Onthe1jb said:

I saw the david gest documentary on mj on sky arts. Has anyone seen that? The celebrity culture and pressures are on another level when it comes to the mecca which is the usa and hollywood . They created this whole concept the world now goes by and michael jackson was for many many reasons at a level of the bar which won't / can't be reached by anyone. When you think of how young he started in such a major way and then the idea of re inventing yourself will never be matched by anyone unless they are that sucessful, that naturally talented , absorbs somuch and literally change their appearance . Along with having a roller coaster ' celebrity , famous ' life. This was a complete one off intentionall or not.

But bottom line hands down, he was a fundamentally good person. Not bad. And to live an existence where the world can visibly see your kindness and giving to others in a non contrived way and then still have such an unhappy life that was full of attacks and bullying and ridicule was v sad. Such an over whelming life, imagine life being THAT full on every single day for so many years. Elvis Sinatra Prince etc all went through it too but none of them were bullied and laughed at in the press and on news like mj. So being that famous and having all those news reports.Impossible to ignore. I'm not saying he didn't help preventing those matters , he didn't and behaviour like the dangling can't be justified. But aside from that, what did he do in public that was so wrong? And yet all the targeting and accusations.

Anyway, i always felt yes it was a bit of a disaster with mj not in a good place health wise to do the madison square shows but i will always love david for being a friend , sticking with him and organising a very happy moment for mj on stage over those 2 nights and for his mum to see them all on stage again. That was a great idea and david pulled it off in the end with that special.

David Gest = Opportunist, he was NO friend.......I tried to watch awhile back but he along with some of his sibs etc in that doco really annoyed me.....that is the vibe I got from it, them wanting to take all the credit, while at the same time throwing him under the bus for attention and $$$$$$$....."we tried to save him," .

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ML2016 said:

Scorp said:

ML2016 said: And how were his family psychopaths Hus family were the leaat if his troubles Were his nieces and nephews psychopaths too Outside of that fake stun gun incident cooked up by followers, his nieces and nephews have not done anything that would considered to be criminal

Exactly the opposite. His family were his biggest enemies. There's a reason MJ constantly felt the need to insert himself in other people's families.

Not all, but some of them had their own agendas, which I said early was influenced by how they were raised to beleive that they couldn't survive on their own talent with MJ! eg. hence the constant pressure for family reunions etc.

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I still wonder how his life would have turned out if Thriller had never been made...

MichaelJackson5 said:

ML2016 said:

MJ didn't just take Jordy to the WMA: he took June and Lilly as well.

Settling the case out of court was the biggest mistake of MJ's life. It was what triggered all other accusations against him. The proof, once more, that he was weak-minded and lived in his own lunatic world. At the same time, you could

also blame it on the fact that the civil trial was going to be tried before the criminal one which meant MJ would not be going to get a fair trial. MJ's lawyers spent months filing motions to have the criminal trial come first, while Larry Feldman, who fought like a tiger for a settlement, counter-filed all those motions.

And, yes, he had a weird relationship with Jordy, but I think (and Mesereau strongly implied in court) that he was romantically linked to June and took- in his mind- the role of the father of the family. I mean, everyday MJ would come home and have dinner with this family. He pratically adopted them as his own family, or they adopted him.

Still, that's how MJ started spending his life after 1984: sharing his bed with children and playing family with families that were not his own (though he did the right thing not to want anything with those psycopaths he had for a family). Meanwhile, the awesome music up until that point stopped, he released an album every 4 years because he was too busy having slumber parties with children and never bothered to evolve his act like, for example, learning to play an instrument.

I've never seen MJ romantically linked to women unless they were part of a sham marriage like LMP. If there was a romance with June Chandler, where are the paparrazi photos of them together? You'd think they could manage one photo of MJ kissing the woman or something, right?

It seems to me MJ had a "thing" for slumber parties, and mostly with young boys too. It's not hard to see how some would view the man as a child molester. I don't think he was one but then $20 million is still a lot of money, especially in 1993.

Dangerous and HIStory were actually pretty good albums. If he stayed true to himself, they'd have been much bigger sellers in America. It's like the real MJ vanished around 1986. MJ got wreckless with the surgeries and with the sleepovers. The perfect storm to destroy his image with his American fans.

