I alwys felt this was the act and the song that really started the practice of the overabundant use of sampling

I never understood why this song became a hit when it was nothing but P-funk revisited

they actually received grammy nominations for this

this is when the floodgates opened

Scorp said:

I alwys felt this was the act and the song that really started the practice of the overabundant use of sampling

I never understood why this song became a hit when it was nothing but P-funk revisited

they actually received grammy nominations for this

this is when the floodgates opened

Setting aside the fact that the song's lyrics make it more than P-Funk revisited . . . sure, the beat is pure P-Funk but De La was HARDLY the first artist to rhyme behind a sampled loop. RUN-DMC's "Walk This Way" (which was literally Aerosmith revisited) and MC Hammer's "U Can;t Touch This" were bigger hits.

The floodgates were opened well before the relatively modest charting "Me Myself and I."

Moral of the story?

Prince isn't into suing.

"Your reggae track sounds like my reggae track"

namepeace said:

Scorp said:

I alwys felt this was the act and the song that really started the practice of the overabundant use of sampling

I never understood why this song became a hit when it was nothing but P-funk revisited

they actually received grammy nominations for this

this is when the floodgates opened

Setting aside the fact that the song's lyrics make it more than P-Funk revisited . . . sure, the beat is pure P-Funk but De La was HARDLY the first artist to rhyme behind a sampled loop. RUN-DMC's "Walk This Way" (which was literally Aerosmith revisited) and MC Hammer's "U Can;t Touch This" were bigger hits.

The floodgates were opened well before the relatively modest charting "Me Myself and I."

Walk This Way came out in 1986, yes they sample

in 86, you had 3 main rap acts who stood at the forefront: Run DMC, LL COOL J, and THE BEASTIE BOYS

ME MYSELF AND I hit in 1988-1989, and a wave of new artists starting sampling and they were sampling James Brown and GEorge Clinton all over the place

then by 1990, MC HAMMER went ham with it starting with U CAN'T TOUCH THIS......

nuttynutmeg said:

lrn36 said:

Prince can't escape from this.

Slow it down and becomes the basis for Do Me Baby

Cymone wrote Do Me Baby, not Prince.

interesting.

CynicKill said:

Moral of the story?

Prince isn't into suing.

I disagree. Prince sued a lady who had put a Youtube video of her baby dancing to one of Prince's songs.

psychodelicide said:

CynicKill said:

Moral of the story?

Prince isn't into suing.

I disagree. Prince sued a lady who had put a Youtube video of her baby dancing to one of Prince's songs.

Scorp said:

namepeace said:

Setting aside the fact that the song's lyrics make it more than P-Funk revisited . . . sure, the beat is pure P-Funk but De La was HARDLY the first artist to rhyme behind a sampled loop. RUN-DMC's "Walk This Way" (which was literally Aerosmith revisited) and MC Hammer's "U Can;t Touch This" were bigger hits.

The floodgates were opened well before the relatively modest charting "Me Myself and I."

Walk This Way came out in 1986, yes they sample

in 86, you had 3 main rap acts who stood at the forefront: Run DMC, LL COOL J, and THE BEASTIE BOYS

ME MYSELF AND I hit in 1988-1989, and a wave of new artists starting sampling and they were sampling James Brown and GEorge Clinton all over the place

then by 1990, MC HAMMER went ham with it starting with U CAN'T TOUCH THIS......

Thank you. I remember. And you just proved my counterpoint. The 3 "main rap acts" you named had far more to do with "opening the floodgates of sampling" than De La Soul did and they did so BEFORE De La Soul.

There were other prominent groups that were sampling James Brown and George Clinton that were as high profile, if not higher profile that preceded De La Soul. Eric B and Rakim. EPMD. Public Enemy. They made some of the most important hip-hop albums of the era, and of all time, using the same sampling formula in the 18 months or so before "MM&I" dropped.

"Me Myself and I" was a game-changer not for the "Knee Deep" loop, which wasn't unique, but for the flow, lyricism, content, and the distinctive video accompanying the song.

MC Hammer came along thereafter -- along with Vanilla Ice -- and took what the "main rap acts" you mentioned to the next level in terms of sales.

"MM&I" was part of the sampling wave. It didn't open the floodgates for it. The chronology we both cited proves that gate was opened before then.

namepeace said:

Scorp said:

Walk This Way came out in 1986, yes they sample

in 86, you had 3 main rap acts who stood at the forefront: Run DMC, LL COOL J, and THE BEASTIE BOYS

ME MYSELF AND I hit in 1988-1989, and a wave of new artists starting sampling and they were sampling James Brown and GEorge Clinton all over the place

then by 1990, MC HAMMER went ham with it starting with U CAN'T TOUCH THIS......

