SeventeenDayze said:

jjhunsecker said:

You have a right to your opinion (and if you don't know what John Lennon once said about opinions...go Google it). If you don't like that type of music, that's your right as an American. But listening to you is like asking a hard core country fan to understand or discuss the importance of Louis Armstrong or Miles Davis (or a serious jazz head to see the greatness of Hank Williams or Patsy Cline).

Oh come on You're making it seem like Graycap is being one-dimensional here! LOL!

Did you see where I asked him what type of music he mainly listens to and likes ? I was serious. If you don't like a particular style or genre of music, maybe it's hard to see (or hear actually) it's quality, or understand its importance. For example- I don't really like Hip-hop, so somebody can go on and on about how great , say, Tupac or Biggie was, and it doesn't mean much to me

SeventeenDayze said:

jjhunsecker said:

Why can't James Brown be great AND the Beatles be great as well ? But if they are not your thing, that's fine...no sweat. I personally love 1950s Rock, Classic Rock, Classic R&B, Blues, pre-1980's Country, Funk, Show tunes, and funky jazz (like Jimmy Smith). I have little use for most Heavy Metal (especially post 1980s), post 1990 R&B, modern Country music, esoteric jazz, and probably about 95% of Hip Hop....We all have our own tastes

Okay, this thread is long BUT I assumed you read all of my posts. If not, go back and read ALL of my posts and then we'll talk again later. It seems that you missed the part where I said (in at least three posts) that I LIKE the Sgt. Pepper's album. You're also doing what Mickey is doing. Anytime I make a valid point you guys shift the goalpost and then bring up some other point that was not related to the original discussion at hand. Who said at any time it had to be "one or the other" that you liked? No one. Okay, good night. It's bed time

I read where you said you liked "Sgt Pepper". Actually, that might be my least favorite Beatles album (even though it is still great)

jjhunsecker said:

free2bfreeda said:

point is imo all the innuendos about how each of us feel about the topic at hand is irrelevant. we each have our own pov about the beatles. i cannot change how you feel about the impact this group had on music, and you cannot change mine.

if i got into the "criticize you about your pov" game, that was not my intention.

i feel you and no matter what, i do not wish to change your opinion of the beatles. hopefully you can understand it's about the respect for "freedom of opinion" on an individual level.

where i am from, where i was raised shaped my view of this world. which is the same for you and everyone participating in ths thread.

i respect your find on the topic as i would like for my find to be respected in turn.

the genius of little richard was the musial template for the beatles in the beginning. then they grabbed the baton from little richard and kept on running with the sound. then they reshaped the sound by adding their own home grown type of creativity to his sound as the moved on musically.

both john lennon and paul mccartney were phenominal lyricist. as a group the beatles created some great musical compositions.

the naysayers should just take a week and really listen to the beatles songs post the early sixties to discover what they added to the world of music. as i have posted, the beatles (john lennon especially) gave tribute to little richard for inspiring their sound as often as he could. imo if john lennon were still alive he'd still be shouting out the greatness of Mr. Richard Penniman, aka: Little Richard.

yes i appreciate the beatles in the world of music. little richard planted the seeds for them, and as time went on for the beatles they watered those (little richard ) seeds with their own style of creativity. it's called fusion.

fusion is what most music is about. every musician is infuenced by his/her predecessors. so my appreciation of the beatles is mine and mine alone.

what i see when i check out the history of music and i come upon the beatles i WILL always say they did in fact really impact music during their hey day in my honest opinion.

plus if you look back at some of my previous post you will see how the beatles helped open more racial harmony between the races. which in turn many other british and american white musicians did at the time.

~

All Together Now: Civil Rights and The Beatles' First American Tour

: http://mentalfloss.com/ar...rican-tour

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Actually, the Beatles (along with the Rolling Stones and Eric Clapton and Led Zeppelin and numerous British acts) went out of their way to praise the (mainly) Black American artists who came before and influenced them. And in fact, many Black acts who were losing popularity with Black audiences, such as BB King and Muddy Waters and Albert King, gained a whole NEW audience based on the word of mouth from the English stars

u are right on point.

please read.

: http://jasobrecht.com/tra...-and-rock/

excerpts:

By 1960, many aspiring British musicians were avidly seeking American blues and rock and roll records.

the so called british invasion musicians had helped bring long-overdue fame to their heroes John Lee Hooker, Willie Dixon, Jimmy Reed, and Muddy Waters, all of whom saw dramatic increases in their bookings. To a man, these bluesmen were grateful to those long-haired British musicians who helped bring their music center stage in the land of its creation.

Robert Cray: I liked the Beatles because there was so much melody.

Pat Metheny: From 1962 to 1965, the guitar became this icon of youth culture, thanks mostly to the Beatles.

Bobby Hebb: John and George were very quiet, but Ringo and Paul were more active and easier to get to know. It was just something to be with those cats.

Yoko Ono: What the Beatles did was something incredible, it was more than what a band could do. We have to give them respect.

Billy Joel: The Beatles were the band that made me realize it was possible to make a living as a musician, … When I heard the Beatles, I said, ‘That’s what I want to do!

Barry Gibb (Bee Gees): We were very influenced by The Beatles, no question.

Buck Owens: And I said, 'Why not? It's the truth! Why can't I say I'm a Beatles fan?' I used to get criticized for that.

Brian May (Queen): I don't think anybody comes close to The Beatles, including Oasis.

Gene Simmons (KISS): There is no way I’d be doing what I do now if it wasn’t for The Beatles. I was watching the Ed Sullivan show and I saw them. Those skinny little boys, kind of androgynous, with long hair like girls. It blew me away that these four boys in the middle of nowhere could make that music. I read up on The Beatles, who they were, where they were from. I learnt about Liverpool, Rory Storm and the Hurricanes, Ringo’s band, and The Quarrymen and all that. I read up everything they did in the news. I followed their failures and their successes.

Eric Carr (KISS): When I was a kid, I went through a lot of musical phases, and one was when I'd learn everything that The Beatles ever recorded. After I started drums, I fell in love with their music so much that I just wanted to learn everything.

André 3000 (OutKast): They didn’t have one style. You can hear their growth from when they were covering American rock & roll songs to writing their own songs, and then going off on their own trippy creations. I can identify with that.

Miles Zuniga (Fastball): Then my mother gave me a copy of "Let it Be" by the Beatles. It was all over after that. I bought every Beatles album and every album by anyone who hung out with the Beatles- The Stones, The Kinks, The Who, etc. I went through the British Invasion about 20 years too late.

Dave Grohl: If it weren't for The Beatles, I wouldn't be a musician.

Joe Perry (Aerosmith): The night The Beatles first played the Ed Sullivan Show, boy, that was something. Seeing them on TV was akin to a national holiday. Talk about an event. I never saw guys looking so cool. I had already heard some of their songs on the radio, but I wasn't prepared by how powerful and totally mesmerizing they were to watch. It changed me completely. I knew something was different in the world that night.
... I went to see A Hard Day's Night. I wasn't into sports, I wasn't a great student, I didn't go out for school activities or anything - I was just kind of into my own little world. But seeing The Beatles on screen, running around and laughing, plus seeing them play all these incredible songs, I started to think, 'Hey, I wouldn't mind doing that.' It was like The Beatles were their own gang, and that seemed so cool to me.
The Beatles taught us all so much. They taught us to be brave, to follow our dreams and aim high. That's a wonderful legacy to leave.

Sting: They are among my strongest influences. The Beatles created records with songs, not albums of one single style. A lot has been argued in favour of making single style records, but that's not what I am interested in. I like different moods, different colours, different instruments and different influences.

Andy Partridge (XTC): You know, I was such a big Beatles fan, and when I'd buy a new album I'd invariably hate it the first time I heard it 'cause it was a mixture of absolute joy and absolute frustration. I couldn't grasp what they'd done, and I'd hate myself for that.

