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PurpleSpirit31
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MY END OF YEAR OBSERVATIONS - DAVID BOWIE & PRINCE!!!

I wasnt sure which forum to post this in as it also concerns Prince, but, anyway, here goes:

2016 has been a Godawful, horrible year, as we lost in death 2 of the most talented, prolific, iconic, legendary, outerworldly, God-gifted musicians, performers, songwriters the world has ever known(a personal loss for me, I might add, as I was, and still am, a devoted disciple of them both). David Bowie and Prince.


Now here comes the crunch. There has been a very marked difference in how the world mourned the death of these 2 icons, particularly from an artistic level. In regards the artistic point of view, albeit music, art, books, and other media, the difference between these 2 icons has been VERY noticeable!! Since David Bowies' death the whole world of both music and the written word(books, etc.) has been constantly flooded with expressions of recognition and reflection. In regards books, as an example, bookstores, both bricks and mortar stores and online, there has been an endless supply of new books(some unoffical I might add) released to showcase all aspects and facets of David Bowies life and career. All these books have been extremely well written, by all the people who worked really close to him and knew him on a personal level, and totally beautiful!! Then, in the way of music, a few months ago, David Bowies' Estate, and commissioned by David before his death, officially released one of the most awesome and concise box-sets I have ever had the pleasure of purchasing, the Who Can I Be Now set covering the years of 1974 to 1976, and including the mysterious unreleased album, The Gouster. Then just recently, the newly released Legacy compilation disc. Then to add more gifts for Bowies mourning fans, in January 2017 a new regular fanzine, entitled David Bowie: Glamour, is going to be released of which you can pre-order through www.davidbowienews.com. Plus the fact, that David said goodbye to the world in leaving the brilliant, prolific, thought-provoking album, Blackstar which will always be incredibly mind-blowing to me!!


Now, we come to Prince. Since his death there has been virtually NOTHING new released, apart from some unreleased track downloads. No new books, except that one by Mobeen Azhar and this pathetic Prince 4Ever greatest hits CD, which has had so much hype surrounding it due to ONE unreleased track, Moonbeam Levels, being included!! BIG FUCKING DEAL!!! That track has been on my computer system for AT LEAST 10 years, if not more, because it is part of The Work Volumes' series, and what's more I have it in glorious, pristine FLAC!!! Plus, ALL the endless tributes to Prince have all been tasteless, unorganized shit!! On the other hand, all David Bowie memorials and tributes have really brought such classy and respectful honour to him(except for that embarrassing Lady GaGa one!!LOLOL).


This only proves to me, which icon cared more about his fans!! My vote, goes to David Bowie!! Prince didnt care fuck all about his fans, and this also proves to me that, even in death, Prince is a total control freak and doesnt want to be screwed over!! I am sure that David Bowie had control over his career and output as well, but he also lived in the real world and knew that he had a worldwide fanbase that totally adored him and he wanted to do them right, even when he died, and also he was far more business savvy than Prince ever was, hence, why David Bowie had a WILL, unlike Prince!! And also, David Bowie wanted to make sure everyone close to him was duly cared for when he died, even his sons' nanny!! Prince only ever wanted to do HIMSELF right and, to some extent, it just didnt pay off for him and probably wont in the future either,as, for example, I cant ever see the Paisley Park Museum lasting more than about 5 years at the most, in all honesty!! It does not have the same tourist revenue pull for the Prince Estate and for the State of Minnesota, as Elvis Presley's Graceland does, not only for the Presley estate, but also for the State of Tennessee!! Literally, hundreds of thousands of fans visit Graceland, all year round, whereas I dont ever think that Paisley Park will ever get that same amount of fans/tourists(particularly in the winter months), so the State of Minnesota is going to do some serious mathwork and realize that Paisley Park is not boosting the tourism revenue(hence, bringing in taxes) and decide to shut it down and then build a far more profitable strip mall in its place!!! Everything has been in utter shambles since Princes' passing!!!


Dont get me wrong, I am a massive fan of them both, always have been, but in this year of 2016 in which we all lost both, I think, in my own personal life, David Bowies' death has had the most effect on me!!!

[Edited 12/23/16 7:09am]

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Reply #1 posted 12/23/16 7:55am

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PurpleSpirit319 said:

I wasnt sure which forum to post this in as it also concerns Prince, but, anyway, here goes:



2016 has been a Godawful, horrible year, as we lost in death 2 of the most talented, prolific, iconic, legendary, outerworldly, God-gifted musicians, performers, songwriters the world has ever known(a personal loss for me, I might add, as I was, and still am, a devoted disciple of them both). David Bowie and Prince.



Now here comes the crunch. There has been a very marked difference in how the world mourned the death of these 2 icons, particularly from an artistic level. In regards the artistic point of view, albeit music, art, books, and other media, the difference between these 2 icons has been VERY noticeable!! Since David Bowies' death the whole world of both music and the written word(books, etc.) has been constantly flooded with expressions of recognition and reflection. In regards books, as an example, bookstores, both bricks and mortar stores and online, there has been an endless supply of new books(some unoffical I might add) released to showcase all aspects and facets of David Bowies life and career. All these books have been extremely well written, by all the people who worked really close to him and knew him on a personal level, and totally beautiful!! Then, in the way of music, a few months ago, David Bowies' Estate, and commissioned by David before his death, officially released one of the most awesome and concise box-sets I have ever had the pleasure of purchasing, the Who Can I Be Now set covering the years of 1974 to 1976, and including the mysterious unreleased album, The Gouster. Then just recently, the newly released Legacy compilation disc. Then to add more gifts for Bowies mourning fans, in January 2017 a new regular fanzine, entitled David Bowie: Glamour, is going to be released of which you can pre-order through www.davidbowienews.com. Plus the fact, that David said goodbye to the world in leaving the brilliant, prolific, thought-provoking album, Blackstar which will always be incredibly mind-blowing to me!!



