Im probably in a minority in guessing that her musical best is still to come. The woman has serious talent, if she can just keep her head on straight and take her time putting together a good next album she'll be fine.

I'm actually looking forward to seeing what will come of the new album sense she said it may have "dark" elements inspired by AHS. That could mean either some really brilliant or something disasterous. But given that I'm a Prince fan I actually love disasterous albums... so time will tell.

Glindathegood said:

MotownSubdivision said:

I agree with the rest. Gaga needs to switch her style up and she seems to be doing that if Cheek to Cheek is any indication. It doesn't take long for EDM to get old.

What I meant was change within the genre of pop music. Cheek to Cheek is jazz from an early time period, which is not going to interest some people. Contemporary pop music isn't just EDM. You can do other things but still keep it pop oriented.

Just another in a long line of artists who BORED me 2 tears.

Glindathegood said:

MotownSubdivision said:

Glindathegood said:

Maybe from a purely technical point of view, but Madonna conveys more emotion and is more pleasant to listen to. She sings in a more subtle way, rather than all of the screaming Gaga does.

I feel Gaga needs to realize that pop is a diverse category of music. She tends on her pop albums to limit herself to just thumpy EDM type of songs and it gets boring and repetitive. Pop music can encompass mid tempo, ballads, acoustic, R&B jams all types of things.

Madonna, for example, has a much more diverse catalogue than Gaga has.

Gaga seems to know either one extreme or the other: thumpy EDM songs or jazz standards. There is a lot in between.

That's why I used the term "vocalist". A great vocalist sings from a technical POV while a great singer sings from an emotional POV. Besides Madonna and Gaga, there's also Janet and Beyonce. People trash Janet all the time on here for being a "horrible" singer but while not horrible, the more appropriate term would be "vocalist". Beyonce can sing circles around Janet technically speaking but her technical prowess has no substance and more often than not is just her howling and screaming for howling and screaming's sake. Janet is the better singer because while her vocal talents are limited she works well within her limits and has a strong conveyance of emotion when she sings. Her and Madonna can be compared in that regard (though Janet is a reasonably better vocalist).

It actually comes down to the tone/sound.

someone can have a billion octaves, its no good if you dont enjoy the tone/sound.

It's more important than range, Beyonce fans actually enjoy her tone more than her range, if they know it or not.

Range or ability to sing different styles enables the singer to present that tone/sound in different ways. again, if you don't like thier voice from the start then it will be no good to you.

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An artist like Lady Gaga always falls into that 15 minutes of fame realm. She out weirded everyone to the point she could do no more and people moved on after the novelty factor (ie the 15 minutes of fame) faded. Saying this, when she plays the piano and sings she is a talented artist and I think the stuff she did with Tony Bennett is her forte really, big band jazzy stuff. Without the gimmicks, wackiness & weirdness, just the music and I think if Gaga turned up at an awards ceremony or did a performance with a classic Jazz diva look and sung a standard she'd probably win over a new group of fans. But if she goes back to the Pop/Dance realm I think the fickle nature of the pop music world will make her another in a long line of disposable pop-acts. So yea, go big band Jazz route and I think that's something that can give huge longetivity to a career. I mean someone like Michael Buble can do his thing til he's like at a same age as the Frank Sinatra's, Dean Martin's, Tony Bennett's et al because it's the music he sings that's timeless. Pop music by its very definition is popular for a certain amount of time only. Only a small percentage of what we know as 'Pop' songs stand the test of time and I don't know whether 50 years from now, Just Dance will be even thought of in the same sentence of classic pop songs like by those by The Beatles among others.

It is almost impossible to maintain that level of popularity. But she will likely have career longevity since she has some chops and songwriting ability. This sorta reminds me of the old 1985 Madonna vs. Cyndi Lauper debate. Well, they're both still here working in their own way.

thetimefan said:

An artist like Lady Gaga always falls into that 15 minutes of fame realm. She out weirded everyone to the point she could do no more and people moved on after the novelty factor (ie the 15 minutes of fame) faded. Saying this, when she plays the piano and sings she is a talented artist and I think the stuff she did with Tony Bennett is her forte really, big band jazzy stuff. Without the gimmicks, wackiness & weirdness, just the music and I think if Gaga turned up at an awards ceremony or did a performance with a classic Jazz diva look and sung a standard she'd probably win over a new group of fans. But if she goes back to the Pop/Dance realm I think the fickle nature of the pop music world will make her another in a long line of disposable pop-acts. So yea, go big band Jazz route and I think that's something that can give huge longetivity to a career. I mean someone like Michael Buble can do his thing til he's like at a same age as the Frank Sinatra's, Dean Martin's, Tony Bennett's et al because it's the music he sings that's timeless. Pop music by its very definition is popular for a certain amount of time only. Only a small percentage of what we know as 'Pop' songs stand the test of time and I don't know whether 50 years from now, Just Dance will be even thought of in the same sentence of classic pop songs like by those by The Beatles among others.

I don't agree. Most of her fan base became fans liking the pop dance sound. They don't particularly care for jazz. Artists that change radically from one genre to another often lose their audience.