Stevie Wonder: I just dug more the effects they got, like echoes and the voice things, the writing, like For the Benefit of Mr. Kite. I just said, "Why can't I?" I wanted to do something else, go other places. Same thing about keys. I don't want to stay in one key all the time.

Bob Dylan: We were driving through Colorado, we had the radio on, and eight of the Top 10 songs were Beatles songs...'I Wanna Hold Your Hand,' all those early ones. They were doing things nobody was doing. Their chords were outrageous, just outrageous, and their harmonies made it all valid... I knew they were pointing the direction of where music had to go.

Esai Morales (actor): I like the Beatles. They're at the core of my musicality. And John Lennon's my spiritual father.

Q-Tip: They would lay the music down, manipulate it, f – with it, try to push it, which is the hip-hop aesthetic.

Simon Le Bon (Duran Duran): We're a musical group. The Beatles were a whole cultural change. I think it had more to do with history than with pop music, and it had to happen to the world.

Mick Taylor (Rolling Stones): I do remember actually learning chords to Beatles songs. I thought they were great songwriters.

T-Bone Burnett: Almost everything The Beatles did was great, and it's hard to improve on. They were our Bach. The way to get around it may be to keep it as simple as possible.

Jimmy Page (Led Zeppelin): If it hadn't been for The Beatles, there wouldn't be anyone like us around.

jjhunsecker said:

Graycap23 said:

I agree with this part.

Do you listen to rock music ? Or anything besides R&B or Hip Hop ? I'm not trying to be insulting or anything- I'm seriously asking this question because I'm curious.

I actually listen to any kind of music that moves me. The Beatles don't.

MickyDolenz said:

SeventeenDayze said:

Oh come on You're making it seem like Graycap is being one-dimensional here! LOL!

He is. He's been saying the same things about The Beatles & Madonna before this thread was created

.........because they are both overrated and given credit for things I simply don't agree with.

chaka khan

We Can Work It Out”

Her cover of the Beatles’ classic was included on her 1981 album “What Cha’ Gonna Do for Me.”

“I just loved the Beatles. I was in love with them and I thought we could do our spin on it.”

: http://www.stltoday.com/e...b522a.html

Outstanding!

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BERRY GORDY AND DAUGHTER WITH THE FAB 4

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Tony! Toni! Toné!

Micky, all this evidence you're presenting doesn't mean the Beatles impacted music in any way shape or form.

In fact I heard the Beatles didn't really land on the moon either...

nd33 said:

Micky, all this evidence you're presenting doesn't mean the Beatles impacted music in any way shape or form.

In fact I heard the Beatles didn't really land on the moon either...

this is getting to be fun!!!!!

Top 10 Most Covered Artists

: https://blog.whosampled.c...d-artists/

excerpt:

1. The Beatles (2710 Covers)

As the most iconic rock band of their generation (and maybe ever), it’s no surprise that The Beatles come in at #1 on our list. Multiple other most-covered artists on the list have re-interpreted The Beatles at some point, The Rolling Stones covered ‘I Wanna Be Your Man‘, Michael Jackson’s version of ‘Come Together‘ successfully replicates the original’s distinctive beat and rhythm on a drum machine and Stevie Wonder provided a characteristically soulful take on ‘We Can Work It Out‘. The iconic songwriting has frequently been reinterpreted by funk, soul and jazz artists, in turn providing sample material utilized in hip hop and beyond – that iconic bassline from Gang Starr‘s ‘Dwyck‘ for example was lifted from a cover version of Hey Jude! ‘Yesterday‘ has been covered a staggering 145 times, making it the most covered track on the site.

