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Reply #1 posted 05/06/15 10:50pm

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does anybody here remember back in 2008,MJ was suppose to perform at the 2008 grammys but didn't appear because they couldn't meet his demands ? I think he demanded his name to be mentioned 50 times before he appeared and wanted a award made especially just for him ? I think mj was suppose to perform too
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A Q&A with Todd Gray, Author of Michael Jackson: Before He Was King

Q: How did you first meet Michael Jackson?
A: I first met Michael in 1974, when I was sent on an assignment to photograph Stevie Wonder at the Record Plant studio in Hollywood. Stevie was recording the single “You Haven't Done Nothin',” which featured backing vocals by the Jackson 5, so Michael and his brothers were there. I had been photographing rock groups since 1971, while I was still in high school, and kept on to help pay for college and later, art school. When I got to the studio that evening I walked into the engineering booth and saw a young man with a huge Afro. He was wearing ill-fitting slacks and hovering around the mixing board, watching Stevie's hands intensely as Stevie was adjusting the sound of the playback. I realized he was Michael Jackson. I had no idea that the pictures I took of him then would be the beginning of a decade-long journey.

A few years later, in 1979, I was hired to shoot the Jacksons for their back-to-back appearances on American Bandstand and Soul Train. I’d photographed the Jacksons a few times since 1974 for various magazines, but never really spoken to them (publicity photographers are kind of low on the totem pole). This assignment would change that. On the Bandstand shoot, all the brothers were backstage along with record company people, family, friends. Each new person who entered greeted Jackie, Marlon, Randy, and Tito, but it was clear that Michael was the one who had the juice in the room, and everybody was jockeying for position to get his attention, catch his eye. I thought it best to stay away from all the action swirling around Michael, so I just drifted over to another part of the room. It didn’t take long for Marlon to find me and start peppering me with questions, probably because I was the newest face in the crowd and we were close in age, but maybe also because I was one of very few black photographers on the rock scene. Soon Tito and Jackie wandered over, and in no time I felt relaxed and at ease, as if hanging out with my own friends.
.
The next day we were on the set of Soul Train in Hollywood. The same cast of characters was there--marketing, promotion, and publicity people from Epic Records--and they were all buzzing around Michael. When I came into the dressing room Tito and Marlon greeted me warmly. Jackie and Randy joined us, and I quickly became the focus of their teasing and inside jokes. We laughed a lot, talked about sports, cars, and movies--guy stuff. I didn't make any effort to get Michael's attention or even look his way. I was having too good a time joking with his brothers, and all of the adults around Michael seemed boring in comparison.
.
Two weeks later I was shooting Michael backstage at L.A.'s Forum, where he was receiving his platinum records for Off the Wall. Once again there was a huge entourage of industry people, family, and friends around. When I saw Michael he walked over to me and asked in a quiet whisper, "How come you never speak to me? You joke with my brothers, but not with me. Don't you like me?" I didn’t know what to say. He took me completely off guard with his voice and his question. "No, you’re fine," I said, "You always look so busy, and I've had nothing to say. Michael, I like you." "Okay," he said, and walked away.
.
The following January I got a call that Michael had personally asked me to come and photograph him while he was taping a TV special with Danny Kaye at Disneyland. Whenever the director would release him from the set to prepare the next shot Michael would grab my arm and say "Come on, let’s hit some rides," and we'd run off ushered by Disney security through secret passageways, making certain we never waited in line. Michael, who was t21 at the time, loved Disneyland, and while sitting next to him on the rides I joined right in with his screams and laughter. We really had fun.
.
Not long after this job, I got another call from his manager saying that Michael had told him to hire only me when he needed a photographer. His manager asked, "What’s up with you and Michael?" "We just get along, I guess," I said. I asked the manager why Michael chose me and he said Michael told him, "I like Todd because he doesn’t talk much."
.
Q: What are a few of your observations about Michael's life that people outside of his world have never seen?
A: Well, he was very observant, and had amazing focus. And when he was performing it might look effortless for him when he was doing it, but that only happened because he had a dedication and perfectionism focused on his performance, whether that was on stage or in the mixing booth with the engineers. He’d be nervous and tense before going onstage, but that would all get channeled into his performance. Sometimes he didn’t sleep well in hotels on the road, and he had a special recording machine that switched on in the middle of the night and played stories. It had three clocks--you can see it on the nightstand in the second photo in the book.
/
Q: Did Michael’s work ethic influence you in your work?
A: MJ would not stand for mediocrity. I only realized that I had adopted his work ethic a few years after I stopped working for him. Whenever I was tired and my heart was not into my work, I'd find myself thinking about how MJ pushed himself to maintain a high level of quality, and this made me not settle for "good enough" in my photo work. I always strove to achieve the best I was capable of producing, regardless of the circumstance or size of the job. I passed this onto my students over the years as motivation to achieve greater heights than they thought themselves capable. "Shoot for the stars, and if you don't make it, at least you'll land on the moon."