Well according to Dr Murray who has always told the troot that MJ like young girls, took injections to stop puberty, was chemically castrated, wanted a brain transplant and never been to a strip club (despite the fact that in the early days of the Jackson 5 they performed in strip clubs)

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MattyJam said:

ML2016 said:

Fellow MJ fans, after reading the evidence for the 100th time I'm 100000% sure MJ never touched that liar Arvizo. It's impossible to believe he did after reading what happened. The evidence in MJ's favor is SO overwhelming I'm surprised the case made it to trial. I'd put my hands on fire. The only thing left in MJ's favor was the kid saying he lied because, apart from that, the evidence is staggeringly benefitial to Michael.

The evidence in the Jordan Chandler's case also goes in MJ's favor. BUT, to this day, I still don't understand why did MJ make such a point of sleeping with Jordan. Why would a thirty something year old man cry when denied a chance of sleeping with a 13 yo boy? Why did the two always sleep together? I don't get it. And why was MJ obsessed with this boy?

I'm not saying this to cause a stir because I love MJ but this two questions remain unanswered.

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Well, who was the source of that information regarding MJ crying about not being allowed to sleep with Jordan? That came directly from June Chandler's testimony, so already you have to question its integrity, as she has proven that she will say and go along with anything if the price is right.

I'm not saying it didn't happen, but it shouldn't be accepted as gospel. The whole trouble with the 93 case is that MJ's side never got the chance to present their defense. The reason the Arvizo trial is seen as a joke is because their lies were exposed on the stand and what passes as admissable evidence in a court of law is very different to the muddied waters and sleazy innuendo that the media circus push. Thomas Mesereau said that he had people who knew Jordan Chandler willing to take the stand and testify that Jordan had admitted to them that MJ never touched him.

Associated Press special correspondent Linda Deutsch talks about the Michael Jackson trial in 2005 very interesting https://youtu.be/nraZ8DuduAU around 5.46 every enlightening indeed

purplethunder3121 said:

I still wonder how his life would have turned out if Thriller had never been made...

Woulda, shoulda, coulda.......we will never know....is it what is is. Look I don't see MJ, Bowie or Prince with rose coloured glasses but at least with Prince and Bowie they weren't in the spolight as a child, having have to face the constant pressure of being the bread winner of that dysfunctional showbiz family..... you just have to look how some of them have behaved since 2009! Yes some of his poor judgments led to his early demise lets be blunt about this, it was helped along the way by opportunists wanting attention and $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$....and they are still after 7 years at it.

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Few days ago

USA
Best selling albums of 2016
(Week 29)


Rank - Estimated 2016 Sales - TITLE - Artist - ( Estimated total Soundscan sales)


#92 - 96,000 - OFF THE WALL - Michael Jackson ( 2,306,000 )


#108 - 81,000 - BAD - Michael Jackson ( 2,099,000 )


#123 - 73,000 - THRILLER - Michael Jackson ( 6,676,000 )


#153 - 64,000 - THE ESSENTIAL - Michael Jackson ( 2,505,000 )


#171 - 59,000 - NUMBER ONES - Michael Jackson ( 5,305,000 )


Source: oldbloke

Thriller has sold 6,000,000 copies this year alone? no way.

214 said:

Thriller has sold 6,000,000 copies this year alone? no way.

I don't know if that figure is accurate.....but Yuuuuuuuup despite all the shit that has been flung at him recently, MJ still sells

Michael's albums chart every single year. At one point this year, Off The Wall was charting higher than some new releases due to the OTW documentary.

Goddess4Real said:

purplethunder3121 said:

I still wonder how his life would have turned out if Thriller had never been made...

Woulda, shoulda, coulda.......we will never know....is it what is is. Look I don't see MJ, Bowie or Prince with rose coloured glasses but at least with Prince and Bowie they weren't in the spolight as a child, having have to face the constant pressure of being the bread winner of that dysfunctional showbiz family..... you just have to look how some of them have behaved since 2009! Yes some of his poor judgments led to his early demise lets be blunt about this, it was helped along the way by opportunists wanting attention and $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$....and they are still after 7 years at it.

