nd33 said:

free2bfreeda said:

this thread is getting more and more fun

Your sarcasm detector is definitely active, right?!

oops!

free2bfreeda said:

nd33 said:

Micky, all this evidence you're presenting doesn't mean the Beatles impacted music in any way shape or form.

In fact I heard the Beatles didn't really land on the moon either...

this is getting to be fun!!!!!

Top 10 Most Covered Artists

: https://blog.whosampled.c...d-artists/

excerpt:

1. The Beatles (2710 Covers)

As the most iconic rock band of their generation (and maybe ever), it’s no surprise that The Beatles come in at #1 on our list. Multiple other most-covered artists on the list have re-interpreted The Beatles at some point, The Rolling Stones covered ‘I Wanna Be Your Man‘, Michael Jackson’s version of ‘Come Together‘ successfully replicates the original’s distinctive beat and rhythm on a drum machine and Stevie Wonder provided a characteristically soulful take on ‘We Can Work It Out‘. The iconic songwriting has frequently been reinterpreted by funk, soul and jazz artists, in turn providing sample material utilized in hip hop and beyond – that iconic bassline from Gang Starr‘s ‘Dwyck‘ for example was lifted from a cover version of Hey Jude! ‘Yesterday‘ has been covered a staggering 145 times, making it the most covered track on the site.

impact definition: influence <-------

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Good grief, Charlie Brown!

MickyDolenz said:

Robert Cray: I liked the Beatles because there was so much melody.

Pat Metheny: From 1962 to 1965, the guitar became this icon of youth culture, thanks mostly to the Beatles.

Bobby Hebb: John and George were very quiet, but Ringo and Paul were more active and easier to get to know. It was just something to be with those cats.

Yoko Ono: What the Beatles did was something incredible, it was more than what a band could do. We have to give them respect.

Billy Joel: The Beatles were the band that made me realize it was possible to make a living as a musician, … When I heard the Beatles, I said, ‘That’s what I want to do!

Barry Gibb (Bee Gees): We were very influenced by The Beatles, no question.

Buck Owens: And I said, 'Why not? It's the truth! Why can't I say I'm a Beatles fan?' I used to get criticized for that.

Brian May (Queen): I don't think anybody comes close to The Beatles, including Oasis.

Gene Simmons (KISS): There is no way I’d be doing what I do now if it wasn’t for The Beatles. I was watching the Ed Sullivan show and I saw them. Those skinny little boys, kind of androgynous, with long hair like girls. It blew me away that these four boys in the middle of nowhere could make that music. I read up on The Beatles, who they were, where they were from. I learnt about Liverpool, Rory Storm and the Hurricanes, Ringo’s band, and The Quarrymen and all that. I read up everything they did in the news. I followed their failures and their successes.

Eric Carr (KISS): When I was a kid, I went through a lot of musical phases, and one was when I'd learn everything that The Beatles ever recorded. After I started drums, I fell in love with their music so much that I just wanted to learn everything.

André 3000 (OutKast): They didn’t have one style. You can hear their growth from when they were covering American rock & roll songs to writing their own songs, and then going off on their own trippy creations. I can identify with that.

Miles Zuniga (Fastball): Then my mother gave me a copy of "Let it Be" by the Beatles. It was all over after that. I bought every Beatles album and every album by anyone who hung out with the Beatles- The Stones, The Kinks, The Who, etc. I went through the British Invasion about 20 years too late.

Dave Grohl: If it weren't for The Beatles, I wouldn't be a musician.

Joe Perry (Aerosmith): The night The Beatles first played the Ed Sullivan Show, boy, that was something. Seeing them on TV was akin to a national holiday. Talk about an event. I never saw guys looking so cool. I had already heard some of their songs on the radio, but I wasn't prepared by how powerful and totally mesmerizing they were to watch. It changed me completely. I knew something was different in the world that night.
... I went to see A Hard Day's Night. I wasn't into sports, I wasn't a great student, I didn't go out for school activities or anything - I was just kind of into my own little world. But seeing The Beatles on screen, running around and laughing, plus seeing them play all these incredible songs, I started to think, 'Hey, I wouldn't mind doing that.' It was like The Beatles were their own gang, and that seemed so cool to me.
The Beatles taught us all so much. They taught us to be brave, to follow our dreams and aim high. That's a wonderful legacy to leave.