.
Q: What was it like travelling with Michael and the Jacksons?
A: Traveling with MJ and the J5 was akin to being in a bubble. Security blanketed us while on the road. Michael was so engrossed in the development of his career that he had a disproportionate world view. I (and others) had to watch our language: no swear words, sexual references, dirty jokes. He maintained an ultra moral, verbal-antiseptic space around himself, and perhaps saw the world through the atmosphere of this space. He chose to focus on pleasant things. As a result he may not have been able to make clear distinctions between the space that constituted his reality and the one we refer to as the "world."
.
Q: You started out shooting the Jacksons, and then became Michael's chosen photographer. What was his relationship like with his brothers?
A: Marlon was great fun. Sometimes too much fun. He was a joker and prankster. Jackie was cool, more on the quiet side. They made me feel at ease. No subject was out of bounds with them. I could be unguarded, knowing that I wouldn’t offend them if a swear word or bawdy joke slipped out. I could share a beer with Jackie. Oops... I thought you wanted to know my relationship with them! Michael and his brothers got on very well. They shared a level of intimacy that anyone outside of the family was not privy to, except for lifelong body guard Bill Bray. Michael seemed to reach out to Randy and Marlon the most, though. Katherine was treated in the highest regard. Joe was a quiet, forceful presence. He was hanging out with LaToya when she’d join us on the road, and later at home.
.
Q: Which photograph in the book is your favorite? Which do you feel is the most honest representation of the Michael you knew?
A: My personal favorite is the first white T-shirt shot in the book (page 27). That's my favorite session because MJ and I talked about it quite a bit beforehand and we were undisturbed. We wanted to express a level of his depth in the portraits. It took a month for me to get an hour with Mike alone. My other fave is the shot of his shoes when he hits that pose on the tips of his toes (pp. 40-41). The most honest representation is the shot of Michael and the band screaming their heads off and getting amped up before taking the stage (pp. 58-59) or laughing in his movie theater at home (pp. 126-127). All the laughing shots. Michael was quick to laugh, and took great pleasure in it.
.
Q: Do you think Michael took more satisfaction in his singing or his dancing?
A: I would guess he took most satisfaction in his singing. He took the utmost care of his voice. Turning off the air conditioning while it was 95 degrees outside, drinking lemon honey brews, singing scales. He treated his voice very seriously. Given the amount of care, I'd have to say singing.
.
Q: What did you learn as a photographer in the years you photographed Michael?
A: I learned the importance of observing and understanding your subject. The importance of creating a narrative: telling a story in a picture or asking a question to create viewer interest and engagement. I was trained as a conceptual artist, not a photojournalist, yet most of the work I did with the Jackson 5 and Michael was documentary photography. At first I was quite ambivalent about documentary photography, believing that one was simply working like a Xerox machine, and not especially creatively. But I developed a respect for documentary--the reality in front of us is often more fantastic than what we can imagine, if one has the patience and sensitivity to observe it. Still, my next step would be to go on and make art and create my own meaning of the world, rather than seek out more opportunities to convey someone else's.
.
Q: What is your favorite MJ song amd why?
A: Wanna Be Starting Something" and "Don’t Stop Till You Get Enough." Although I heard these songs countless times on the tour, I never tired of them, and I was full of joy whenever Michael would sing them. Maybe also because my best shot, the one with his shoes en point, was made during the tuxedo segment of the show when he sung those songs.
.
Q: You say in the book that Michael seemed like a child at heart. How did that part of his personality impact his adult life? Was it a struggle to balance the childlike view with his adult responsibilities?
A: Mike was good at bracketing. He'd slip into serious adult mood in a flash when business was being discussed. He was a wise man-child. When finished discussing business issues he could easily and quickly slip back into play mode. On the positive side, his childlike persona gave him fluid access to the creative part of his mind. He could play with musical ideas easily and maintain a sense of curiosity and wonder, making his own rules. I think he found a way of being that was satisfying and immensely productive.
.
Q: How did Michael interact with you behind the camera? Did posing come naturally for him, or did you need to draw him out?
A: Photographing a subject is a dance. It takes a while to click into rhythm. Michael never stumbled in our photo dance. By the time Thriller was released he was more in command of the camera than a few years earlier. More confident. In Atlanta (for the white T-shirt shoot), he took more direction than in his home in Encino for the photos later in the book. Our relationship developed to the point
,that it wasn’t necessary to draw him out. There was trust. We were both spontaneous when we shot.
.
Q: How has Michael's death affected you? Were you surprised by your feelings?
.
A: I didn't grieve until several days after he passed. I spoke to my son the day Michael died and he was deeply emotional over his passing. When I did grieve, I surprised myself. Alone in a room, sobbing, I started talking to Mike, finishing the conversation we started 25 years ago, and making a promise to fulfill a wish. I don’t normally act this way.