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Agree!

Goddess4Real said:

214 said:

Thriller has sold 6,000,000 copies this year alone? no way.

I don't know if that figure is accurate.....but Yuuuuuuuup despite all the shit that has been flung at him recently, MJ still sells

I think these figure sales are false.

Goddess4Real said:

"One if these days, this narrative will be defeated once and for all and all this madness will finally be put to rest."

I think it will be a very long time before that ever happens, because there are too many opportunists with an agenda who want to maintin the mythology surrounding MJ for their own gain.

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Goddess4Real said:

"One if these days, this narrative will be defeated once and for all and all this madness will finally be put to rest."

I think it will be a very long time before that ever happens, because there are too many opportunists with an agenda who want to maintin the mythology surrounding MJ for their own gain.

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that formula is running out fast,

that's why everyone's trying to cash in now at the same time because the well has run dry....

over 300 books written since 2009 and not one of them dig deep into the heart of the matter

there's no more music coming down the pike, so the pulsators are giving it one last go by perpetrating the madness and then after all the smoke clears, the last remnant is the truth

and that will be the kicker

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I'm having another epitah: I can't understand why MJ was so obsessed with sleeping with young boys. I honestly don't get it. I became a fan again 4 months ago but there are facts that are turning me off again. I'm not bothered by his family's psycopathy anymore. I don't give a flying crap about those lowlife, morally inferior people (*ready to be called racist*). Now what's turning me off are the tales of MJ having a compulsion to sleep with little boys. I think he was asexual but I simply don't have an answer as to why he made such a point to sleep with his little male special friends.

ML2016 said:

I'm having another epitah: I can't understand why MJ was so obsessed with sleeping with young boys. I honestly don't get it. I became a fan again 4 months ago but there are facts that are turning me off again. I'm not bothered by his family's psycopathy anymore. I don't give a flying crap about those lowlife, morally inferior people (*ready to be called racist*). Now what's turning me off are the tales of MJ having a compulsion to sleep with little boys. I think he was asexual but I simply don't have an answer as to why he made such a point to sleep with his little male special friends.

I think these links will perhaps answer all your questions/concerns and maybe change your epitah once again http://www.allforloveblog...ge_id=5080 and about those "allegations" http://www.allforloveblog.com/?cat=20 Raven Woods has written blogs for Huffington Post with the latest on that Conrad mess that has been polluting the airwaves http://www.huffingtonpost...39c23eb009

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Goddess4Real said:

ML2016 said:

I'm having another epitah: I can't understand why MJ was so obsessed with sleeping with young boys. I honestly don't get it. I became a fan again 4 months ago but there are facts that are turning me off again. I'm not bothered by his family's psycopathy anymore. I don't give a flying crap about those lowlife, morally inferior people (*ready to be called racist*). Now what's turning me off are the tales of MJ having a compulsion to sleep with little boys. I think he was asexual but I simply don't have an answer as to why he made such a point to sleep with his little male special friends.

I think these links will perhaps answer all your questions/concerns and maybe change your epitah once again http://www.allforloveblog...ge_id=5080 and about those "allegations" http://www.allforloveblog.com/?cat=20 Raven Woods has written blogs for Huffington Post with the latest on that Conrad mess that has been polluting the airwaves http://www.huffingtonpost...39c23eb009

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I've read vindicatemj and Charles Thomson over and over again and it's clear AS DAY that MJ did not touch any kid, the exception being Jordan Chandler. The evidence is staggeringly in MJ's favor in the Jordan Chandler case but I'm not 100% sure in this case as I'm in others. But it still doesn't explain why MJ was obsessed with sleeping with children. He did not touch those kids (maybe Chandler only) but why was he fucking obsessed with sleeping with kids? Why, even after the first accusations, did he continue being obsessed by it? I know MJ was a fucking mental aberration but it still doesn't explain it.

thedoorkeeper said:

You will never know why he liked sleeping with kids. Forget about it or forget about MJ. If you can't get over his past & enjoy his music then just walk away. Its pointless asking questions over & over again that will never be answered.