impact definition: influence <-------

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It's interesting that some of you are putting in a lot of energy talking about cover songs. There are many artists who have their songs covered. I mean, if you wait long enough, you'll see that eventually any artist at any time will be covered by another artist. If nothing else, the "beats" will be sampled heavily. I mean the song "Blurred Lines" was clearly a copy of that Marvin Gaye song. But, how many of those people who listened to that song who are under a certain age even know who Marvin Gaye was? It's also interesting that many of you skipped right over my post about what happened to me in elementary school when I asked about black art and the revisionist historical accounts that are forced upon kids such as myself in school. I think some of you think posting a few dozen videos of Youtube clips is "proving a point" but what I am specifically talking about is what effect does this band have on today's music. I'm not talking about whether or not people cover their songs or take ONE photo in similar clothing as the Beatles. What I am talking about is the continued impact of their music on society and culture. I can't understand how so many of you don't have this same fervor when it comes to discussing the impact on music by some of the artists mentioned earlier in this thread WHO WERE COPIED by the Beatles...

free2bfreeda said:

nd33 said:

Micky, all this evidence you're presenting doesn't mean the Beatles impacted music in any way shape or form.

In fact I heard the Beatles didn't really land on the moon either...

this is getting to be fun!!!!!

Top 10 Most Covered Artists

: https://blog.whosampled.c...d-artists/

excerpt:

1. The Beatles (2710 Covers)

As the most iconic rock band of their generation (and maybe ever), it’s no surprise that The Beatles come in at #1 on our list. Multiple other most-covered artists on the list have re-interpreted The Beatles at some point, The Rolling Stones covered ‘I Wanna Be Your Man‘, Michael Jackson’s version of ‘Come Together‘ successfully replicates the original’s distinctive beat and rhythm on a drum machine and Stevie Wonder provided a characteristically soulful take on ‘We Can Work It Out‘. The iconic songwriting has frequently been reinterpreted by funk, soul and jazz artists, in turn providing sample material utilized in hip hop and beyond – that iconic bassline from Gang Starr‘s ‘Dwyck‘ for example was lifted from a cover version of Hey Jude! ‘Yesterday‘ has been covered a staggering 145 times, making it the most covered track on the site.

impact definition: influence <-------

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Your sarcasm detector is definitely active, right?!

SeventeenDayze said:

It's interesting that some of you are putting in a lot of energy talking about cover songs.

You must not know The Beatles songs, because I didn't post any covers. I posted songs that have a Beatles sound.

MickyDolenz said:

SeventeenDayze said:

It's interesting that some of you are putting in a lot of energy talking about cover songs.

You must not know The Beatles songs, because I didn't post any covers. I posted songs that have a Beatles sound.

When did I say it was YOU that I was talking about? But, you're so busy cherry picking one sentence out of entire paragraphs that you're not paying attention...

at this point here's a paraphrased quote:

I know you think you understand what you thought U said but I'm not sure you realize that what you said is not what U mean.

once again

define the word "impact"! The Beatles certainly employed a lot of tech and toured massively to enforce their sound but its nothing that wouldn't have happened only in the last 60 years or so. In the same way climate change denial is tantamount to the Taliban (music denial) all the Beatles did was arrange notes in enough order to demand an audience at the time.

HEY KANYE

mrsquirrel said:

define the word "impact"! The Beatles certainly employed a lot of tech and toured massively to enforce their sound but its nothing that wouldn't have happened only in the last 60 years or so. In the same way climate change denial is tantamount to the Taliban (music denial) all the Beatles did was arrange notes in enough order to demand an audience at the time.

HEY KANYE

Okay, let's not bring up Kanye again in this thread Anyway, yes, I defined "impact" a few times throughout the thread and again earlier on this page.

SeventeenDayze said:

When did I say it was YOU that I was talking about? But, you're so busy cherry picking one sentence out of entire paragraphs that you're not paying attention...

There's only 2 people posting videos and I'm one of them. The words "some of you" is not singular and that's what you said. If you said "one of you", than that's different.

MickyDolenz said:

SeventeenDayze said:

When did I say it was YOU that I was talking about? But, you're so busy cherry picking one sentence out of entire paragraphs that you're not paying attention...

There's only 2 people posting videos and I'm one of them. The words "some of you" is not singular and that's what you said. If you said "one of you", than that's different.

Do you enjoy cherrypicking in your free time??