http://www.amazon.com/Mic...0811875067
"Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything." --Plato

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Reply #3 posted 05/12/15 10:16pm

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purplethunder3121 said:




A Q&A with Todd Gray, Author of Michael Jackson: Before He Was King







Q: How did you first meet Michael Jackson?
A: I first met Michael in 1974, when I was sent on an assignment to photograph Stevie Wonder at the Record Plant studio in Hollywood. Stevie was recording the single “You Haven't Done Nothin',” which featured backing vocals by the Jackson 5, so Michael and his brothers were there. I had been photographing rock groups since 1971, while I was still in high school, and kept on to help pay for college and later, art school. When I got to the studio that evening I walked into the engineering booth and saw a young man with a huge Afro. He was wearing ill-fitting slacks and hovering around the mixing board, watching Stevie's hands intensely as Stevie was adjusting the sound of the playback. I realized he was Michael Jackson. I had no idea that the pictures I took of him then would be the beginning of a decade-long journey.


A few years later, in 1979, I was hired to shoot the Jacksons for their back-to-back appearances on American Bandstand and Soul Train. I’d photographed the Jacksons a few times since 1974 for various magazines, but never really spoken to them (publicity photographers are kind of low on the totem pole). This assignment would change that. On the Bandstand shoot, all the brothers were backstage along with record company people, family, friends. Each new person who entered greeted Jackie, Marlon, Randy, and Tito, but it was clear that Michael was the one who had the juice in the room, and everybody was jockeying for position to get his attention, catch his eye. I thought it best to stay away from all the action swirling around Michael, so I just drifted over to another part of the room. It didn’t take long for Marlon to find me and start peppering me with questions, probably because I was the newest face in the crowd and we were close in age, but maybe also because I was one of very few black photographers on the rock scene. Soon Tito and Jackie wandered over, and in no time I felt relaxed and at ease, as if hanging out with my own friends.

.
The next day we were on the set of Soul Train in Hollywood. The same cast of characters was there--marketing, promotion, and publicity people from Epic Records--and they were all buzzing around Michael. When I came into the dressing room Tito and Marlon greeted me warmly. Jackie and Randy joined us, and I quickly became the focus of their teasing and inside jokes. We laughed a lot, talked about sports, cars, and movies--guy stuff. I didn't make any effort to get Michael's attention or even look his way. I was having too good a time joking with his brothers, and all of the adults around Michael seemed boring in comparison.

.
Two weeks later I was shooting Michael backstage at L.A.'s Forum, where he was receiving his platinum records for Off the Wall. Once again there was a huge entourage of industry people, family, and friends around. When I saw Michael he walked over to me and asked in a quiet whisper, "How come you never speak to me? You joke with my brothers, but not with me. Don't you like me?" I didn’t know what to say. He took me completely off guard with his voice and his question. "No, you’re fine," I said, "You always look so busy, and I've had nothing to say. Michael, I like you." "Okay," he said, and walked away.

.
The following January I got a call that Michael had personally asked me to come and photograph him while he was taping a TV special with Danny Kaye at Disneyland. Whenever the director would release him from the set to prepare the next shot Michael would grab my arm and say "Come on, let’s hit some rides," and we'd run off ushered by Disney security through secret passageways, making certain we never waited in line. Michael, who was t21 at the time, loved Disneyland, and while sitting next to him on the rides I joined right in with his screams and laughter. We really had fun.

.
Not long after this job, I got another call from his manager saying that Michael had told him to hire only me when he needed a photographer. His manager asked, "What’s up with you and Michael?" "We just get along, I guess," I said. I asked the manager why Michael chose me and he said Michael told him, "I like Todd because he doesn’t talk much."

.
Q: What are a few of your observations about Michael's life that people outside of his world have never seen?
A: Well, he was very observant, and had amazing focus. And when he was performing it might look effortless for him when he was doing it, but that only happened because he had a dedication and perfectionism focused on his performance, whether that was on stage or in the mixing booth with the engineers. He’d be nervous and tense before going onstage, but that would all get channeled into his performance. Sometimes he didn’t sleep well in hotels on the road, and he had a special recording machine that switched on in the middle of the night and played stories. It had three clocks--you can see it on the nightstand in the second photo in the book.

/
Q: Did Michael’s work ethic influence you in your work?
A: MJ would not stand for mediocrity. I only realized that I had adopted his work ethic a few years after I stopped working for him. Whenever I was tired and my heart was not into my work, I'd find myself thinking about how MJ pushed himself to maintain a high level of quality, and this made me not settle for "good enough" in my photo work. I always strove to achieve the best I was capable of producing, regardless of the circumstance or size of the job. I passed this onto my students over the years as motivation to achieve greater heights than they thought themselves capable. "Shoot for the stars, and if you don't make it, at least you'll land on the moon."

.
Q: What was it like travelling with Michael and the Jacksons?
A: Traveling with MJ and the J5 was akin to being in a bubble. Security blanketed us while on the road. Michael was so engrossed in the development of his career that he had a disproportionate world view. I (and others) had to watch our language: no swear words, sexual references, dirty jokes. He maintained an ultra moral, verbal-antiseptic space around himself, and perhaps saw the world through the atmosphere of this space. He chose to focus on pleasant things. As a result he may not have been able to make clear distinctions between the space that constituted his reality and the one we refer to as the "world."

.
Q: You started out shooting the Jacksons, and then became Michael's chosen photographer. What was his relationship like with his brothers?
A: Marlon was great fun. Sometimes too much fun. He was a joker and prankster. Jackie was cool, more on the quiet side. They made me feel at ease. No subject was out of bounds with them. I could be unguarded, knowing that I wouldn’t offend them if a swear word or bawdy joke slipped out. I could share a beer with Jackie. Oops... I thought you wanted to know my relationship with them! Michael and his brothers got on very well. They shared a level of intimacy that anyone outside of the family was not privy to, except for lifelong body guard Bill Bray. Michael seemed to reach out to Randy and Marlon the most, though. Katherine was treated in the highest regard. Joe was a quiet, forceful presence. He was hanging out with LaToya when she’d join us on the road, and later at home.

.
Q: Which photograph in the book is your favorite? Which do you feel is the most honest representation of the Michael you knew?
A: My personal favorite is the first white T-shirt shot in the book (page 27). That's my favorite session because MJ and I talked about it quite a bit beforehand and we were undisturbed. We wanted to express a level of his depth in the portraits. It took a month for me to get an hour with Mike alone. My other fave is the shot of his shoes when he hits that pose on the tips of his toes (pp. 40-41). The most honest representation is the shot of Michael and the band screaming their heads off and getting amped up before taking the stage (pp. 58-59) or laughing in his movie theater at home (pp. 126-127). All the laughing shots. Michael was quick to laugh, and took great pleasure in it.

.
Q: Do you think Michael took more satisfaction in his singing or his dancing?
A: I would guess he took most satisfaction in his singing. He took the utmost care of his voice. Turning off the air conditioning while it was 95 degrees outside, drinking lemon honey brews, singing scales. He treated his voice very seriously. Given the amount of care, I'd have to say singing.

.
Q: What did you learn as a photographer in the years you photographed Michael?
A: I learned the importance of observing and understanding your subject. The importance of creating a narrative: telling a story in a picture or asking a question to create viewer interest and engagement. I was trained as a conceptual artist, not a photojournalist, yet most of the work I did with the Jackson 5 and Michael was documentary photography. At first I was quite ambivalent about documentary photography, believing that one was simply working like a Xerox machine, and not especially creatively. But I developed a respect for documentary--the reality in front of us is often more fantastic than what we can imagine, if one has the patience and sensitivity to observe it. Still, my next step would be to go on and make art and create my own meaning of the world, rather than seek out more opportunities to convey someone else's.