Indeed, it's pointless.

ML2016 said:

I miss Michael

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mjscarousal said:

I miss Michael

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Me too.

Goddess4Real said:

ML2016 said:

I've read vindicatemj and Charles Thomson over and over again and it's clear AS DAY that MJ did not touch any kid, the exception being Jordan Chandler. The evidence is staggeringly in MJ's favor in the Jordan Chandler case but I'm not 100% sure in this case as I'm in others. But it still doesn't explain why MJ was obsessed with sleeping with children. He did not touch those kids (maybe Chandler only) but why was he fucking obsessed with sleeping with kids? Why, even after the first accusations, did he continue being obsessed by it? I know MJ was a fucking mental aberration but it still doesn't explain it.

More like the Chandlers were obsessed with MJ, and there is a ton of evidence that supports this. Eg. Evan'a phone call to Ray bragging about framing MJ which u can hear on YT....and Jordy'a filing a assault charges against his father etc. If you choose to believe otherwise that's your prerogative. That is all I will say on the matter. [Edited 8/4/16 16:28pm] [Edited 8/4/16 17:39pm]

Didn't MJ bring Jordy to the 1993 World Music Awards and didn't MJ spend 40 consecutives days/nights with Jordy at Jordy's house?

Looks like the obssession was mutual to me.

Goddess4Real said:

ML2016 said:

I've read vindicatemj and Charles Thomson over and over again and it's clear AS DAY that MJ did not touch any kid, the exception being Jordan Chandler. The evidence is staggeringly in MJ's favor in the Jordan Chandler case but I'm not 100% sure in this case as I'm in others. But it still doesn't explain why MJ was obsessed with sleeping with children. He did not touch those kids (maybe Chandler only) but why was he fucking obsessed with sleeping with kids? Why, even after the first accusations, did he continue being obsessed by it? I know MJ was a fucking mental aberration but it still doesn't explain it.

More like the Chandlers were obsessed with MJ, and there is a ton of evidence that supports this. Eg. Evan'a phone call to Ray bragging about framing MJ which u can hear on YT....and Jordy'a filing a assault charges against his father etc. If you choose to believe otherwise that's your prerogative. That is all I will say on the matter. [Edited 8/4/16 16:28pm] [Edited 8/4/16 17:39pm]

Excellent post.

They just wanted money and were users.

Just because the Chandlers were financially movitated doesn't absolve MJ of anything. I don't think he molested Jordy but nobody knows what happened except the kid and MJ.

It's like if you got into a car accident and it's your fault, even if the other guy wants you to pay him $1000 or he'll notify the cops or his insurance company, that doesn't mean the accident wasn't your fault to begin with.

Another interesting article called Michael Jackson Effect on Artists, Athletes, etc. http://thyblackman.com/20...letes-etc/

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MichaelJackson5 said:

It's like if you got into a car accident and it's your fault, even if the other guy wants you to pay him $1000 or he'll notify the cops or his insurance company, that doesn't mean the accident wasn't your fault to begin with.

Wow in my class today the lecturer used that very example you have described as an argument often used by the prosecution in date rape cases, when defending their clients or the recent census debacle where the site was shut down due to the hackers....and one of the commentators used that example to highlight the government's incompetance.

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Goddess4Real said:

MichaelJackson5 said:

It's like if you got into a car accident and it's your fault, even if the other guy wants you to pay him $1000 or he'll notify the cops or his insurance company, that doesn't mean the accident wasn't your fault to begin with.

Wow in my class today the lecturer used that very example you have described as an argument often used by the prosecution in date rape cases, when defending their clients or the recent census debacle where the site was shut down due to the hackers....and one of the commentators used that example to highlight the government's incompetance.

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The Gavin Arvizzo case is cut and dry for me with regards to MJ's innocence. The Chandler case is not because $20 million is a huge sum of money to settle, even today, let along 23 years ago.

That amount of money is enough to live comfortably for 4-5 lifetimes. The settlement was a dumb decision by MJ and Johnny Cochrane. They should have fought it out in a civil court. But nobody's ever going to know the truth except Jordy himself and possibly June.