Sting: They are among my strongest influences. The Beatles created records with songs, not albums of one single style. A lot has been argued in favour of making single style records, but that's not what I am interested in. I like different moods, different colours, different instruments and different influences.

Andy Partridge (XTC): You know, I was such a big Beatles fan, and when I'd buy a new album I'd invariably hate it the first time I heard it 'cause it was a mixture of absolute joy and absolute frustration. I couldn't grasp what they'd done, and I'd hate myself for that.

Stevie Wonder: I just dug more the effects they got, like echoes and the voice things, the writing, like For the Benefit of Mr. Kite. I just said, "Why can't I?" I wanted to do something else, go other places. Same thing about keys. I don't want to stay in one key all the time.

Bob Dylan: We were driving through Colorado, we had the radio on, and eight of the Top 10 songs were Beatles songs...'I Wanna Hold Your Hand,' all those early ones. They were doing things nobody was doing. Their chords were outrageous, just outrageous, and their harmonies made it all valid... I knew they were pointing the direction of where music had to go.

Esai Morales (actor): I like the Beatles. They're at the core of my musicality. And John Lennon's my spiritual father.

Q-Tip: They would lay the music down, manipulate it, f – with it, try to push it, which is the hip-hop aesthetic.

Simon Le Bon (Duran Duran): We're a musical group. The Beatles were a whole cultural change. I think it had more to do with history than with pop music, and it had to happen to the world.

Mick Taylor (Rolling Stones): I do remember actually learning chords to Beatles songs. I thought they were great songwriters.

T-Bone Burnett: Almost everything The Beatles did was great, and it's hard to improve on. They were our Bach. The way to get around it may be to keep it as simple as possible.

Jimmy Page (Led Zeppelin): If it hadn't been for The Beatles, there wouldn't be anyone like us around.

C'mon...you know this list is useless- because there are no quotes from Kanye West, DMX, Ginuine, or the ghost of Lisa "Left Eye" Lopes

Graycap23 said:

jjhunsecker said:

Do you listen to rock music ? Or anything besides R&B or Hip Hop ? I'm not trying to be insulting or anything- I'm seriously asking this question because I'm curious.

I actually listen to any kind of music that moves me. The Beatles don't.

This doesn't really answer my question or tell me anything....but thanks anyway

free2bfreeda said:

jjhunsecker said:

Actually, the Beatles (along with the Rolling Stones and Eric Clapton and Led Zeppelin and numerous British acts) went out of their way to praise the (mainly) Black American artists who came before and influenced them. And in fact, many Black acts who were losing popularity with Black audiences, such as BB King and Muddy Waters and Albert King, gained a whole NEW audience based on the word of mouth from the English stars

u are right on point.

please read.

: http://jasobrecht.com/tra...-and-rock/

excerpts:

By 1960, many aspiring British musicians were avidly seeking American blues and rock and roll records.

the so called british invasion musicians had helped bring long-overdue fame to their heroes John Lee Hooker, Willie Dixon, Jimmy Reed, and Muddy Waters, all of whom saw dramatic increases in their bookings. To a man, these bluesmen were grateful to those long-haired British musicians who helped bring their music center stage in the land of its creation.

And I would add that many of the originators of Rock N Roll- such as Chuck Berry, Little Richard, Bo Diddley, Carl Perkins, Jerry Lee Lewis- even Elvis himself, who's careers were going into decline by the early 1960s, had a renewal based on the praise heaped on them by The Beatles and The Stones and other Rock acts who came after them

Graycap23 said:

luvsexy4all said:

u've lost it man...

James Brown and the music I love was jamming before anyone ever heard of the Beatles.

That is a simple FACT.

How did this thread devolve into being about what music you like?
I hated the Beatles as a kid, grew up on F-U-N-K asn jazz. But I sure wouldnt be stupid enough to say they didn't influence the history of music.
I finally got into them in college where I really sat and listened to the scope of their stuff. They still are not in top rotation for me but I totally get the difference their later sound made cause I still hear it today.

SeventeenDayze said:

It's interesting that some of you are putting in a lot of energy talking about cover songs. There are many artists who have their songs covered. I mean, if you wait long enough, you'll see that eventually any artist at any time will be covered by another artist. If nothing else, the "beats" will be sampled heavily. I mean the song "Blurred Lines" was clearly a copy of that Marvin Gaye song. But, how many of those people who listened to that song who are under a certain age even know who Marvin Gaye was? It's also interesting that many of you skipped right over my post about what happened to me in elementary school when I asked about black art and the revisionist historical accounts that are forced upon kids such as myself in school. I think some of you think posting a few dozen videos of Youtube clips is "proving a point" but what I am specifically talking about is what effect does this band have on today's music. I'm not talking about whether or not people cover their songs or take ONE photo in similar clothing as the Beatles. What I am talking about is the continued impact of their music on society and culture. I can't understand how so many of you don't have this same fervor when it comes to discussing the impact on music by some of the artists mentioned earlier in this thread WHO WERE COPIED by the Beatles...

Again, it depends on what KIND of music that you are talking about, or even mainly listen to. There are many artists today indebted to the Beatles, but they may not be on your radar. The Beatles may have not have had a huge impact on Hip-hop or modern R&B- and neither did Bob Dylan, Jimi Hendrix, Johnny Cash, Ella Fitzgerald, Louis Armstrong, or Charles Mingus....it doesn't mean that those artists weren't great, and YES, influential ....

jjhunsecker said:

SeventeenDayze said:

It's interesting that some of you are putting in a lot of energy talking about cover songs. There are many artists who have their songs covered. I mean, if you wait long enough, you'll see that eventually any artist at any time will be covered by another artist. If nothing else, the "beats" will be sampled heavily. I mean the song "Blurred Lines" was clearly a copy of that Marvin Gaye song. But, how many of those people who listened to that song who are under a certain age even know who Marvin Gaye was? It's also interesting that many of you skipped right over my post about what happened to me in elementary school when I asked about black art and the revisionist historical accounts that are forced upon kids such as myself in school. I think some of you think posting a few dozen videos of Youtube clips is "proving a point" but what I am specifically talking about is what effect does this band have on today's music. I'm not talking about whether or not people cover their songs or take ONE photo in similar clothing as the Beatles. What I am talking about is the continued impact of their music on society and culture. I can't understand how so many of you don't have this same fervor when it comes to discussing the impact on music by some of the artists mentioned earlier in this thread WHO WERE COPIED by the Beatles...

Again, it depends on what KIND of music that you are talking about, or even mainly listen to. There are many artists today indebted to the Beatles, but they may not be on your radar. The Beatles may have not have had a huge impact on Hip-hop or modern R&B- and neither did Bob Dylan, Jimi Hendrix, Johnny Cash, Ella Fitzgerald, Louis Armstrong, or Charles Mingus....it doesn't mean that those artists weren't great, and YES, influential ....

Ok

The Grey Album

is a mashup album by Danger Mouse, released in 2004. It mixes an a cappella version of rapper Jay-Z's The Black Album with samples from The Beatles' LP The Beatles, commonly known as "The White Album". The Grey Album gained notoriety when EMI attempted to halt its distribution despite approval of the project from Jay-Z and the two surviving Beatles, Paul McCartney and Ringo Starr.

On February 11, 2011, Paul McCartney whilst commenting on the influence of the Beatles and black music gave this assessment as part of a BBC documentary titled The Beatles and Black Music, produced by Vivienne Perry and Ele Beattie.

"It was really cool when hip-hop started, you would hear references in lyrics, you always felt honored. It's exactly what we did in the beginning – introducing black soul music to a mass white audience. It’s come full circle. It's, well, cool. When you hear a riff similar to your own, your first feeling is 'rip-off.' After you’ve got over it you think, 'Look at that, someone's noticed that riff.'"

McCartney said of EMI's reaction: “I didn’t mind when something like that happened with The Grey Album. But the record company minded. They put up a fuss. But it was like, 'Take it easy guys, it's a tribute.'"

a tribute via an influence, via the impact of the beatles music, via jay z, via hip hop.

jjhunsecker said:

Graycap23 said:

I actually listen to any kind of music that moves me. The Beatles don't.