.
Q: What is your favorite MJ song amd why?
A: Wanna Be Starting Something" and "Don’t Stop Till You Get Enough." Although I heard these songs countless times on the tour, I never tired of them, and I was full of joy whenever Michael would sing them. Maybe also because my best shot, the one with his shoes en point, was made during the tuxedo segment of the show when he sung those songs.

.
Q: You say in the book that Michael seemed like a child at heart. How did that part of his personality impact his adult life? Was it a struggle to balance the childlike view with his adult responsibilities?
A: Mike was good at bracketing. He'd slip into serious adult mood in a flash when business was being discussed. He was a wise man-child. When finished discussing business issues he could easily and quickly slip back into play mode. On the positive side, his childlike persona gave him fluid access to the creative part of his mind. He could play with musical ideas easily and maintain a sense of curiosity and wonder, making his own rules. I think he found a way of being that was satisfying and immensely productive.

.
Q: How did Michael interact with you behind the camera? Did posing come naturally for him, or did you need to draw him out?
A: Photographing a subject is a dance. It takes a while to click into rhythm. Michael never stumbled in our photo dance. By the time Thriller was released he was more in command of the camera than a few years earlier. More confident. In Atlanta (for the white T-shirt shoot), he took more direction than in his home in Encino for the photos later in the book. Our relationship developed to the point

,that it wasn’t necessary to draw him out. There was trust. We were both spontaneous when we shot.

.
Q: How has Michael's death affected you? Were you surprised by your feelings?

.
A: I didn't grieve until several days after he passed. I spoke to my son the day Michael died and he was deeply emotional over his passing. When I did grieve, I surprised myself. Alone in a room, sobbing, I started talking to Mike, finishing the conversation we started 25 years ago, and making a promise to fulfill a wish. I don’t normally act this way.





http://www.amazon.com/Mic...0811875067

very good read ,I might have to check that book out
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Reply #4 posted 05/15/15 12:40am

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breakdown2k14 said:

purplethunder3121 said:

A Q&A with Todd Gray, Author of Michael Jackson: Before He Was King
very good read ,I might have to check that book out

A word of warning though, I have the book (bought it based on a piece in Waxpoetics magazine) and it's mostly just photographs - not stories like this. The photos are cool, but I was kinda disappointed.

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Reply #5 posted 05/15/15 7:24pm

Scorp

I came across a very compelling book, as thought provoking as their is
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Reply #6 posted 05/22/15 5:54pm

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[Edited 5/22/15 17:55pm]

"Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything." --Plato

https://youtu.be/CVwv9LZMah0
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Reply #7 posted 05/29/15 3:27pm

Dilan

ghosts 1993 just leaked snippet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lzVj0XQsD0

I'm feeling a bit fammy™
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Reply #8 posted 05/29/15 11:46pm

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Dilan said:

ghosts 1993 just leaked snippet



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lzVj0XQsD0


very nice! thanks for sharing
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Reply #9 posted 05/31/15 6:03am

truth78

Year 2008: the 14 and 1/2 years long loan, that Sony Corporation forced Michael Jackson in

Year 2008: Sony Corp. pushed Michael Jackson into a 14 and 1/2 years long loan to pay back to Sony Corp.

With the financial situation MJ was forced facing, MJ was pushed in deeper trouble by Sony Corp.

Starting in 2008 and for 14 and 1/2 years after, Sony Corp. diverted Michael Jackson 's revenues from Sony/ATV to themselves .

In 2008/2009 :

Neverland was in foreclosure.

Hayvenhurst was going into foreclosure.

There were loans on Sony/ATV.

There were loans on Mijac.

A MJ that was already facing loans & foreclosures, did NOT need Sony Corp. diverting MJ's money from Sony/ATV revenues to Sony Corp.,to pay acquisition debts!

Imagine the financial impact that this acquisition loan in 2008 was having on MJ, a MJ facing loans & foreclosures.

How little revenues from Sony/ATV were left for Michael Jackson to pay his loan against Sony/ATV ownership, to avoid losing it?

How little revenues from Sony/ATV were left for Michael Jackson to pay his loan against MiJAC, to avoid losing it ?

How little revenues from Sony/ATV were left for Michael Jackson to pay his loan against Neverland, to avoid losing it ?

In 2008, for Sony Corp.,acquisitions loans through their 1/2 of Sony/ATV,was just a matter of moving money from one sector of a multibillion dollar Corporation, to another sector of the same Corporation, following a long term Corporation business plan.

In 2008,with the financial situation MJ was forced facing and that was pushing him to the loss of everything, an acquisition loan against his 1/2 of Sony/ATV, was the LAST thing MJ needed!

A Michael Jackson failing to accomplish "This is It" and surviving, would have meant the loss of EVERYTHING he had!

Sony was at his door ... Sony had already a plan in their mind for MiJAC , with Syco/Branca 's involvement....plan implemented after MJ's death by Sony/Branca.

The Michael Jackson's "ownership" of sony/ATV and MiJAC was and still is an "ownership" of facade that have had for years and still has today, ONE MAIN beneficiary ONLY... SONY Corporation!

MJ had died, while Sony has made a living off him

http://postimg.org/image/.../ca1f93a1/

http://postimg.org/image/.../6cc00963/

[Edited 5/31/15 6:04am]

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Reply #10 posted 05/31/15 10:13am

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Congratulations to Prince Michael Jackson - Class of 2015 - I know Michael would be so proud. cool

http://www.lovebscott.com...hool-photo

I knew from the start that I loved you with all my heart.
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Reply #11 posted 05/31/15 8:10pm

Scorp

truth78 said:

Year 2008: the 14 and 1/2 years long loan, that Sony Corporation forced Michael Jackson in



Year 2008: Sony Corp. pushed Michael Jackson into a 14 and 1/2 years long loan to pay back to Sony Corp.


With the financial situation MJ was forced facing, MJ was pushed in deeper trouble by Sony Corp.


Starting in 2008 and for 14 and 1/2 years after, Sony Corp. diverted Michael Jackson 's revenues from Sony/ATV to themselves .


In 2008/2009 :


Neverland was in foreclosure.


Hayvenhurst was going into foreclosure.


There were loans on Sony/ATV.


There were loans on Mijac.


A MJ that was already facing loans & foreclosures, did NOT need Sony Corp. diverting MJ's money from Sony/ATV revenues to Sony Corp.,to pay acquisition debts!


Imagine the financial impact that this acquisition loan in 2008 was having on MJ, a MJ facing loans & foreclosures.


How little revenues from Sony/ATV were left for Michael Jackson to pay his loan against Sony/ATV ownership, to avoid losing it?


How little revenues from Sony/ATV were left for Michael Jackson to pay his loan against MiJAC, to avoid losing it ?


How little revenues from Sony/ATV were left for Michael Jackson to pay his loan against Neverland, to avoid losing it ?


In 2008, for Sony Corp.,acquisitions loans through their 1/2 of Sony/ATV,was just a matter of moving money from one sector of a multibillion dollar Corporation, to another sector of the same Corporation, following a long term Corporation business plan.


In 2008,with the financial situation MJ was forced facing and that was pushing him to the loss of everything, an acquisition loan against his 1/2 of Sony/ATV, was the LAST thing MJ needed!


A Michael Jackson failing to accomplish "This is It" and surviving, would have meant the loss of EVERYTHING he had!


Sony was at his door ... Sony had already a plan in their mind for MiJAC , with Syco/Branca 's involvement....plan implemented after MJ's death by Sony/Branca.


The Michael Jackson's "ownership" of sony/ATV and MiJAC was and still is an "ownership" of facade that have had for years and still has today, ONE MAIN beneficiary ONLY... SONY Corporation!


MJ had died, while Sony has made a living off him



http://postimg.org/image/.../ca1f93a1/



http://postimg.org/image/.../6cc00963/

[Edited 5/31/15 6:04am]






Wait, when I mentioned what the situation was regarding this manner, I was told to take a hike

The real issue is how it got to this point

None of this would have ever happened if he had never lost his foundational support he had garnered during the first 16 years of his career

Once his support declined domestically by the end of the 80s, thats when this started

All this that started then led him to sign on to an ill fated tour that was insured by relinquishing everything he had, assets he had individually and those he co-owned with his family, which is why the family filed that suit a couple of years ago
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Reply #12 posted 06/02/15 2:14pm

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Anyone hear that crazy rumor that Kanye West wants to but Neverland Ranch for Kim Kardashian?
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Reply #13 posted 06/04/15 12:15am

motownlover

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=19&v=UM_XIWVrVrM

footage of "Is it scary video in 1993 !! with "seeing voices track over the video

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Reply #14 posted 06/04/15 7:42am

JoeTyler

looking back, the Bad tour was incredibly dull, sound too thin and too much aerobics...