Now, we come to Prince. Since his death there has been virtually NOTHING new released, apart from some unreleased track downloads. No new books, except that one by Mobeen Azhar and this pathetic Prince 4Ever greatest hits CD, which has had so much hype surrounding it due to ONE unreleased track, Moonbeam Levels, being included!! BIG FUCKING DEAL!!! That track has been on my computer system for AT LEAST 10 years, if not more, because it is part of The Work Volumes' series, and what's more I have it in glorious, pristine FLAC!!! Plus, ALL the endless tributes to Prince have all been tasteless, unorganized shit!! On the other hand, all David Bowie memorials and tributes have really brought such classy and respectful honour to him(except for that embarrassing Lady GaGa one!!LOLOL).



This only proves to me, which icon cared more about his fans!! My vote, goes to David Bowie!! Prince didnt care fuck all about his fans, and this also proves to me that, even in death, Prince is a total control freak and doesnt want to be screwed over!! I am sure that David Bowie had control over his career and output as well, but he also lived in the real world and knew that he had a worldwide fanbase that totally adored him and he wanted to do them right, even when he died, and also he was far more business savvy than Prince ever was, hence, why David Bowie had a WILL, unlike Prince!! And also, David Bowie wanted to make sure everyone close to him was duly cared for when he died, even his sons' nanny!! Prince only ever wanted to do HIMSELF right and, to some extent, it just didnt pay off for him and probably wont in the future either,as, for example, I cant ever see the Paisley Park Museum lasting more than about 5 years at the most, in all honesty!! It does not have the same tourist revenue pull for the Prince Estate and for the State of Minnesota, as Elvis Presley's Graceland does, not only for the Presley estate, but also for the State of Tennessee!! Literally, hundreds of thousands of fans visit Graceland, all year round, whereas I dont ever think that Paisley Park will ever get that same amount of fans/tourists(particularly in the winter months), so the State of Minnesota is going to do some serious mathwork and realize that Paisley Park is not boosting the tourism revenue(hence, bringing in taxes) and decide to shut it down and then build a far more profitable strip mall in its place!!! Everything has been in utter shambles since Princes' passing!!!



Dont get me wrong, I am a massive fan of them both, always have been, but in this year of 2016 in which we all lost both, I think, in my own personal life, David Bowies' death has had the most effect on me!!!

[Edited 12/23/16 7:09am]

so far, I can't argue with that. Let's keep in mind that Bowie knew he was gonna die therefore preparations were made.prince should of had a will and I fault him for that. Hopefully time will show us more and will appreciate Prince even more
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Reply #2 posted 12/23/16 8:25am

CharismaDove

Prince might not have had a will for the same reason millions of more people went this year without making one -- he didn't think he would die that soon (hence the ACCIDENTAL overdose)
Maybe eye do, just not like eye did before pimp2
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Reply #3 posted 12/23/16 7:19pm

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PurpleSpirit319 said:

I wasnt sure which forum to post this in as it also concerns Prince, but, anyway, here goes:



2016 has been a Godawful, horrible year, as we lost in death 2 of the most talented, prolific, iconic, legendary, outerworldly, God-gifted musicians, performers, songwriters the world has ever known(a personal loss for me, I might add, as I was, and still am, a devoted disciple of them both). David Bowie and Prince.



Now here comes the crunch. There has been a very marked difference in how the world mourned the death of these 2 icons, particularly from an artistic level. In regards the artistic point of view, albeit music, art, books, and other media, the difference between these 2 icons has been VERY noticeable!! Since David Bowies' death the whole world of both music and the written word(books, etc.) has been constantly flooded with expressions of recognition and reflection. In regards books, as an example, bookstores, both bricks and mortar stores and online, there has been an endless supply of new books(some unoffical I might add) released to showcase all aspects and facets of David Bowies life and career. All these books have been extremely well written, by all the people who worked really close to him and knew him on a personal level, and totally beautiful!! Then, in the way of music, a few months ago, David Bowies' Estate, and commissioned by David before his death, officially released one of the most awesome and concise box-sets I have ever had the pleasure of purchasing, the Who Can I Be Now set covering the years of 1974 to 1976, and including the mysterious unreleased album, The Gouster. Then just recently, the newly released Legacy compilation disc. Then to add more gifts for Bowies mourning fans, in January 2017 a new regular fanzine, entitled David Bowie: Glamour, is going to be released of which you can pre-order through www.davidbowienews.com. Plus the fact, that David said goodbye to the world in leaving the brilliant, prolific, thought-provoking album, Blackstar which will always be incredibly mind-blowing to me!!



Now, we come to Prince. Since his death there has been virtually NOTHING new released, apart from some unreleased track downloads. No new books, except that one by Mobeen Azhar and this pathetic Prince 4Ever greatest hits CD, which has had so much hype surrounding it due to ONE unreleased track, Moonbeam Levels, being included!! BIG FUCKING DEAL!!! That track has been on my computer system for AT LEAST 10 years, if not more, because it is part of The Work Volumes' series, and what's more I have it in glorious, pristine FLAC!!! Plus, ALL the endless tributes to Prince have all been tasteless, unorganized shit!! On the other hand, all David Bowie memorials and tributes have really brought such classy and respectful honour to him(except for that embarrassing Lady GaGa one!!LOLOL).



This only proves to me, which icon cared more about his fans!! My vote, goes to David Bowie!! Prince didnt care fuck all about his fans, and this also proves to me that, even in death, Prince is a total control freak and doesnt want to be screwed over!! I am sure that David Bowie had control over his career and output as well, but he also lived in the real world and knew that he had a worldwide fanbase that totally adored him and he wanted to do them right, even when he died, and also he was far more business savvy than Prince ever was, hence, why David Bowie had a WILL, unlike Prince!! And also, David Bowie wanted to make sure everyone close to him was duly cared for when he died, even his sons' nanny!! Prince only ever wanted to do HIMSELF right and, to some extent, it just didnt pay off for him and probably wont in the future either,as, for example, I cant ever see the Paisley Park Museum lasting more than about 5 years at the most, in all honesty!! It does not have the same tourist revenue pull for the Prince Estate and for the State of Minnesota, as Elvis Presley's Graceland does, not only for the Presley estate, but also for the State of Tennessee!! Literally, hundreds of thousands of fans visit Graceland, all year round, whereas I dont ever think that Paisley Park will ever get that same amount of fans/tourists(particularly in the winter months), so the State of Minnesota is going to do some serious mathwork and realize that Paisley Park is not boosting the tourism revenue(hence, bringing in taxes) and decide to shut it down and then build a far more profitable strip mall in its place!!! Everything has been in utter shambles since Princes' passing!!!



