.

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Reply #14 posted 01/12/17 2:27pm

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I don't know what to think about this, i just don't care for this show

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Reply #15 posted 01/13/17 7:40am

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Well they will not air the Urban Myth episide anymore.

European pay-TV company Sky has ditched plans to air the controversial footage from British comedy series “Urban Myths” in which Joseph Fiennes plays the singer Michael Jackson.

In a statement, a company spokesperson said: “We have taken the decision not to broadcast ‘Elizabeth, Michael and Marlon,’ a half-hour episode from the Sky Arts ‘Urban Myths’ series, in light of the concerns expressed by Michael Jackson’s immediate family. We set out to take a light-hearted look at reportedly true events and never intended to cause any offence. Joseph Fiennes fully supports our decision.”

The singer’s daughter, Paris Jackson, has called the portrayal “shameful” after viewing a trailer for the series. She tweeted: “I’m so incredibly offended by it, as i’m sure plenty of people are as well, and it honestly makes me want to vomit.”
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Reply #16 posted 01/13/17 9:41am

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nextedition said:

Well they will not air the Urban Myth episide anymore.

European pay-TV company Sky has ditched plans to air the controversial footage from British comedy series “Urban Myths” in which Joseph Fiennes plays the singer Michael Jackson.

In a statement, a company spokesperson said: “We have taken the decision not to broadcast ‘Elizabeth, Michael and Marlon,’ a half-hour episode from the Sky Arts ‘Urban Myths’ series, in light of the concerns expressed by Michael Jackson’s immediate family. We set out to take a light-hearted look at reportedly true events and never intended to cause any offence. Joseph Fiennes fully supports our decision.”

The singer’s daughter, Paris Jackson, has called the portrayal “shameful” after viewing a trailer for the series. She tweeted: “I’m so incredibly offended by it, as i’m sure plenty of people are as well, and it honestly makes me want to vomit.”
[Edited 1/13/17 7:42am]


I think it's probably best that they don't show it. Not so much for the horrendous casting decision, but more because from it's very inception it sounded like a shit idea, regardless of who they cast.
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Reply #17 posted 01/13/17 11:57am

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Music biopics have done very well for Lifetime, which had cable’s #1 and #2 original movies of 2016 in key demographics with Toni Braxton: Unbreak My Heart and Surviving Compton: Dre, Suge & Michel’le.

For 2017, the network is taking on the King of Pop with Michael Jackson: Searching for Neverland (working title), executive produced by Suzanne de Passe (The Jacksons: An American Dream), who has a long-standing relationship with the Jackson family, and staring Navi, a popular Michael Jackson tribute artist. The biopic is now in pre-production.

Michael Jackson: Searching for Neverland, slated for a February production start date, is based on the best-selling book, Remember the Time: Protecting Michael Jackson in His Final Days. Told through the eyes of the King of Pop’s bodyguards, Bill Whitfield and Javon Beard, the film will star Navi in his acting debut, alongside Chad L. Coleman (The Walking Dead) as Whitefield. Suzanne de Passe, Madison Jones and Robert Teitel are executive producing.Searching for Neverland is produced by Silver Screen (The Craigslist Killer). Dianne Houston is directing from a script by Elizabeth Hunter (Beauty Shop).


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Reply #18 posted 01/13/17 1:21pm

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Music biopics have done very well for Lifetime, which had cable’s #1 and #2 original movies of 2016 in key demographics with Toni Braxton: Unbreak My Heart and Surviving Compton: Dre, Suge & Michel’le.

For 2017, the network is taking on the King of Pop with Michael Jackson: Searching for Neverland (working title), executive produced by Suzanne de Passe (The Jacksons: An American Dream), who has a long-standing relationship with the Jackson family, and staring Navi, a popular Michael Jackson tribute artist. The biopic is now in pre-production.

Michael Jackson: Searching for Neverland, slated for a February production start date, is based on the best-selling book, Remember the Time: Protecting Michael Jackson in His Final Days. Told through the eyes of the King of Pop’s bodyguards, Bill Whitfield and Javon Beard, the film will star Navi in his acting debut, alongside Chad L. Coleman (The Walking Dead) as Whitefield. Suzanne de Passe, Madison Jones and Robert Teitel are executive producing.Searching for Neverland is produced by Silver Screen (The Craigslist Killer). Dianne Houston is directing from a script by Elizabeth Hunter (Beauty Shop).

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Ughhh I know suzzane means well but just leave it alone

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Reply #19 posted 01/13/17 2:19pm

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Lifetime is bad at making biopics. Remember the one about Aaliyah? It didn't even feature Aaliyah's music!! And the guy playing Timbaland was a light-skinned Latino and the gal playing Missy Elliott was slim and light-skinned.

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Reply #20 posted 01/13/17 2:40pm

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getxxxx said:

Music biopics have done very well for Lifetime, which had cable’s #1 and #2 original movies of 2016 in key demographics with Toni Braxton: Unbreak My Heart and Surviving Compton: Dre, Suge & Michel’le.

For 2017, the network is taking on the King of Pop with Michael Jackson: Searching for Neverland (working title), executive produced by Suzanne de Passe (The Jacksons: An American Dream), who has a long-standing relationship with the Jackson family, and staring Navi, a popular Michael Jackson tribute artist. The biopic is now in pre-production.