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Reply #15 posted 06/04/15 5:44pm

mcmk785new

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thriller session tracks "nite line" and "hot street" are now circulating in better quality than the thriller demos boot.
Hot Street

Nite Line
until then i'll pretend this fuchsia light is god...
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Reply #16 posted 06/06/15 12:29pm

SoulAlive

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thriller session tracks "nite line" and "hot street" are now circulating in better quality than the thriller demos boot. Hot Street Nite Line

the Thriller outtakes are fun,but it's easy to see why these tunes didn't make it onto the album.They're simply not as strong as "Beat It","Billie Jean",etc.

but Michael should have used these as B-sides.

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Reply #17 posted 06/06/15 7:13pm

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Behind The Mask would've had the most potential to be a hit. Would like to hear the version from 1982 in HQ.

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Reply #18 posted 06/09/15 2:00pm

Rodney

JoeTyler said:

looking back, the Bad tour was incredibly dull, sound too thin and too much aerobics...

Nah i disagree, i loved that tour https://www.youtube.com/w...XR_qq7v1cQ

But when he said the bad tour would be his last one, he really meant that, still believe that to this day biggrin

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Reply #19 posted 06/13/15 1:06am

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This is really stupid. Why, after years and years post his death, is there a single thread for this?
Why haven't ben and the mods met to discuss possibly changing this?

Why is this still going on?
It's really stupid.

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Reply #20 posted 06/15/15 12:39pm

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というわけで、オールスタージャンケン大会の優勝者は、マイケル・ジャクソン

さすがマイケル、決まり手となった最後のチョキは全身で表現。この見事なチョキを破るグーを私は思いつくことができない。

マイケルの他にも素晴らしいジャンケン家たちがいた。前半で活躍が目立ったのは、ブルース・リー。リーにはグーとパーしか出せないような印象があるが、今回は自分の硬派なキャラを逆手に取った意外性のあるチョキも繰り出して強さを見せた。コメディ感覚も併せ持つしたたかさがリーの勝因と言えるかもしれない。途中、ジャッキー・チェンの蛇拳に隙をつかれたものの、『怒りの鉄拳』の鬼気迫るグーでこれをねじ伏せ、元祖カンフー・スターの貫禄を見せつけた。ブルース・リーは“ジャン拳”の達人でもある(ちなみに、『燃えよドラゴン』の悪人ハン=シー・キエンの出場も考慮されたが、彼の義手はチョキとは見なされないとして最終的に却下された)

後半ではジェイムズ・ブラウンプリンスが熱い一騎打ちを繰り広げた。JBを倒すことに異様な執念を見せるプリンス。そして、彼の猛攻を阻止する御大JB。プリンスのしつこさにさすがのJBも苦戦を強いられたが、粘着するプリンスを最後は意地のグーで駆逐し、ゴッドファーザーの面目をどうにか保った。JBとプリンスの死闘は、今回の大会の最大のハイライトのひとつと言って良いだろう。

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マイケル・ジャクソンに死角なし!

それにしても、マイケルのジャンケンの強さは圧倒的である。JBの必殺のグーを「Thriller」の渾身のパーで破った後、次々と強敵を倒し、最後まで他を寄せ付けなかった。マイケルはグー・チョキ・パーの全てを出すことができ、しかも、出し方のバリエーションが豊富である。そして、出し手のすべてが力強く美しい。他の出場者たちと比べると一目瞭然だが、マイケルの出すグー・チョキ・パーには、いずれも強烈な視覚的インパクトがある。並みのグー・チョキ・パーでは太刀打ちできない説得力があるのだ。こんなに美しくジャンケンができる人間を私は他に知らない。手の形ひとつ取っても、彼がいかに優れた表現者であったかが分かるだろう。キング・オブ・ポップは、“キング・オブ・ジャンケン”でもあったのだ。

ところで、ジャンケン王マイケルが最後に出したチョキは、その直前のフレッド・アステアのパーに対するものだが、よく見ると、アステアと一緒にいるジーン・ケリーはグーを出している。マイケルのチョキはアステアのパーに勝っているが、ケリーのグーには負けている。そして、ケリーのグーはアステアのパーに負けている。つまり、アステア、ケリー、マイケルの三者による最後の勝負は、実は引き分けということになる。