Dont get me wrong, I am a massive fan of them both, always have been, but in this year of 2016 in which we all lost both, I think, in my own personal life, David Bowies' death has had the most effect on me!!!

[Edited 12/23/16 7:09am]


--Oh I am sorry Prince did not plan out his death to your specifications. He never cared about his fans so that is the reason he opened his studio to the fans. He was not planning on dropping dead due to mislabled pills and even if he had a will and left everything to his sibs they could be having a massive auction right now it would not mean music would be coming. When the probate is over we will get music in the meantime keep listening to David Bowie and try catching some Holiday cheer.
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Reply #4 posted 12/24/16 8:18am

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laurarichardson said:

PurpleSpirit319 said:

I wasnt sure which forum to post this in as it also concerns Prince, but, anyway, here goes:

2016 has been a Godawful, horrible year, as we lost in death 2 of the most talented, prolific, iconic, legendary, outerworldly, God-gifted musicians, performers, songwriters the world has ever known(a personal loss for me, I might add, as I was, and still am, a devoted disciple of them both). David Bowie and Prince.


Now here comes the crunch. There has been a very marked difference in how the world mourned the death of these 2 icons, particularly from an artistic level. In regards the artistic point of view, albeit music, art, books, and other media, the difference between these 2 icons has been VERY noticeable!! Since David Bowies' death the whole world of both music and the written word(books, etc.) has been constantly flooded with expressions of recognition and reflection. In regards books, as an example, bookstores, both bricks and mortar stores and online, there has been an endless supply of new books(some unoffical I might add) released to showcase all aspects and facets of David Bowies life and career. All these books have been extremely well written, by all the people who worked really close to him and knew him on a personal level, and totally beautiful!! Then, in the way of music, a few months ago, David Bowies' Estate, and commissioned by David before his death, officially released one of the most awesome and concise box-sets I have ever had the pleasure of purchasing, the Who Can I Be Now set covering the years of 1974 to 1976, and including the mysterious unreleased album, The Gouster. Then just recently, the newly released Legacy compilation disc. Then to add more gifts for Bowies mourning fans, in January 2017 a new regular fanzine, entitled David Bowie: Glamour, is going to be released of which you can pre-order through www.davidbowienews.com. Plus the fact, that David said goodbye to the world in leaving the brilliant, prolific, thought-provoking album, Blackstar which will always be incredibly mind-blowing to me!!


Now, we come to Prince. Since his death there has been virtually NOTHING new released, apart from some unreleased track downloads. No new books, except that one by Mobeen Azhar and this pathetic Prince 4Ever greatest hits CD, which has had so much hype surrounding it due to ONE unreleased track, Moonbeam Levels, being included!! BIG FUCKING DEAL!!! That track has been on my computer system for AT LEAST 10 years, if not more, because it is part of The Work Volumes' series, and what's more I have it in glorious, pristine FLAC!!! Plus, ALL the endless tributes to Prince have all been tasteless, unorganized shit!! On the other hand, all David Bowie memorials and tributes have really brought such classy and respectful honour to him(except for that embarrassing Lady GaGa one!!LOLOL).


This only proves to me, which icon cared more about his fans!! My vote, goes to David Bowie!! Prince didnt care fuck all about his fans, and this also proves to me that, even in death, Prince is a total control freak and doesnt want to be screwed over!! I am sure that David Bowie had control over his career and output as well, but he also lived in the real world and knew that he had a worldwide fanbase that totally adored him and he wanted to do them right, even when he died, and also he was far more business savvy than Prince ever was, hence, why David Bowie had a WILL, unlike Prince!! And also, David Bowie wanted to make sure everyone close to him was duly cared for when he died, even his sons' nanny!! Prince only ever wanted to do HIMSELF right and, to some extent, it just didnt pay off for him and probably wont in the future either,as, for example, I cant ever see the Paisley Park Museum lasting more than about 5 years at the most, in all honesty!! It does not have the same tourist revenue pull for the Prince Estate and for the State of Minnesota, as Elvis Presley's Graceland does, not only for the Presley estate, but also for the State of Tennessee!! Literally, hundreds of thousands of fans visit Graceland, all year round, whereas I dont ever think that Paisley Park will ever get that same amount of fans/tourists(particularly in the winter months), so the State of Minnesota is going to do some serious mathwork and realize that Paisley Park is not boosting the tourism revenue(hence, bringing in taxes) and decide to shut it down and then build a far more profitable strip mall in its place!!! Everything has been in utter shambles since Princes' passing!!!


Dont get me wrong, I am a massive fan of them both, always have been, but in this year of 2016 in which we all lost both, I think, in my own personal life, David Bowies' death has had the most effect on me!!!

[Edited 12/23/16 7:09am]

--Oh I am sorry Prince did not plan out his death to your specifications. He never cared about his fans so that is the reason he opened his studio to the fans. He was not planning on dropping dead due to mislabled pills and even if he had a will and left everything to his sibs they could be having a massive auction right now it would not mean music would be coming. When the probate is over we will get music in the meantime keep listening to David Bowie and try catching some Holiday cheer.

The thing is NOBODY knows when they are going to die, which makes it even more important to have a will and other legal directives set up WELL in advance!! Its just plain common sense and protection!!Especially regarding famous people this applies to more!! I dont know when I am going to die, but I still have a will drawn up!! And in the case of David Bowie, yes, he knew he was going to die, so he planned alot of stuff to be released after his death, and even gave permission for people to write books and stuff on him for his fans, but then by some miracle of modern medical technology and advancements his cancer could have gone into remission and he would still have still been alive today and possibly for at least another 10 years or so!!!