Michael Jackson: Searching for Neverland, slated for a February production start date, is based on the best-selling book, Remember the Time: Protecting Michael Jackson in His Final Days. Told through the eyes of the King of Pop’s bodyguards, Bill Whitfield and Javon Beard, the film will star Navi in his acting debut, alongside Chad L. Coleman (The Walking Dead) as Whitefield. Suzanne de Passe, Madison Jones and Robert Teitel are executive producing.Searching for Neverland is produced by Silver Screen (The Craigslist Killer). Dianne Houston is directing from a script by Elizabeth Hunter (Beauty Shop).

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they gone milk this stuff until they turn that carton upside down

it's gonna get so bad, they'll be doing a biopic on the days when J-5 cut their first record before signing with Motown, and that'll be animated

no willingness to tell the real bonafide story, I guess it's too tough to take

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Reply #21 posted 01/13/17 5:18pm

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heathilly said:

getxxxx said:

Music biopics have done very well for Lifetime, which had cable’s #1 and #2 original movies of 2016 in key demographics with Toni Braxton: Unbreak My Heart and Surviving Compton: Dre, Suge & Michel’le.

For 2017, the network is taking on the King of Pop with Michael Jackson: Searching for Neverland (working title), executive produced by Suzanne de Passe (The Jacksons: An American Dream), who has a long-standing relationship with the Jackson family, and staring Navi, a popular Michael Jackson tribute artist. The biopic is now in pre-production.

Michael Jackson: Searching for Neverland, slated for a February production start date, is based on the best-selling book, Remember the Time: Protecting Michael Jackson in His Final Days. Told through the eyes of the King of Pop’s bodyguards, Bill Whitfield and Javon Beard, the film will star Navi in his acting debut, alongside Chad L. Coleman (The Walking Dead) as Whitefield. Suzanne de Passe, Madison Jones and Robert Teitel are executive producing.Searching for Neverland is produced by Silver Screen (The Craigslist Killer). Dianne Houston is directing from a script by Elizabeth Hunter (Beauty Shop).

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Ughhh I kow suzzane means well but just leave it alone

yeahthat disbelief but I guess she and those bodyguards needs the $$$$$$$$$$$$$

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Reply #22 posted 01/13/17 6:02pm

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FullLipsDotNose said:

Lifetime is bad at making biopics. Remember the one about Aaliyah? It didn't even feature Aaliyah's music!! And the guy playing Timbaland was a light-skinned Latino and the gal playing Missy Elliott was slim and light-skinned.

the one they did on Whitney Houston was horrific

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Reply #23 posted 01/13/17 6:31pm

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Scorp said:

FullLipsDotNose said:

Lifetime is bad at making biopics. Remember the one about Aaliyah? It didn't even feature Aaliyah's music!! And the guy playing Timbaland was a light-skinned Latino and the gal playing Missy Elliott was slim and light-skinned.

the one they did on Whitney Houston was horrific

Yuuuup it was crap doody and Angela Bassett directed it confuse shrug

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Reply #24 posted 01/13/17 6:52pm

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Goddess4Real said:



Scorp said:




FullLipsDotNose said:


Lifetime is bad at making biopics. Remember the one about Aaliyah? It didn't even feature Aaliyah's music!! And the guy playing Timbaland was a light-skinned Latino and the gal playing Missy Elliott was slim and light-skinned.





the one they did on Whitney Houston was horrific




Yuuuup it was crap doody and Angela Bassett directed it confuse shrug


I also believe that movie didn't help her daughter in any way. People have no consideration for the family. Yes their celebrities but there also people with families like everyone else.
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Reply #25 posted 01/14/17 3:42pm

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The recording/entertainment industry...The real industry is finished
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Reply #26 posted 01/14/17 5:41pm

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PARIS JACKSON 'INCREDIBLY OFFENDED'

18 now? wow, she should grow out her 'fro. Only joking, she should do some porn.

Yeah, we'll, we'll try to imagine what silence looks like.
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Reply #27 posted 01/14/17 6:26pm

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Marrk said:

purplethunder3121 said:

PARIS JACKSON 'INCREDIBLY OFFENDED'

18 now? wow, she should grow out her 'fro. Only joking, she should do some porn.

what should happen is for this charade to be put to rest because none of these 3 people are Michael Jackson's biological offspring and everybody know it

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Reply #28 posted 01/14/17 6:39pm

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Marrk said:

18 now? wow, she should grow out her 'fro. Only joking, she should do some porn.

what should happen is for this charade to be put to rest because none of these 3 people are Michael Jackson's biological offspring and everybody know it

Does it really matter He raised these kids and they carry his legacy end of story

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Reply #29 posted 01/14/17 7:06pm

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heathilly said:

Scorp said:

what should happen is for this charade to be put to rest because none of these 3 people are Michael Jackson's biological offspring and everybody know it

Does it really matter He raised these kids and they carry his legacy end of story

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It does matter, fans can't complain about a guy portraying Michael and in the same breath claim he fathered these 3 people when he did not

There is no legacy to be carried as long as this front continues

You can't have a black man's legacy continued by white children....

I have nothing against anyone but that ain't gone fly in the end no matter how fans try to convince themselves...

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