This doesn't really answer my question or tell me anything....but thanks anyway

Prince is ROCK music.

Guns & Roses, The Family Stand, ...........does that answer your question?

Zannaloaf said:

Graycap23 said:

James Brown and the music I love was jamming before anyone ever heard of the Beatles.

That is a simple FACT.

How did this thread devolve into being about what music you like?
I hated the Beatles as a kid, grew up on F-U-N-K asn jazz. But I sure wouldnt be stupid enough to say they didn't influence the history of music.
I finally got into them in college where I really sat and listened to the scope of their stuff. They still are not in top rotation for me but I totally get the difference their later sound made cause I still hear it today.

Folks keep saying in general that the Beatles "influenced" every artist breathing.

I'm telling you..........that is over hyped.

James as an example was doing his thing before anyone very heard of the Beatles.

The folks that followed James (in Funk as an example)........was influenced by James and u can HEAR it in their music.

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Graycap23 said:

Folks keep saying in general that the Beatles "influenced" every artist breathing.

No one here has said that.

SeventeenDayze said:

It's interesting that some of you are putting in a lot of energy talking about cover songs. There are many artists who have their songs covered. I mean, if you wait long enough, you'll see that eventually any artist at any time will be covered by another artist. If nothing else, the "beats" will be sampled heavily. I mean the song "Blurred Lines" was clearly a copy of that Marvin Gaye song. But, how many of those people who listened to that song who are under a certain age even know who Marvin Gaye was? It's also interesting that many of you skipped right over my post about what happened to me in elementary school when I asked about black art and the revisionist historical accounts that are forced upon kids such as myself in school. I think some of you think posting a few dozen videos of Youtube clips is "proving a point" but what I am specifically talking about is what effect does this band have on today's music. I'm not talking about whether or not people cover their songs or take ONE photo in similar clothing as the Beatles. What I am talking about is the continued impact of their music on society and culture. I can't understand how so many of you don't have this same fervor when it comes to discussing the impact on music by some of the artists mentioned earlier in this thread WHO WERE COPIED by the Beatles...

To be honest... I love Little Richard and think he is one of the most incredible artists of all time. But I don't often listen to his records, or own that many of them. Beatles records meant more to me in my life. The fact that Richard came first doesn't change that.

*

And anyway I think you know that "the Beatles were great and influential" is something a lot of American music listeners take for granted as true. Any challenge to that is going to get a response.

*

Although, had you asked "Did Little Richard really impact music?" then I think you would have the same bunch of people saying "yeah of course he did."

Graycap23 said:

Zannaloaf said:

How did this thread devolve into being about what music you like?
I hated the Beatles as a kid, grew up on F-U-N-K asn jazz. But I sure wouldnt be stupid enough to say they didn't influence the history of music.
I finally got into them in college where I really sat and listened to the scope of their stuff. They still are not in top rotation for me but I totally get the difference their later sound made cause I still hear it today.

Folks keep saying in general that the Beatles "influenced" every artist breathing.

I'm telling you..........that is over hyped.

James as an example was doing his thing before anyone very heard of the Beatles.

The folks that followed James (in Funk as an example)........was influenced by James and u can HEAR it in their music.

[Edited 2/25/16 5:45am]

James Brown may have epitomised, embodied funk in pretty much everything he did but no great music occurs in a vacuum. Listen to 'potato head blues' by armstrong or 'cotton club stomp' by ellington, music which dates back to the 20s, and tell me that ain't funky! One could reasonably conclude funk originates out of jazz and then gradually merges into more rock and pop based forms.

fortuneandserendipity said:

Graycap23 said:

Folks keep saying in general that the Beatles "influenced" every artist breathing.

I'm telling you..........that is over hyped.

James as an example was doing his thing before anyone very heard of the Beatles.

The folks that followed James (in Funk as an example)........was influenced by James and u can HEAR it in their music.

[Edited 2/25/16 5:45am]

James Brown may have epitomised, embodied funk in pretty much everything he did but no great music occurs in a vacuum. Listen to 'potato head blues' by armstrong or 'cotton club stomp' by ellington, music which dates back to the 20s, and tell me that ain't funky! One could reasonably conclude funk originates out of jazz and then gradually merges into more rock and pop based forms.