[Edited 12/24/16 8:19am]

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PurpleSpirit319 said:



laurarichardson said:


PurpleSpirit319 said:

I wasnt sure which forum to post this in as it also concerns Prince, but, anyway, here goes:



2016 has been a Godawful, horrible year, as we lost in death 2 of the most talented, prolific, iconic, legendary, outerworldly, God-gifted musicians, performers, songwriters the world has ever known(a personal loss for me, I might add, as I was, and still am, a devoted disciple of them both). David Bowie and Prince.



Now here comes the crunch. There has been a very marked difference in how the world mourned the death of these 2 icons, particularly from an artistic level. In regards the artistic point of view, albeit music, art, books, and other media, the difference between these 2 icons has been VERY noticeable!! Since David Bowies' death the whole world of both music and the written word(books, etc.) has been constantly flooded with expressions of recognition and reflection. In regards books, as an example, bookstores, both bricks and mortar stores and online, there has been an endless supply of new books(some unoffical I might add) released to showcase all aspects and facets of David Bowies life and career. All these books have been extremely well written, by all the people who worked really close to him and knew him on a personal level, and totally beautiful!! Then, in the way of music, a few months ago, David Bowies' Estate, and commissioned by David before his death, officially released one of the most awesome and concise box-sets I have ever had the pleasure of purchasing, the Who Can I Be Now set covering the years of 1974 to 1976, and including the mysterious unreleased album, The Gouster. Then just recently, the newly released Legacy compilation disc. Then to add more gifts for Bowies mourning fans, in January 2017 a new regular fanzine, entitled David Bowie: Glamour, is going to be released of which you can pre-order through www.davidbowienews.com. Plus the fact, that David said goodbye to the world in leaving the brilliant, prolific, thought-provoking album, Blackstar which will always be incredibly mind-blowing to me!!



Now, we come to Prince. Since his death there has been virtually NOTHING new released, apart from some unreleased track downloads. No new books, except that one by Mobeen Azhar and this pathetic Prince 4Ever greatest hits CD, which has had so much hype surrounding it due to ONE unreleased track, Moonbeam Levels, being included!! BIG FUCKING DEAL!!! That track has been on my computer system for AT LEAST 10 years, if not more, because it is part of The Work Volumes' series, and what's more I have it in glorious, pristine FLAC!!! Plus, ALL the endless tributes to Prince have all been tasteless, unorganized shit!! On the other hand, all David Bowie memorials and tributes have really brought such classy and respectful honour to him(except for that embarrassing Lady GaGa one!!LOLOL).



This only proves to me, which icon cared more about his fans!! My vote, goes to David Bowie!! Prince didnt care fuck all about his fans, and this also proves to me that, even in death, Prince is a total control freak and doesnt want to be screwed over!! I am sure that David Bowie had control over his career and output as well, but he also lived in the real world and knew that he had a worldwide fanbase that totally adored him and he wanted to do them right, even when he died, and also he was far more business savvy than Prince ever was, hence, why David Bowie had a WILL, unlike Prince!! And also, David Bowie wanted to make sure everyone close to him was duly cared for when he died, even his sons' nanny!! Prince only ever wanted to do HIMSELF right and, to some extent, it just didnt pay off for him and probably wont in the future either,as, for example, I cant ever see the Paisley Park Museum lasting more than about 5 years at the most, in all honesty!! It does not have the same tourist revenue pull for the Prince Estate and for the State of Minnesota, as Elvis Presley's Graceland does, not only for the Presley estate, but also for the State of Tennessee!! Literally, hundreds of thousands of fans visit Graceland, all year round, whereas I dont ever think that Paisley Park will ever get that same amount of fans/tourists(particularly in the winter months), so the State of Minnesota is going to do some serious mathwork and realize that Paisley Park is not boosting the tourism revenue(hence, bringing in taxes) and decide to shut it down and then build a far more profitable strip mall in its place!!! Everything has been in utter shambles since Princes' passing!!!



Dont get me wrong, I am a massive fan of them both, always have been, but in this year of 2016 in which we all lost both, I think, in my own personal life, David Bowies' death has had the most effect on me!!!


[Edited 12/23/16 7:09am]



--Oh I am sorry Prince did not plan out his death to your specifications. He never cared about his fans so that is the reason he opened his studio to the fans. He was not planning on dropping dead due to mislabled pills and even if he had a will and left everything to his sibs they could be having a massive auction right now it would not mean music would be coming. When the probate is over we will get music in the meantime keep listening to David Bowie and try catching some Holiday cheer.

The thing is NOBODY knows when they are going to die, which makes it even more important to have a will and other legal directives set up WELL in advance!! Its just plain common sense and protection!!Especially regarding famous people this applies to more!! I dont know when I am going to die, but I still have a will drawn up!! And in the case of David Bowie, yes, he knew he was going to die, so he planned alot of stuff to be released after his death, and even gave permission for people to write books and stuff on him for his fans, but then by some miracle of modern medical technology and advancements his cancer could have gone into remission and he would still have still been alive today and possibly for at least another 10 years or so!!!


[Edited 12/24/16 8:19am]


Prince had all of the publishing he owned placed it in an LLC we do not know how the LLC was structured but it can set up separately a way from the estate. He did have manager for the LLC and they appear to still be in the picture. So he may have made provisions for the music. In the end wills can contested so there would be no guarantee that things would have gone smoothly if he had one.
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Reply #6 posted 12/24/16 10:03am

heathilly

I think your way to close to the situtaion to judge with a clear mind. Your obviously a spited prince fan looking across the field where the grass appears to be greener. Prince didnt expect to die david bowie did so it makes more sense for him to have his affairs in order. Also prince turned his back on the main stream and thats beginning to surface in the way of publicity and the care factor of regular people. Prince obviously cared abut his fans and was an unothedox man with unotherdox ways of doing things. Dont expect anything greater to happen in his death than in his life as an mj fan that is very clear to me and it will eventually become clear to you.

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Reply #7 posted 12/24/16 10:40am

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What I have taken from both deaths, is that for US the public neither was expected. No one in the public knew Bowie was Ill and no one in the public ever knew a thing about Prince's private world, so whether PRINCE was in agonizing pain, had a surgery, had an addiction we will never know. And the good thing to me is that even those around PRINCE the very close ones, ones that were with him the last few years, all have never had a word to say in an ill way. Whether they knew something was going on, they respect him to stay quiet. And that is similar to what those around BOWIE did, a very small circle knew David was dieing, but no one spoke, no one sold their stories, no one went to twitter, no one leaked photos etc.... And in a time of all this social media where we know what celebs are doing every second and when they take a shit we know it or they feel the need to tell us about it. These two lived and died privately. As I said to someone a month after PRINCE died. I said I really don't care what an autopsy says, if he OD'd if he took something by accident etc...I heard all the scenarios down to the idea he was murdered and I really could care less, he is gone and that part of my world was gone, and that was important, what a test or doctor say isnt going to clear things up for me. But I look back ironically 25 years to the death of Freddie Mercury, now the time was different, there was no social media however, FREDDIE had to hide, he was not allowed privacy, as he laid in his bed photogs hid in the bushes and scaled walls, they camped out and hid in corners and alleys trying to snap a photo of him dieing. But i was honored to hear years later from his band members that they LIED in every interview when pressed on his health, they covered for him, respected and loved him, and WE the public had no right to know those things, and I feel that way now as Bowie and Prince are gone. We have a right to know what they want us to know.


"We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F
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PurpleSpirit319 said:

I wasnt sure which forum to post this in as it also concerns Prince, but, anyway, here goes:

2016 has been a Godawful, horrible year, as we lost in death 2 of the most talented, prolific, iconic, legendary, outerworldly, God-gifted musicians, performers, songwriters the world has ever known(a personal loss for me, I might add, as I was, and still am, a devoted disciple of them both). David Bowie and Prince.


Now here comes the crunch. There has been a very marked difference in how the world mourned the death of these 2 icons, particularly from an artistic level. In regards the artistic point of view, albeit music, art, books, and other media, the difference between these 2 icons has been VERY noticeable!! Since David Bowies' death the whole world of both music and the written word(books, etc.) has been constantly flooded with expressions of recognition and reflection. In regards books, as an example, bookstores, both bricks and mortar stores and online, there has been an endless supply of new books(some unoffical I might add) released to showcase all aspects and facets of David Bowies life and career. All these books have been extremely well written, by all the people who worked really close to him and knew him on a personal level, and totally beautiful!! Then, in the way of music, a few months ago, David Bowies' Estate, and commissioned by David before his death, officially released one of the most awesome and concise box-sets I have ever had the pleasure of purchasing, the Who Can I Be Now set covering the years of 1974 to 1976, and including the mysterious unreleased album, The Gouster. Then just recently, the newly released Legacy compilation disc. Then to add more gifts for Bowies mourning fans, in January 2017 a new regular fanzine, entitled David Bowie: Glamour, is going to be released of which you can pre-order through www.davidbowienews.com. Plus the fact, that David said goodbye to the world in leaving the brilliant, prolific, thought-provoking album, Blackstar which will always be incredibly mind-blowing to me!!


Now, we come to Prince. Since his death there has been virtually NOTHING new released, apart from some unreleased track downloads. No new books, except that one by Mobeen Azhar and this pathetic Prince 4Ever greatest hits CD, which has had so much hype surrounding it due to ONE unreleased track, Moonbeam Levels, being included!! BIG FUCKING DEAL!!! That track has been on my computer system for AT LEAST 10 years, if not more, because it is part of The Work Volumes' series, and what's more I have it in glorious, pristine FLAC!!! Plus, ALL the endless tributes to Prince have all been tasteless, unorganized shit!! On the other hand, all David Bowie memorials and tributes have really brought such classy and respectful honour to him(except for that embarrassing Lady GaGa one!!LOLOL).


This only proves to me, which icon cared more about his fans!! My vote, goes to David Bowie!! Prince didnt care fuck all about his fans, and this also proves to me that, even in death, Prince is a total control freak and doesnt want to be screwed over!! I am sure that David Bowie had control over his career and output as well, but he also lived in the real world and knew that he had a worldwide fanbase that totally adored him and he wanted to do them right, even when he died, and also he was far more business savvy than Prince ever was, hence, why David Bowie had a WILL, unlike Prince!! And also, David Bowie wanted to make sure everyone close to him was duly cared for when he died, even his sons' nanny!! Prince only ever wanted to do HIMSELF right and, to some extent, it just didnt pay off for him and probably wont in the future either,as, for example, I cant ever see the Paisley Park Museum lasting more than about 5 years at the most, in all honesty!! It does not have the same tourist revenue pull for the Prince Estate and for the State of Minnesota, as Elvis Presley's Graceland does, not only for the Presley estate, but also for the State of Tennessee!! Literally, hundreds of thousands of fans visit Graceland, all year round, whereas I dont ever think that Paisley Park will ever get that same amount of fans/tourists(particularly in the winter months), so the State of Minnesota is going to do some serious mathwork and realize that Paisley Park is not boosting the tourism revenue(hence, bringing in taxes) and decide to shut it down and then build a far more profitable strip mall in its place!!! Everything has been in utter shambles since Princes' passing!!!


Dont get me wrong, I am a massive fan of them both, always have been, but in this year of 2016 in which we all lost both, I think, in my own personal life, David Bowies' death has had the most effect on me!!!

[Edited 12/23/16 7:09am]

Bowie was well aware and in poor health. PRINCE even if he knew and in pain was NEVER gonna let that be known. As for releases that have come out, BOWIE had just released a knew album and PRINCE had phase II which is a totally different vibe. Since death its insanity to equate the LOVE they have gotten, I saw the same amount of magazines about their lives come out, in fact PRINCE had many more dedications and full issues. Prince and Bowie were very private and the last decade between Bowies last album and the "NEXT DAY" album he was very much out of the spotlight PRINCE was never really gone, he always had something out except really in the time after LOTUS FLOWER which is where people have said that "surgery" and pain kicked in. But in the end PRINCE's plan may have been to not have a will, David had a wife kids etc...Prince had NO ONE. Also PRINCE's belief was that in the end MONEY has no power. SO he might have wanted it this way, no will, no fights because what is their fight over?? Will the vault be open etc...all these issues are what we are talking about, and to be honest it is selfish. I get the fact we want music, yes I want it too. BUT lets take this scenario, say PRINCE never was going to release anything from that vault and he LIVED to age 85, now think of your self 28 years from now, are you going to be running to stores and wondering when are you getting that studio version of "open book" or "empty room"?


