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Reply #90 posted 05/08/15 7:29am

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SoulAlive said:

I remember having this same discussion a long time ago and someone had the nerve to say that The Gees sold out in the mid-70s when they started doing R&B and disco nuts Considering how much success they had with their artistic makeover,how can anyone argue that it was a bad idea? I didn't see it as jumping on a bandwagon...those guys have always loved R&B sounds.

Some people see Disco as just a big cash-in, even though it was a major part of R&B.

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Reply #91 posted 05/08/15 10:10am

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MotownSubdivision said:


JoeTyler said:

Prince for most of 1989-1999


Eminem


Madonna 2008 and counting


Stevie Wonder after Hotter Than July


Paul McCartney after the first half of the '70s


Liz Phair


Lionel Richie


Billy Idol


Adam Ant


Justin Bieber


Whitney Houston and Mariah (since the beginning)


David Bowie 1983-1987


Elton John 1979 and 1984-1989


Aerosmith after 1989-90's Pump


Def Leppard after 1984


Metallica after 1993


Poison


pretty much EVERY AOR band


RHCP after 1995


Kiss in 1979-80 and 1985-1990


Whitesnake 1988-1990


Van Hagar


Bryan Adams


Blondie after 1979


some eras of Ozzy Osbourne


Bon Jovi after their first two albums 84-85


Mick Jagger's 80s solo albums


Queen 1982-1989


Beach Boys 1978-1996


Carlos Santana with the Arista label


Phil Collins solo and his pop version of Genesis


Peter Gabriel in the '80s


certain albums/songs of Eric Clapton


Tina Turner (after or with Private Dancer, depending on whom you ask)





Many of these I disagree with but the one I want to point out is Bieber. He was always a record label product just as pretty much every boy band before him and One Direction now. How can he be considered a sell out when he was made by the industry to sing shallow, radio friendly paint-by-numbers pop music from the beginning and likely never had any control over his output?


guy started as a young teen playing acoustic guitar, becoming a youtube celeb, then $$$$$ knocked on his door and he embraced studio guidance and synths-playback-autotune


sellout in my book, no matter how young he was



Acoustic guitar songs about what? Just because he ceased to play an instrument once going mainstream doesn't mean he's a sell out; besides, like we need more boring, dull as dish water, softly sung acoustic guitar music.

Anyway, for a true sell-out I say Jay Z. The dude went from street corner to corner office and is a millionaire of a business mogul but exploits people who are in the same position he used to be in as well as the average middle class citizen. With his past, you'd think he'd be much more adamant about giving back to the community and looking to uplift this generation of (black) youth but the dude is all about money now. The only thing he's good for these days music-wise is bragging about how rich he is but not without reminding us that he's still a gangsta/ about that life and pretty much repeating what he's said on his earlier albums; we get it dude, you made it, you're a success story, shut up. Jay has nothing important to say anymore but that doesn't stop him from spouting hot air and weak, petty, and self-indulging lines on every track he's featured on or every song he makes now. Jay is as real as his wife's hair but he'll take every opportunity to say that he's anything but.
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Reply #92 posted 05/08/15 7:45pm

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I don't think of Elton John as a sell out - more like he just stopped writing good music. He was very popular and then in the late 70's his albums just started to suck and the hits stopped coming. Since then he just keeps trying to catch the wave but never manages to hang ten. His drug use and splitting with his lyricist didn't help.

No its becauase Elton also came out as a Bisexual man in 1976 in a Rolling Stone interview and Americans abandoned him in droves. He crossed over with his country pop and R and B tinged Americana inhis music, but these same people who have a "traditional" view on religion and society could not stand to listen to the utterings of a bisexual and a sodomite and some one who did not love American God and Jeebasus.


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He had no big hits in the US again until Little Jeannie in 1980 and mainly as it was about a girl. America was even more homophobic back then. Same thing happened to Queen with Freddies cross dressing in the 1984 song video I wanna break free. What little momentum Queen had got in the USA to that point had gone and was not retsored until Waynes World in 1992.


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I guess Americans don't mind if someone is gay, but when they act gay and rub it in their face, that is different, after all Boy George and George Michael did well until they fully emerged as GAY.


Lets not forget how the British music establishment shunned
Boy George and Culture Club by banning their participation
in Band Aid. Obviously Boy George's homosexuality made the
British public nervous.
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