One can say that about all forms of music. It's the nature of music.

Graycap23 said:

Zannaloaf said:

How did this thread devolve into being about what music you like?
I hated the Beatles as a kid, grew up on F-U-N-K asn jazz. But I sure wouldnt be stupid enough to say they didn't influence the history of music.
I finally got into them in college where I really sat and listened to the scope of their stuff. They still are not in top rotation for me but I totally get the difference their later sound made cause I still hear it today.

Folks keep saying in general that the Beatles "influenced" every artist breathing.

I'm telling you..........that is over hyped.

James as an example was doing his thing before anyone very heard of the Beatles.

The folks that followed James (in Funk as an example)........was influenced by James and u can HEAR it in their music.

[Edited 2/25/16 5:45am]

Certainly no one is saying the Beatles influenced every living artist including the ones that were around before them!

As for these artists and producers of today, I don't know if Skrillex listens to the Beatles but Dangermouse obviously does.

bobzilla77 said:

SeventeenDayze said:

It's interesting that some of you are putting in a lot of energy talking about cover songs. There are many artists who have their songs covered. I mean, if you wait long enough, you'll see that eventually any artist at any time will be covered by another artist. If nothing else, the "beats" will be sampled heavily. I mean the song "Blurred Lines" was clearly a copy of that Marvin Gaye song. But, how many of those people who listened to that song who are under a certain age even know who Marvin Gaye was? It's also interesting that many of you skipped right over my post about what happened to me in elementary school when I asked about black art and the revisionist historical accounts that are forced upon kids such as myself in school. I think some of you think posting a few dozen videos of Youtube clips is "proving a point" but what I am specifically talking about is what effect does this band have on today's music. I'm not talking about whether or not people cover their songs or take ONE photo in similar clothing as the Beatles. What I am talking about is the continued impact of their music on society and culture. I can't understand how so many of you don't have this same fervor when it comes to discussing the impact on music by some of the artists mentioned earlier in this thread WHO WERE COPIED by the Beatles...

To be honest... I love Little Richard and think he is one of the most incredible artists of all time. But I don't often listen to his records, or own that many of them. Beatles records meant more to me in my life. The fact that Richard came first doesn't change that.

*

And anyway I think you know that "the Beatles were great and influential" is something a lot of American music listeners take for granted as true. Any challenge to that is going to get a response.

*

Although, had you asked "Did Little Richard really impact music?" then I think you would have the same bunch of people saying "yeah of course he did."

Well, that's interesting. I don't think it's "wrong" to be a fan of the Beatles instead of Little Richard. I guess what I was writing about in earlier posts is that I'm concerned about how the historical narrative about 20th century music will be painted. Given that American history, including music history, almost unilaterally excludes or diminishes the contributions of those who are not European or of European descent is what concerns me. This has happened throughout American history and I have witnessed it myself. I think that's the point that I was making in the beginning of this thread. Something else that I have seen and heard for myself is that Europeans are FAR more inclined to give credit to black artists moreso than Americans are.

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fortuneandserendipity said:

Graycap23 said:

Folks keep saying in general that the Beatles "influenced" every artist breathing.

I'm telling you..........that is over hyped.

James as an example was doing his thing before anyone very heard of the Beatles.

The folks that followed James (in Funk as an example)........was influenced by James and u can HEAR it in their music.

[Edited 2/25/16 5:45am]

James Brown may have epitomised, embodied funk in pretty much everything he did but no great music occurs in a vacuum. Listen to 'potato head blues' by armstrong or 'cotton club stomp' by ellington, music which dates back to the 20s, and tell me that ain't funky! One could reasonably conclude funk originates out of jazz and then gradually merges into more rock and pop based forms.

I think some of the most popular music that emerged in the United States in the 20th century can trace its origins to Sunday church services in black churches in the rural south. Gospel music, Negro spirituals etc. have contributed a lot to the American musical landscape.

Zannaloaf said:

Graycap23 said:

James Brown and the music I love was jamming before anyone ever heard of the Beatles.

That is a simple FACT.