Thank you. I remember. And you just proved my counterpoint. The 3 "main rap acts" you named had far more to do with "opening the floodgates of sampling" than De La Soul did and they did so BEFORE De La Soul.

There were other prominent groups that were sampling James Brown and George Clinton that were as high profile, if not higher profile that preceded De La Soul. Eric B and Rakim. EPMD. Public Enemy. They made some of the most important hip-hop albums of the era, and of all time, using the same sampling formula in the 18 months or so before "MM&I" dropped.

"Me Myself and I" was a game-changer not for the "Knee Deep" loop, which wasn't unique, but for the flow, lyricism, content, and the distinctive video accompanying the song.

MC Hammer came along thereafter -- along with Vanilla Ice -- and took what the "main rap acts" you mentioned to the next level in terms of sales.

"MM&I" was part of the sampling wave. It didn't open the floodgates for it. The chronology we both cited proves that gate was opened before then.

this is true

the difference is with Run DMC, LL COOL J, the Beastie Boys, Eric B and Rakim and PE, when they sampled, they sampled riffs or adlibs (ala James Brown) as an underlying to their own beats they created, their samples added extra umpff, like an exclamation....Public Enemy created some of the greatest beats ever...or as they say Bring The Noise

Del La Soul just ripped an entire song and rapped over it, if you took away the lyrics, you would think you're listening solely to Knee Deep

what I mean by the floodgates, by the time the 90s hit, not only were rap artists sampling but artists from other genres as well

so much so, Kirk Franklin has sampled music from over 45 artists in his career......

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Wow, Soul! Great minds think ALIKE! The first band that came 2 mind 4 me are the Bar Kays and their producer, Allen A. Jones. There's an awful LOT of "liftiness" in THAT mix and with Ebonee Webb's "Somethin' About You" which seems 2 rip off "Head" by Prince.

SoulAlive said:

Michael Jackson's song "Thriller" borrows its bassline from Rick James' song "Give It To Me,Baby".

The Bar Kays' song "Freakshow On The Dancefloor" is basically just a faster version of Midnight Star's "No Parking On The Dancefloor" (there are several other Bar Kays songs that borrow heavily from other songs)

Lady Gaga's song "Born This Way" sounds a little too similiar to Madonna's "Express Yourself",something which Madonna herself has acknowledged.

^^ I really love the BarKays but let's be honest....they did alot of "borrowing" in the 80s Many of their hits from that period sound alot like other people's songs.

Billy Ocean's 1984 hit "Carribean Queen" has always sounded like a slower version of "Billie Jean" to me even the choruses are similiar....

and our hearts now beat as one....no more love on the run

claims that I am the one....but the kid is not my son

SoulAlive said:

Billy Ocean's 1984 hit "Carribean Queen" has always sounded like a slower version of "Billie Jean" to me even the choruses are similiar....

and our hearts now beat as one....no more love on the run

claims that I am the one....but the kid is not my son

SOME things just make ya go "Hmmmmmm," buddy! I know! I'm pickin' up what you're puttin' down, brutha! <3

Scorp said:

this was one of those occasions showing how sampling became a real detriment to music.......

and showed how the Pop Ascension destroyed authentic R&B presentation but relied on it to thrive....presenting R&B as an inferior brand but served as the lifeline the entire time

Mariah Carey's music has featured a ton of sampling too

http://www.whosampled.com/Mariah-Carey/?sp=1

Cameo, arguably the most influential R&B act on teh map a year before the Pop Ascension took off and totally pushed them out of the musical landscape. Cameo had longstanding power and should have been performing for decades..

the famous codpiece Larry Blackmon used to wear during performances, well Michael Jackson borrowed that and modified it by wearing a similar get up during his performances of the Dangerous Tour when performing the first set of songs Jam and Wanna Be Startin Somethin, Smooth Criminal and the like...

this is why R&B can no longer chart because it's been robbed of its virtue and identity by so many representatives of other genres: Pop, Rap, Neo-Soul, Contemporary Gospel, contemporary jazz, Latin, even on occassion by country music artists......everyone has tapped into it, because it was the greatest music alive because it derived from years, decades, of cultural expression producing that richness of authenticity

the ascension destroyed R&B

it has been reduced to a sample

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Um, this isn't a "rip-off." Mariah Carey actually asked Cameo to come and re-record their vocals for "Candy" on "Loverboy." So, technically, this isn't lifted from the original 1986 version; Cameo actually re-recorded the vocals on her track. I'm not making this up, there's actually legitimate information on this. I'm just too lazy to search for the source(s).

speaking of Mariah Carey,my favorite song by her is "Fly Like A Bird" This song borrows certain elements from Deniece Williams' 1976 classic "Free".I don't think there are no samples involved,but you can hear the similarities.