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Reply #9 posted 12/24/16 4:43pm

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Prince or any other artist is under no obligation to "care" about fammies, especially posthumously. disbelief

His job was creating art and performing. We are his patrons, not his children.

Still, it was a tremendous inspiration to me to discover just how many people he actually helped an took care of when he didn't have to....some not even music related. That's more than enough and I'm more than thankful for what Prince shared with us in life. So much so that I feel no need to place any demands on him now that he has passed on.

It probably wasn't the OP's intention but it does come off as selfish, not to mention an unfair comparison.

Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise.
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Reply #10 posted 12/24/16 7:19pm

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I believe Prince cared about his fans. He gave it his all on stage and in the studio. A lot of people did nice and thoughful tributes to Prince and I can see the tributes growing in time. The man just died not too long ago, what is the big rush to release music, books, etc? If Prince was not so prolific, it would be nothing to demand or expect. Prince took care of family and friends. It is well documented. He gave to people and causes that mattered to him when he was alive and did not make a big deal about it. I believe Paisley Park will be successful, it's just the matter of getting things in order and seeing what works and what dosen't. I just ordered some merchandise from the Paisley Park website. It came in the mail in a timely fashion. As for not having a will, it is what it. At the end of the day will or no will how much can you control after you leave this world.

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Reply #11 posted 12/24/16 7:23pm

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lastdecember said:

What I have taken from both deaths, is that for US the public neither was expected. No one in the public knew Bowie was Ill and no one in the public ever knew a thing about Prince's private world, so whether PRINCE was in agonizing pain, had a surgery, had an addiction we will never know. And the good thing to me is that even those around PRINCE the very close ones, ones that were with him the last few years, all have never had a word to say in an ill way. Whether they knew something was going on, they respect him to stay quiet. And that is similar to what those around BOWIE did, a very small circle knew David was dieing, but no one spoke, no one sold their stories, no one went to twitter, no one leaked photos etc.... And in a time of all this social media where we know what celebs are doing every second and when they take a shit we know it or they feel the need to tell us about it. These two lived and died privately. As I said to someone a month after PRINCE died. I said I really don't care what an autopsy says, if he OD'd if he took something by accident etc...I heard all the scenarios down to the idea he was murdered and I really could care less, he is gone and that part of my world was gone, and that was important, what a test or doctor say isnt going to clear things up for me. But I look back ironically 25 years to the death of Freddie Mercury, now the time was different, there was no social media however, FREDDIE had to hide, he was not allowed privacy, as he laid in his bed photogs hid in the bushes and scaled walls, they camped out and hid in corners and alleys trying to snap a photo of him dieing. But i was honored to hear years later from his band members that they LIED in every interview when pressed on his health, they covered for him, respected and loved him, and WE the public had no right to know those things, and I feel that way now as Bowie and Prince are gone. We have a right to know what they want us to know.

well I seen people on this site saying they are not going to support the estate becase the family or friends won't say what happen to Prince. I think it's mess up attitude to have.

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PurpleSpirit319 said:

I wasnt sure which forum to post this in as it also concerns Prince, but, anyway, here goes:



2016 has been a Godawful, horrible year, as we lost in death 2 of the most talented, prolific, iconic, legendary, outerworldly, God-gifted musicians, performers, songwriters the world has ever known(a personal loss for me, I might add, as I was, and still am, a devoted disciple of them both). David Bowie and Prince.



Now here comes the crunch. There has been a very marked difference in how the world mourned the death of these 2 icons, particularly from an artistic level. In regards the artistic point of view, albeit music, art, books, and other media, the difference between these 2 icons has been VERY noticeable!! Since David Bowies' death the whole world of both music and the written word(books, etc.) has been constantly flooded with expressions of recognition and reflection. In regards books, as an example, bookstores, both bricks and mortar stores and online, there has been an endless supply of new books(some unoffical I might add) released to showcase all aspects and facets of David Bowies life and career. All these books have been extremely well written, by all the people who worked really close to him and knew him on a personal level, and totally beautiful!! Then, in the way of music, a few months ago, David Bowies' Estate, and commissioned by David before his death, officially released one of the most awesome and concise box-sets I have ever had the pleasure of purchasing, the Who Can I Be Now set covering the years of 1974 to 1976, and including the mysterious unreleased album, The Gouster. Then just recently, the newly released Legacy compilation disc. Then to add more gifts for Bowies mourning fans, in January 2017 a new regular fanzine, entitled David Bowie: Glamour, is going to be released of which you can pre-order through www.davidbowienews.com. Plus the fact, that David said goodbye to the world in leaving the brilliant, prolific, thought-provoking album, Blackstar which will always be incredibly mind-blowing to me!!



Now, we come to Prince. Since his death there has been virtually NOTHING new released, apart from some unreleased track downloads. No new books, except that one by Mobeen Azhar and this pathetic Prince 4Ever greatest hits CD, which has had so much hype surrounding it due to ONE unreleased track, Moonbeam Levels, being included!! BIG FUCKING DEAL!!! That track has been on my computer system for AT LEAST 10 years, if not more, because it is part of The Work Volumes' series, and what's more I have it in glorious, pristine FLAC!!! Plus, ALL the endless tributes to Prince have all been tasteless, unorganized shit!! On the other hand, all David Bowie memorials and tributes have really brought such classy and respectful honour to him(except for that embarrassing Lady GaGa one!!LOLOL).



This only proves to me, which icon cared more about his fans!! My vote, goes to David Bowie!! Prince didnt care fuck all about his fans, and this also proves to me that, even in death, Prince is a total control freak and doesnt want to be screwed over!! I am sure that David Bowie had control over his career and output as well, but he also lived in the real world and knew that he had a worldwide fanbase that totally adored him and he wanted to do them right, even when he died, and also he was far more business savvy than Prince ever was, hence, why David Bowie had a WILL, unlike Prince!! And also, David Bowie wanted to make sure everyone close to him was duly cared for when he died, even his sons' nanny!! Prince only ever wanted to do HIMSELF right and, to some extent, it just didnt pay off for him and probably wont in the future either,as, for example, I cant ever see the Paisley Park Museum lasting more than about 5 years at the most, in all honesty!! It does not have the same tourist revenue pull for the Prince Estate and for the State of Minnesota, as Elvis Presley's Graceland does, not only for the Presley estate, but also for the State of Tennessee!! Literally, hundreds of thousands of fans visit Graceland, all year round, whereas I dont ever think that Paisley Park will ever get that same amount of fans/tourists(particularly in the winter months), so the State of Minnesota is going to do some serious mathwork and realize that Paisley Park is not boosting the tourism revenue(hence, bringing in taxes) and decide to shut it down and then build a far more profitable strip mall in its place!!! Everything has been in utter shambles since Princes' passing!!!



Dont get me wrong, I am a massive fan of them both, always have been, but in this year of 2016 in which we all lost both, I think, in my own personal life, David Bowies' death has had the most effect on me!!!

[Edited 12/23/16 7:09am]



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Reply #13 posted 12/25/16 7:13am

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Purplestar88 said:

lastdecember said:

What I have taken from both deaths, is that for US the public neither was expected. No one in the public knew Bowie was Ill and no one in the public ever knew a thing about Prince's private world, so whether PRINCE was in agonizing pain, had a surgery, had an addiction we will never know. And the good thing to me is that even those around PRINCE the very close ones, ones that were with him the last few years, all have never had a word to say in an ill way. Whether they knew something was going on, they respect him to stay quiet. And that is similar to what those around BOWIE did, a very small circle knew David was dieing, but no one spoke, no one sold their stories, no one went to twitter, no one leaked photos etc.... And in a time of all this social media where we know what celebs are doing every second and when they take a shit we know it or they feel the need to tell us about it. These two lived and died privately. As I said to someone a month after PRINCE died. I said I really don't care what an autopsy says, if he OD'd if he took something by accident etc...I heard all the scenarios down to the idea he was murdered and I really could care less, he is gone and that part of my world was gone, and that was important, what a test or doctor say isnt going to clear things up for me. But I look back ironically 25 years to the death of Freddie Mercury, now the time was different, there was no social media however, FREDDIE had to hide, he was not allowed privacy, as he laid in his bed photogs hid in the bushes and scaled walls, they camped out and hid in corners and alleys trying to snap a photo of him dieing. But i was honored to hear years later from his band members that they LIED in every interview when pressed on his health, they covered for him, respected and loved him, and WE the public had no right to know those things, and I feel that way now as Bowie and Prince are gone. We have a right to know what they want us to know.

well I seen people on this site saying they are not going to support the estate becase the family or friends won't say what happen to Prince. I think it's mess up attitude to have.

Oh i have seen the same, the ANGER over the 4EVER release, the "Im not buying it" talk and yet I am sure most of them were first to buy it. With PRINCE i still feel the same petty arguments are coming out in LIFE and now in DEATH. When are you going to release this, you should release that, why this compilation, etc....As for his death we will never know because we don't know how it all started why it started and also those last moments. We can guess and I am sure his family did not even know the truth. If band members, if Judith Hill who performed with him that night that he lost conscious on the plane while she spoke to him had no clue what was wrong, then he really was keeping this secret. For all we know he was trying to find a way out of this addiction without involving the world, we are talking about a man that really is private and also never has had a scandal I mean really has he? and don't can't the name change because he created that himself, I am talking some drama health scandal or addictions etc... NO he didn't and I do not doubt he was scared that this was happening and knew that it would get out. This is not a guy who had tons of friends that he hung out with etc..he woke alone and slept alone and spent most days alone, unless playing then he called you into his world.


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PurpleSpirit319 said:

I wasnt sure which forum to post this in as it also concerns Prince, but, anyway, here goes:

2016 has been a Godawful, horrible year, as we lost in death 2 of the most talented, prolific, iconic, legendary, outerworldly, God-gifted musicians, performers, songwriters the world has ever known(a personal loss for me, I might add, as I was, and still am, a devoted disciple of them both). David Bowie and Prince.


Now here comes the crunch. There has been a very marked difference in how the world mourned the death of these 2 icons, particularly from an artistic level. In regards the artistic point of view, albeit music, art, books, and other media, the difference between these 2 icons has been VERY noticeable!! Since David Bowies' death the whole world of both music and the written word(books, etc.) has been constantly flooded with expressions of recognition and reflection. In regards books, as an example, bookstores, both bricks and mortar stores and online, there has been an endless supply of new books(some unoffical I might add) released to showcase all aspects and facets of David Bowies life and career. All these books have been extremely well written, by all the people who worked really close to him and knew him on a personal level, and totally beautiful!! Then, in the way of music, a few months ago, David Bowies' Estate, and commissioned by David before his death, officially released one of the most awesome and concise box-sets I have ever had the pleasure of purchasing, the Who Can I Be Now set covering the years of 1974 to 1976, and including the mysterious unreleased album, The Gouster. Then just recently, the newly released Legacy compilation disc. Then to add more gifts for Bowies mourning fans, in January 2017 a new regular fanzine, entitled David Bowie: Glamour, is going to be released of which you can pre-order through www.davidbowienews.com. Plus the fact, that David said goodbye to the world in leaving the brilliant, prolific, thought-provoking album, Blackstar which will always be incredibly mind-blowing to me!!