How did this thread devolve into being about what music you like?
I hated the Beatles as a kid, grew up on F-U-N-K asn jazz. But I sure wouldnt be stupid enough to say they didn't influence the history of music.
I finally got into them in college where I really sat and listened to the scope of their stuff. They still are not in top rotation for me but I totally get the difference their later sound made cause I still hear it today.

right...the question has evolved to whatever people interpret it to be...

Graycap23 said:

jjhunsecker said:

This doesn't really answer my question or tell me anything....but thanks anyway

Prince is ROCK music.

Guns & Roses, The Family Stand, ...........does that answer your question?

I would say Prince is more of a funk/rock/R&B/jazz/pop fusion

Guns & Roses- were a great band in the early 90s (noticed they recorded a song by a former Beatle...hmmm...)

SeventeenDayze said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

James Brown may have epitomised, embodied funk in pretty much everything he did but no great music occurs in a vacuum. Listen to 'potato head blues' by armstrong or 'cotton club stomp' by ellington, music which dates back to the 20s, and tell me that ain't funky! One could reasonably conclude funk originates out of jazz and then gradually merges into more rock and pop based forms.

I think some of the most popular music that emerged in the United States in the 20th century can trace its origins to Sunday church services in black churches in the rural south. Gospel music, Negro spirituals etc. have contributed a lot to the American musical landscape.

You are absolutely right. That music has contributed to WORLD culture. And John Lennon , Paul Mccartney, George Harrison, Ringo Starr, along with Mick Jagger, Keith Richard, Jimmy Page, Eric Clapton, Eric Burdon, Van Morrison, Jeff Beck, Joe Cocker, Paul Rodgers, and too many others to mention would readily agree with you

jjhunsecker said:

SeventeenDayze said:

I think some of the most popular music that emerged in the United States in the 20th century can trace its origins to Sunday church services in black churches in the rural south. Gospel music, Negro spirituals etc. have contributed a lot to the American musical landscape.

You are absolutely right. That music has contributed to WORLD culture. And John Lennon , Paul Mccartney, George Harrison, Ringo Starr, along with Mick Jagger, Keith Richard, Jimmy Page, Eric Clapton, Eric Burdon, Van Morrison, Jeff Beck, Joe Cocker, Paul Rodgers, and too many others to mention would readily agree with you

Yes, it's most likely those artist you mentioned would agree but will music historians and critics give proper credit? Based on how things have been in this country for centuries, it's highly unlikely...

a small bit of triva

: https://lostandsound.word...-franklin/

Paul McCartney wrote “Let It Be” for Aretha Franklin. He offered the song to her with the right of first release. Aretha recorded it, but then she hold up the release. So she only released it after the Beatles had a smash hit with it (according to Jerry Wexler and David Ritz in the liner notes to the CD “Aretha Franklin – The Queen of Soul”, 2007).

I think this story makes sense. “Let It Be” has a strong spiritual undertone and I imagine that Paul McCartney thought it a fitting song for Aretha Franklin who originated from gospel music.

also noted: http://www.songfacts.com/...php?id=182

The Beatles weren't the first to release this song - Aretha Franklin was. The Queen of Soul recorded it in December 1969, and it was released on her album This Girl's In Love With You in January 1970, two months before The Beatles released their version (she also covered The Beatles "Eleanor Rigby" on that album).

Aretha recorded it with the Muscle Shoals Rhythm Section, who were a group of musicians that owned their own studio in Alabama, but would travel to New York to record with Aretha. David Hood, who was their bass player, told us that Paul McCartney sent demos of the song to Atlantic Records (Franklin's label) and to the Muscle Shoals musicians. Said Hood, "I kick myself for not grabbing that demo. Because I think they probably dropped it in the garbage. Our version was different. We changed it a little bit from his demo, where their version is different from that demo and from Aretha's version, as well. Just slightly, but little things."

SeventeenDayze said:

jjhunsecker said:

You are absolutely right. That music has contributed to WORLD culture. And John Lennon , Paul Mccartney, George Harrison, Ringo Starr, along with Mick Jagger, Keith Richard, Jimmy Page, Eric Clapton, Eric Burdon, Van Morrison, Jeff Beck, Joe Cocker, Paul Rodgers, and too many others to mention would readily agree with you

Yes, it's most likely those artist you mentioned would agree but will music historians and critics give proper credit? Based on how things have been in this country for centuries, it's highly unlikely...

I don't know what music histories you've been reading because all the ones I have read (and it's been a lot) always give praise and props to the Founding Fathers of rock. In fact, I learned about many of these artists from reading about them in books and magazines, and by hearing how they influenced many of the artists I love

SeventeenDayze said:

jjhunsecker said:

You are absolutely right. That music has contributed to WORLD culture. And John Lennon , Paul Mccartney, George Harrison, Ringo Starr, along with Mick Jagger, Keith Richard, Jimmy Page, Eric Clapton, Eric Burdon, Van Morrison, Jeff Beck, Joe Cocker, Paul Rodgers, and too many others to mention would readily agree with you

Yes, it's most likely those artist you mentioned would agree but will music historians and critics give proper credit? Based on how things have been in this country for centuries, it's highly unlikely...

I don't know what music histories you've been reading because all the ones I have read (and it's been a lot) always give praise and props to the Founding Fathers of rock. In fact, I learned about many of these artists from reading about them in books and magazines, and by hearing how they influenced many of the artists I love

jjhunsecker said:

SeventeenDayze said:

Yes, it's most likely those artist you mentioned would agree but will music historians and critics give proper credit? Based on how things have been in this country for centuries, it's highly unlikely...

I don't know what music histories you've been reading because all the ones I have read (and it's been a lot) always give praise and props to the Founding Fathers of rock. In fact, I learned about many of these artists from reading about them in books and magazines, and by hearing how they influenced many of the artists I love

If historians didn't "get it wrong" then why in the world is Elvis called the "King of Rock n' Roll"? Why are the accomplishments of non-European groups in the U.S. routinely dismissed or diminished in history classes in public schools across America?

SeventeenDayze said:

jjhunsecker said:

I don't know what music histories you've been reading because all the ones I have read (and it's been a lot) always give praise and props to the Founding Fathers of rock. In fact, I learned about many of these artists from reading about them in books and magazines, and by hearing how they influenced many of the artists I love

If historians didn't "get it wrong" then why in the world is Elvis called the "King of Rock n' Roll"? Why are the accomplishments of non-European groups in the U.S. routinely dismissed or diminished in history classes in public schools across America?

Have you actually ever listened to Elvis ? Not look at him a symbol, but simply listen to his music ? He was one of the greatest singers who ever lived. Many Black artists praised him for helping to open doors for them. And his music incorporated numerous styles and influences- blues, gospel, country, pop, even opera....And because he was raised in an area where all these different styles were heard, he had a natural feel for these styles .

Read some books by Peter Guralnick, Greil Marcus, Dave Marsh, and the late Robert Palmer. These are writers who give full credit to ALL the originators of the music

jjhunsecker said:

SeventeenDayze said:

If historians didn't "get it wrong" then why in the world is Elvis called the "King of Rock n' Roll"? Why are the accomplishments of non-European groups in the U.S. routinely dismissed or diminished in history classes in public schools across America?

Have you actually ever listened to Elvis ? Not look at him a symbol, but simply listen to his music ? He was one of the greatest singers who ever lived. Many Black artists praised him for helping to open doors for them. And his music incorporated numerous styles and influences- blues, gospel, country, pop, even opera....And because he was raised in an area where all these different styles were heard, he had a natural feel for these styles .

Read some books by Peter Guralnick, Greil Marcus, Dave Marsh, and the late Robert Palmer. These are writers who give full credit to ALL the originators of the music

Elvis basically ripped of Dean Martin and Little Richard. Of COURSE I have heard his music but I just don't get it. Man, so many of you guys are QUICK to say, "Well XYZ black artist said this and that about (insert artist here)" but you DON'T talk about the other things that MANY black artists have complained about over the years. Oh well. This is the Org. I shouldn't expect that discussion to happen in any thread really.

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thread topic >>>>>

x's the majority of org answers

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= Yes

so please consideer the following:

the replies in this thread pretty much have been answered to the yay side of yes in answer to the topic questions.

nothing personal

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Bizarre thread.