フレッド・アステアとジーン・ケリーが一緒にいるのは、MGMのレヴュー映画『ジーグフェルド・フォリーズ』(1945)内に登場するナンバー「The Babbitt And The Bromide」の一場面である。これは現役時代にアステアとケリーの2人が共演した唯一の作品でもある(両者の共演作には、この他に'76年のMGMアンソロジー映画『ザッツ・エンタテインメント Part 2』がある)。このナンバーでアステアとケリーは、数十年ごとに再会して旧交を温める不思議な友人同士を演じている。白髪頭の2人がハープを手にしている前掲の場面は、最後に両者が天国で再会した時のもの。そこで彼らは愉快にいがみ合いながら、歌と踊りで丁々発止のやりとりを繰り広げる。

私は想像する。今、天上の世界では、アステアとケリーのこの交歓にマイケルが加わり、3人でソング&ダンス合戦を楽しく繰り広ている。彼らの勝負は、いつまで経っても引き分けのままなのである。

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Reply #21 posted 06/16/15 6:06am

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Blixical said:

This is really stupid. Why, after years and years post his death, is there a single thread for this?
Why haven't ben and the mods met to discuss possibly changing this?

Why is this still going on?
It's really stupid.


Maybe because folks keep him alive on here? or that some folks think this is jackson.org?

But yeah, I agree. At some point MJ will lose this sticky status that has been going for yearsssss now.

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REAL MUSIC by REAL MUSICIANS - Prince
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Reply #22 posted 06/16/15 8:54am

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luv4u said:

Blixical said:

This is really stupid. Why, after years and years post his death, is there a single thread for this?
Why haven't ben and the mods met to discuss possibly changing this?

Why is this still going on?
It's really stupid.


Maybe because folks keep him alive on here? or that some folks think this is jackson.org?

But yeah, I agree. At some point MJ will lose this sticky status that has been going for yearsssss now.

It's beyond rediculous at this point.
It's been 6 years. The thread is impossible to follow.

It's really really stupid.

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Reply #23 posted 06/16/15 10:20am

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Look at the Janet threads Blixical. If you think her fanatics are somewhat deluded, overtly hilarious and very active typers then imagine the MJ acolytes "unchained"... The MJ Sticky is a blessing in disguise. Plus we get hilarious b-sides and rare photos. Me like it here - the only possible suggestion I'd posit would to re-brand the sticky as Discuss Everything & Anything Jackson Family (MJ, JJ, J5, etc.) to have it all hidden away. Regarding Prince and MJ the two will always go together historically.

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Reply #24 posted 06/16/15 1:16pm

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TheGoldStandard said:

Look at the Janet threads Blixical. If you think her fanatics are somewhat deluded, overtly hilarious and very active typers then imagine the MJ acolytes "unchained"... The MJ Sticky is a blessing in disguise. Plus we get hilarious b-sides and rare photos. Me like it here - the only possible suggestion I'd posit would to re-brand the sticky as Discuss Everything & Anything Jackson Family (MJ, JJ, J5, etc.) to have it all hidden away. Regarding Prince and MJ the two will always go together historically.

Why? Because you pathetic insecure little Prince fans still feel threatened by a dead man, his brothers and his sister, who's supposedly way beyond her prime?? This sticky sucks. And it is pathetic to have a Non-Prince thread, but a limit on threads about certain artists. If people want to talk about them, let them and if people don't want to talk about them, the threads will die a quick death. Everything else is just ridiculous and petty.

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Reply #26 posted 06/16/15 3:30pm

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TheGoldStandard said:

Look at the Janet threads Blixical. If you think her fanatics are somewhat deluded, overtly hilarious and very active typers then imagine the MJ acolytes "unchained"... The MJ Sticky is a blessing in disguise. Plus we get hilarious b-sides and rare photos. Me like it here - the only possible suggestion I'd posit would to re-brand the sticky as Discuss Everything & Anything Jackson Family (MJ, JJ, J5, etc.) to have it all hidden away. Regarding Prince and MJ the two will always go together historically.



hmmm

canada

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Reply #27 posted 06/16/15 4:16pm

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[Bait snip - luv4u]

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Reply #28 posted 06/17/15 7:15am

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It makes sense! Here is your somewhat dormant MJ sticky - it could be full of activity and discussion all summer long if it were a Janet thread as well.

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Reply #29 posted 06/17/15 10:49am

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PatrickS77 said:

[Bait snip - luv4u]

Ah, the truth hurts, doesn't it'? Still showing your small minded, insecure, pathetic pettyness.

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