Now, we come to Prince. Since his death there has been virtually NOTHING new released, apart from some unreleased track downloads. No new books, except that one by Mobeen Azhar and this pathetic Prince 4Ever greatest hits CD, which has had so much hype surrounding it due to ONE unreleased track, Moonbeam Levels, being included!! BIG FUCKING DEAL!!! That track has been on my computer system for AT LEAST 10 years, if not more, because it is part of The Work Volumes' series, and what's more I have it in glorious, pristine FLAC!!! Plus, ALL the endless tributes to Prince have all been tasteless, unorganized shit!! On the other hand, all David Bowie memorials and tributes have really brought such classy and respectful honour to him(except for that embarrassing Lady GaGa one!!LOLOL).


This only proves to me, which icon cared more about his fans!! My vote, goes to David Bowie!! Prince didnt care fuck all about his fans, and this also proves to me that, even in death, Prince is a total control freak and doesnt want to be screwed over!! I am sure that David Bowie had control over his career and output as well, but he also lived in the real world and knew that he had a worldwide fanbase that totally adored him and he wanted to do them right, even when he died, and also he was far more business savvy than Prince ever was, hence, why David Bowie had a WILL, unlike Prince!! And also, David Bowie wanted to make sure everyone close to him was duly cared for when he died, even his sons' nanny!! Prince only ever wanted to do HIMSELF right and, to some extent, it just didnt pay off for him and probably wont in the future either,as, for example, I cant ever see the Paisley Park Museum lasting more than about 5 years at the most, in all honesty!! It does not have the same tourist revenue pull for the Prince Estate and for the State of Minnesota, as Elvis Presley's Graceland does, not only for the Presley estate, but also for the State of Tennessee!! Literally, hundreds of thousands of fans visit Graceland, all year round, whereas I dont ever think that Paisley Park will ever get that same amount of fans/tourists(particularly in the winter months), so the State of Minnesota is going to do some serious mathwork and realize that Paisley Park is not boosting the tourism revenue(hence, bringing in taxes) and decide to shut it down and then build a far more profitable strip mall in its place!!! Everything has been in utter shambles since Princes' passing!!!


Dont get me wrong, I am a massive fan of them both, always have been, but in this year of 2016 in which we all lost both, I think, in my own personal life, David Bowies' death has had the most effect on me!!!

[Edited 12/23/16 7:09am]

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PurpleSpirit319 said:

I wasnt sure which forum to post this in as it also concerns Prince, but, anyway, here goes:

2016 has been a Godawful, horrible year, as we lost in death 2 of the most talented, prolific, iconic, legendary, outerworldly, God-gifted musicians, performers, songwriters the world has ever known(a personal loss for me, I might add, as I was, and still am, a devoted disciple of them both). David Bowie and Prince.


Now here comes the crunch. There has been a very marked difference in how the world mourned the death of these 2 icons, particularly from an artistic level. In regards the artistic point of view, albeit music, art, books, and other media, the difference between these 2 icons has been VERY noticeable!! Since David Bowies' death the whole world of both music and the written word(books, etc.) has been constantly flooded with expressions of recognition and reflection. In regards books, as an example, bookstores, both bricks and mortar stores and online, there has been an endless supply of new books(some unoffical I might add) released to showcase all aspects and facets of David Bowies life and career. All these books have been extremely well written, by all the people who worked really close to him and knew him on a personal level, and totally beautiful!! Then, in the way of music, a few months ago, David Bowies' Estate, and commissioned by David before his death, officially released one of the most awesome and concise box-sets I have ever had the pleasure of purchasing, the Who Can I Be Now set covering the years of 1974 to 1976, and including the mysterious unreleased album, The Gouster. Then just recently, the newly released Legacy compilation disc. Then to add more gifts for Bowies mourning fans, in January 2017 a new regular fanzine, entitled David Bowie: Glamour, is going to be released of which you can pre-order through www.davidbowienews.com. Plus the fact, that David said goodbye to the world in leaving the brilliant, prolific, thought-provoking album, Blackstar which will always be incredibly mind-blowing to me!!


Now, we come to Prince. Since his death there has been virtually NOTHING new released, apart from some unreleased track downloads. No new books, except that one by Mobeen Azhar and this pathetic Prince 4Ever greatest hits CD, which has had so much hype surrounding it due to ONE unreleased track, Moonbeam Levels, being included!! BIG FUCKING DEAL!!! That track has been on my computer system for AT LEAST 10 years, if not more, because it is part of The Work Volumes' series, and what's more I have it in glorious, pristine FLAC!!! Plus, ALL the endless tributes to Prince have all been tasteless, unorganized shit!! On the other hand, all David Bowie memorials and tributes have really brought such classy and respectful honour to him(except for that embarrassing Lady GaGa one!!LOLOL).


This only proves to me, which icon cared more about his fans!! My vote, goes to David Bowie!! Prince didnt care fuck all about his fans, and this also proves to me that, even in death, Prince is a total control freak and doesnt want to be screwed over!! I am sure that David Bowie had control over his career and output as well, but he also lived in the real world and knew that he had a worldwide fanbase that totally adored him and he wanted to do them right, even when he died, and also he was far more business savvy than Prince ever was, hence, why David Bowie had a WILL, unlike Prince!! And also, David Bowie wanted to make sure everyone close to him was duly cared for when he died, even his sons' nanny!! Prince only ever wanted to do HIMSELF right and, to some extent, it just didnt pay off for him and probably wont in the future either,as, for example, I cant ever see the Paisley Park Museum lasting more than about 5 years at the most, in all honesty!! It does not have the same tourist revenue pull for the Prince Estate and for the State of Minnesota, as Elvis Presley's Graceland does, not only for the Presley estate, but also for the State of Tennessee!! Literally, hundreds of thousands of fans visit Graceland, all year round, whereas I dont ever think that Paisley Park will ever get that same amount of fans/tourists(particularly in the winter months), so the State of Minnesota is going to do some serious mathwork and realize that Paisley Park is not boosting the tourism revenue(hence, bringing in taxes) and decide to shut it down and then build a far more profitable strip mall in its place!!! Everything has been in utter shambles since Princes' passing!!!


Dont get me wrong, I am a massive fan of them both, always have been, but in this year of 2016 in which we all lost both, I think, in my own personal life, David Bowies' death has had the most effect on me!!!

[Edited 12/23/16 7:09am]



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