Ironically,Mariah's 1993 hit "Emotions",was accused of borrowing heavily from another Maurice White production....The Emotions' "Best Of My Love" makes you wonder why Mariah didn't simply ask Maurice to produce her album,lol

MusicAddict95 said:

Scorp said:

this was one of those occasions showing how sampling became a real detriment to music.......

and showed how the Pop Ascension destroyed authentic R&B presentation but relied on it to thrive....presenting R&B as an inferior brand but served as the lifeline the entire time

Mariah Carey's music has featured a ton of sampling too

http://www.whosampled.com/Mariah-Carey/?sp=1

Cameo, arguably the most influential R&B act on teh map a year before the Pop Ascension took off and totally pushed them out of the musical landscape. Cameo had longstanding power and should have been performing for decades..

the famous codpiece Larry Blackmon used to wear during performances, well Michael Jackson borrowed that and modified it by wearing a similar get up during his performances of the Dangerous Tour when performing the first set of songs Jam and Wanna Be Startin Somethin, Smooth Criminal and the like...

this is why R&B can no longer chart because it's been robbed of its virtue and identity by so many representatives of other genres: Pop, Rap, Neo-Soul, Contemporary Gospel, contemporary jazz, Latin, even on occassion by country music artists......everyone has tapped into it, because it was the greatest music alive because it derived from years, decades, of cultural expression producing that richness of authenticity

the ascension destroyed R&B

it has been reduced to a sample

[Edited 3/15/15 11:52am]

Um, this isn't a "rip-off." Mariah Carey actually asked Cameo to come and re-record their vocals for "Candy" on "Loverboy." So, technically, this isn't lifted from the original 1986 version; Cameo actually re-recorded the vocals on her track. I'm not making this up, there's actually legitimate information on this. I'm just too lazy to search for the source(s).

this song is Candy rehashed 17 years later........same music and everything.....that's what I mean by rip-off

Mariah's done that many times throughout her career...borrowed heavily from old songs.That "Candy" rehash song ("Loverboy") was terrible,isn't it?

Lady Gaga's "Born This Way"/Madonna's "Express Yourself"

anyway.....this thread could last all year long there are literally thousands of songs that borrow heavily from other songs....whether it's a "rip-off" or not,depends on who you ask.

SoulAlive said:

SoulAlive said:

nuttynutmeg said:

Cymone wrote Do Me Baby, not Prince.

interesting.

That's how the story's been told to us by some biographers and the Uptown / Princevault people. Not everyone is convinced this is the case.

I think in the recent podcast interview Andre Cymone gave he really just said he did the bass line and went uncredited for it. At least he didn't accuse Prince of stealing the entire song from him when asked about it.

I think the melody line is notably different stylistically from the earlier Prince ballads though. So could be either way.

caribean queen borrows heavy from billie jean, people always claim they dont hear it.

Scorp said:

presenting R&B as an inferior brand but served as the lifeline the entire time

I have to give it up to Scorp for summing up in a single sentence the crux of this entire court case, feelings of musicians past and present, Marvin Gaye's family, orgers' feelings on sampling, and the irony of Hip-Hop's love for the genre. Bravo!

Cinny said:

Scorp said:

presenting R&B as an inferior brand but served as the lifeline the entire time

I have to give it up to Scorp for summing up in a single sentence the crux of this entire court case, feelings of musicians past and present, Marvin Gaye's family, orgers' feelings on sampling, and the irony of Hip-Hop's love for the genre. Bravo!

Scorp said:

MusicAddict95 said:

Um, this isn't a "rip-off." Mariah Carey actually asked Cameo to come and re-record their vocals for "Candy" on "Loverboy." So, technically, this isn't lifted from the original 1986 version; Cameo actually re-recorded the vocals on her track. I'm not making this up, there's actually legitimate information on this. I'm just too lazy to search for the source(s).

this song is Candy rehashed 17 years later........same music and everything.....that's what I mean by rip-off

Don't Stand Another Chance - Janet Jackson = Love Rush - Cheryl Lynn