Big band/jazz music appeals to an older audience. Most of her bigger fans are younger and aren't going to get into the jazz thing long term. There are many pop/dance, R&B, and rock songs that are considered classics, not just jazz. What about Purple Rain or When Doves Cry since this is a Prince forum. He's not big band jazz!

I've never been impressed by her piano playing. She's not a virtuoso who's been trained at a music school from a young age like Tori Amos.

As far as her voice, I think her tone is good. She sounded much better at the beginning of her career when she sang, rather than screamed. She became concerned with proving she could sing instead of being herself. Thus she started doing this awful oversinging and screaming.

I'd love to hear an album with a full-on rock band.

MendesCity said:

I'd love to hear an album with a full-on rock band.

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She looks good naked.

2freaky4church1 said:

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MotownSubdivision said:

luv2tha99s said:

MattyJam said:

She's one of the better popstars of our times.

I wouldn't personally buy her music, but I rate her over the like of Beyonce, Rhianna etc.

I agree.

I actually couldn't stand Lady Gaga in the past and thought she was overrated like Beyonce and Rihanna BUT after she hooked up with Bennet and then put the gimmick outfits and antics to the side I can now see that this woman is REALLY talented. I was very impressed with all her performances this year and can honestly say I actually like her and think she is quite talented.. I hope that she reinvents her image into a more serious artist and let her talent speak for itself. She is moving in the right direction

MotownSubdivision said:

luv2tha99s said:

I'm sorry but Janet has a better voice than B? Wow. I know art is supposed to be objective, but this is so wrong. There was some doc that had B singing in a pyramid or something like that and the emotions coming out of her were astounding. I have never heard anything come out of Janet's mouth that could ever touch that moment or any other when B sings. By the way, I am a big fan of J, have most of albums and even performed a lip synch in HS to her. I do not own any B albums. Just say.

I never said Janet had a better voice than Beyonce, I said she's a better singer (which isn't the same as having a good voice) which I explained in my post. I did say Janet is a better vocalist than Madonna, however. [Edited 10/2/15 17:57pm]

I agree with all of this. Vocalist and singing are two different things.

MotownSubdivision said:

Glindathegood said:

Maybe from a purely technical point of view, but Madonna conveys more emotion and is more pleasant to listen to. She sings in a more subtle way, rather than all of the screaming Gaga does.

I feel Gaga needs to realize that pop is a diverse category of music. She tends on her pop albums to limit herself to just thumpy EDM type of songs and it gets boring and repetitive. Pop music can encompass mid tempo, ballads, acoustic, R&B jams all types of things.

Madonna, for example, has a much more diverse catalogue than Gaga has.

Gaga seems to know either one extreme or the other: thumpy EDM songs or jazz standards. There is a lot in between.

That's why I used the term "vocalist". A great vocalist sings from a technical POV while a great singer sings from an emotional POV. Besides Madonna and Gaga, there's also Janet and Beyonce. People trash Janet all the time on here for being a "horrible" singer but while not horrible, the more appropriate term would be "vocalist". Beyonce can sing circles around Janet technically speaking but her technical prowess has no substance and more often than not is just her howling and screaming for howling and screaming's sake. Janet is the better singer because while her vocal talents are limited she works well within her limits and has a strong conveyance of emotion when she sings. Her and Madonna can be compared in that regard (though Janet is a reasonably better vocalist). I agree with the rest. Gaga needs to switch her style up and she seems to be doing that if Cheek to Cheek is any indication. It doesn't take long for EDM to get old.

The whole point of singing is basically telling a story with the voice. If you are not able to move or emotionally connect with people when you sing then you are not a good singer imo because that is the whole point of singing.

Prime example, Whitney Houston. Yes Whitney was a strong vocalist BUT she also was able to really move and connect with people when she sung

If your just a powerhouse vocalist that can not convey emotion or some level of vunerablity when you sing than your not a good singer because that is not what singing is about. Singing is not about showing off your range and screaming. Its about connecting with people and telling a story through a song with your voice.

CynicKill said:

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I like it

paisleypark4 said:

CynicKill said:

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I like it

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Strongly biased in favor of the original.

I love her cover of CHIC's I WANT YOUR LOVE which was NILE RODGERS APPROVED!!! SIGN ME UP... LOVED JODY WATLEYS VERSION TOO

terrig said:

MrsFelicityCrumble said:

...was she anything special? Like, say, a Prince or a Madonna? Or was it a load of average pop tunes dressed up in new clothes?

I know she's still going of course, but it's unlikely she'll scale the heights like she did a few years ago. Hats off to her if she does!

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Gaga is like cher & elton john more than madonna imo. I find her to be more of a performance artist with a great voice. In that vein, I think thats what makes her great. Its too soon to judge yet, but there's still alot left for her to do - I love her though ....dumb, shes not.

Cher is the right comparison...and I believe she will be one of the greats - like Cher.

SanMartin said:

She wanted to be Bowie I think. But who doesn't?

And that being the case, she could possibly come back again. She just needs to reinvent herself into something that works in its time and place. If she sticks to it, she could have another wave.

luvsexy4all said: