Musicslave said:

BlackCat1985 said:

Musicslave said:

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Ciara just isn't on the same page with Beyonce vocally. Not saying Beyonce is Aretha or nothing but her chops are better than CiCi's. However, Beyonce wish she had the natural dancing ability that Ciara has. With that said, I agree about having the right team behind you. Janet's team up to the "All For You/Damita Jo" era was probably one of the tightest machines in the business back then. The whole shake up at Virgin and EMI played a large role in that too though.

Beyonce does have better vocal, but her songs aren't classic. Rihanna isn't a great vocalist, but I like a lot of her songs. And yeah that Virgin/EMI really messed things up for Janet. Especially when JD came into the picture.

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Rihanna isn't pretending to be the greatest artist of her generation either. That helps. I like her attitude towards music. She seems to be more free to explore whatever she wants and come off more authentic.

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Oh and JD was awful. He had the chance of a lifetime to produce for his dreamgirl and blew it. Ultimately you gotta blame Janet though. She signed off on everything. Technically she was the boss. Those early Virgin years ran like clockwork for her. From the production, promotions, marketing, touring, etc. everything just worked.

BlackCat1985 said:

mjscarousal said:

I agree I think they are all on the same level of talent. I dont think any of them are exceptionally talented in any area. Ciara is attractive, she can dance her voice has the old school Janet vibe and it sounds pretty to the ears. With the right team behind her, she could be just as big as them.

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Exactly! People love to drag her, but given the right people behind her. She could easily be as big as a Beyonce or a Rihanna. I suspect LA Reid saw that Janet angle in her. Its why he kept her around so long. She just doesn't have the right people.

Yep

Her latest album actually had a couple of Janet inspired songs that were actually pretty good. If that "Overdose" song was marketed right pshhhh...Chile that song would have been a hit!. She seems to have good work ethic too. Despite her shortcomings she pushed for her album anyway when people doubted her, I ain't mad at her.

paisleypark4 said:

"I kept it small and tight in terms of production.." then lists 3 producers and a couple more.

Girl stop

i said the same thing when i read that part. i bet she used about 6-8 producers and even more songwriters.

SoulAlive said:

Identity said:

She, unfortunately, comes across like a poor carbon copy of Beyonce.

she is a poor man's Beyonce.

Her career reminds me of Ashanti and Mya....a few hits at first,then quickly forgotten.

ashanti was actually huge in the early 00s, i had no idea she was billboard's female artist of the year back in 02.

mjscarousal said:

Musicslave said:

lowkey said:

lowkey said:

BlackCat1985 said:

BlackCat1985 said:

mjscarousal said:

Yep

Her latest album actually had a couple of Janet inspired songs that were actually pretty good. If that "Overdose" song was marketed right pshhhh...Chile that song would have been a hit!. She seems to have good work ethic too. Despite her shortcomings she pushed for her album anyway when people doubted her, I ain't mad at her.

Overdose should have been an easy #1 hit for her. I love that song!

Same! Sounds so Janet 80's inspired, I think thats why I love it

phunkdaddy said:

lowkey said:

SoulAlive said:

Identity said:

She, unfortunately, comes across like a poor carbon copy of Beyonce.

she is a poor man's Beyonce.

Her career reminds me of Ashanti and Mya....a few hits at first,then quickly forgotten.

ashanti was actually huge in the early 00s, i had no idea she was billboard's female artist of the year back in 02.

Yeah. I remember that year she won over Alicia Keys at the Soul Train Awards and
there was a big uproar among R&b fans. Now Alicia is getting some of that same
hate particularly here.

mjscarousal said:

phunkdaddy said:

BlackCat1985 said:

Overdose should have been an easy #1 hit for her. I love that song!

Co sign. That lousy track she did with Nikki Minaj killed the momentum that Body Party built up for her last album.

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I guess that what happens when you chase was trending. Kind of reminds me of that Adobe "Woo Woo" commercial...

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BlackCat1985 said:

phunkdaddy said:

Yeah. I remember that year she won over Alicia Keys at the Soul Train Awards and there was a big uproar among R&b fans. Now Alicia is getting some of that same hate particularly here.

Ashanti also won The Aretha Franklin award that year. After that a lot of people looked at The Soul Train Music Awards differently. Many felt it was way to early for her to be getting such an award. Especially since she had only been around for a hot minute. I to agreed with that. Speaking of Alicia she fell all the way off too. I thought she was on her way to being something of a Sade. But after the scandal around her husband a lot of her fans seemed to have turned their backs on her. I still like Alicia tho. She seems like a genuinely nice person. And she's talented!

but the aretha franklin award was for the female artist of the year, if she was the biggest female that year she deserved it.i think the lifetime award is named for lena horne.

i dont know why anybody puts nikki minaj on their song, she is terrible.

lowkey said:

BlackCat1985 said:

lowkey said:

but the aretha franklin award was for the female artist of the year, if she was the biggest female that year she deserved it.i think the lifetime award is named for lena horne.

Yeah! But when you think of someone receiving that type of award. You think of someone with great vocals and longevity. Two things Ashanti did not have. [Edited 3/7/15 14:46pm]

see i dont agree with that. i dont think an artist has to be blessed with a great voice in order to make good music. this seem to only apply to female artists and mainly black female artists. i can appreciate different types of voices long as it fits the style of music they are singing. i dont wanna hear ashanti or janet singing 'i will always love you', but i also dont wanna hear whitney singing 'anytime,anyplace'.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Your body is your best body of work.

True but I can't take black and brown sistas with blonde weaves. Trying to be something they're not, and it looks stupid

If I were her manager:

Because it seems so hard for her to get over nowadays, I'd have a two-year plan of bombarding the market with nothing but hit singles (her singles are good and tend to do well). Just do that and don't even focus on an album. I'd release about 6 singles.

Then after the two year blitz I'd heavily promote a Hits album of said singles plus about 5-6 bonus tracks. The intention being that these songs would've just been the completing of an initial full album.

I bet that album would sell. Or am I delusional?

CynicKill said:

Identity said:

Hell yeah CiCi. U do it baby.

Way to pop that coochie for me. Oops my bad.

I like this song. It's a nice mid tempo number.

This could do well for her.

phunkdaddy said:

I like this song. It's a nice mid tempo number.

This could do well for her.

You don't care about this song.You just want to sleep with her

At least be honest about it....LOL

Her post-baby body is unreal! So super yummy. But there is nothing that really distinguishes "I Bet" from any of the songs on urban radio.

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SoulAlive said:

On one hand, he says he’s been inspired by music from the past for his own work. On the other hand, JD said he wants to be credited for songs that have been influenced by his material. And he used Ciara’s “I Bet” as an example.

“Ciara’s new single is a complete rip-off of Usher’s ‘U Got It Bad.’ I’m clear on what I made and I’m clear on how music influences people and I’m clear on chord changes and how people move things,” Dupri said. “It might not be as evident as the ‘Blurred Lines’ situation, but I believe the same thing happened to me.”

But that’s not all. JD says “I Bet” also sounds similar to Tamia’s “Still,” which he worked on, as well.

Ugh my head hurts!

phunkdaddy said:

Jackie album cover.

“My Favorite Lp Artwork To Date!” she said.