Graycap23 said:

The Sex Pistols was a huge influence in the late 70's and beyond.

Unless someone is making electronic dance music, I wouldn't say Kraftwerk is that much of an influence. Acts in reggae, country, tejano, folk, blues, adult contemporary, metal, disco, bossa nova, Bollywood, Broadway, and other genres have done Beatles songs. But I don't think there's much country that's Kraftwerk style, unless you count Rednex. Some might say Giorgio Moroder had a more direct influence on American dance music in general than Kraftwerk, since Donna Summer was more popular in the US than Kraftwerk. Kraftwerk influenced new wave more though. Kraftwerk is mainly instrumental, and music with vocals are generally always more popular and have more reach.

namepeace said:

unique said:

what part don't you agree with? my statement was pretty vague so as to avoid anyone being able to disagree. the beatles have influenced all sorts of music from classical to jazz, hip hop to house. there are plenty of cover versions of beatles tracks in pretty much any style of music you can imagine. whilst i like kraftwerk and they were very influential too, they weren't anywhere near as influential as the beatles. how many classical or jazz albums have covers of kraftwerk tracks? how many of the great vocalists have covered kraftwerk tracks? you can people like elvis and frank sinatra cover beatles tracks. who are the biggest names in music that anyone can think of who covered kraftwerk? of those other bands mentioned in the quoted post above, all of them have been influenced by the beatles

There isn't a proposition on this earth that's disagreement-proof. And that's okay. There was merit to what you said, and I echoed what you said, but don't think their influence is as *pronounced* as it was in earlier decades, closer in time to the end of the Beatles era.

I never mentioned Kraftwerk.

if i said my favourite colour was purple, how could you disagree with that?

i never said, or suggested that their influence now is bigger or smaller than it was at any other point in time. i simply stated styles of music incluenced by them, and that the influence can still be heard now, and asked specifically what part of what i said does someone not agree with. is there any of the named styles of music that you think was not influenced by the beatles, or do you disagree that i hear the beatles influence in 2015?

some could say the beatles influence is stronger today than it was at any other point in time, as their influence was so great that people influenced by the beatles have made music to which others have been influenced by, and perhaps others who have been influenced by that music, so we are generations deep into the influence of the beatles. the basic chord structures and styles are still being used by all types of artists today. kraftwerk on the other hand won't have anything like the same amount of influence on classical or jazz music, or on lyricists

Graycap23 said:

KingSausage said:

Graycap23 said: It's one of those things that doesn't depend on belief or buy-in, like the earth being round. That being said, let's give some love to Chuck Berry. All roads Beatles and Stones initially came through Chuck Berryland. Chuck is the fucking bomb.

Apparently not my ears either.

Heres a question...

What Beatles have you listened to?

Graycap23 said:

namepeace said:

There isn't a proposition on this earth that's disagreement-proof. And that's okay. There was merit to what you said, and I echoed what you said, but don't think their influence is as *pronounced* as it was in earlier decades, closer in time to the end of the Beatles era.

I never mentioned Kraftwerk.

I've just never bought into the Beatles hype. I still don't.

i thought your thread was about the influence, not the hype?

you don't need to buy into hype to like the music though. are you suggesting you don't get the beatles music? if so then it might explain a few things. but you don't need to like something in order to determine which has the most influence. scientists have made many studies for years on things that have influence, such as the effects of global environmental change. they don't necesarily think man made climate change is a good thing, but they can measure the effects that certain things have on it. looking at things impartially is usually the best way to study something, but many people aren't great at doing so and can't take a step back and measure and judge things to which they have a personal preferance. i like both the beatles and kraftwerk as i do many bands and artists. it makes no difference to me which act sells the most of which is most popular, or which is least popular. i either enjoy the music and work or i don't, and that's the most important thing to me. i don't care if prince is the biggest or best or whatever, it's all about me and if i enjoy it or not. personally i prefer it when prince is less popular as if he was as popular as madonna or michael jackson i doubt i'd get to see him play tiny places like ronnie scotts and cafe de paris twice and be front row. it doesn't matter how great i think a track like computer blue is, if other people don't like it then it doesn't mean mushc

the beatles were probably the most influential act in music of all time, influencing most styles of music in one way or another. krafwerk are very influential act too, but on a much lesser basis, and more limited to certain styles of music instead of across the board, with electronic music such as house and techno being by far the most influenced. they may be far more underrated in regards to the influence they have, and the general awareness and popularity by the general public, compared to the global awareness and popularity of the beatles, but it doesn't make them overall more influential

TommorowNeverKnows said:

Graycap23 said:

Apparently not my ears either.

Heres a question...

What Beatles have you listened to?

I own all of their material.

unique said:

Graycap23 said:

I've just never bought into the Beatles hype. I still don't.

i thought your thread was about the influence, not the hype?

you don't need to buy into hype to like the music though. are you suggesting you don't get the beatles music? if so then it might explain a few things. but you don't need to like something in order to determine which has the most influence. scientists have made many studies for years on things that have influence, such as the effects of global environmental change. they don't necesarily think man made climate change is a good thing, but they can measure the effects that certain things have on it. looking at things impartially is usually the best way to study something, but many people aren't great at doing so and can't take a step back and measure and judge things to which they have a personal preferance. i like both the beatles and kraftwerk as i do many bands and artists. it makes no difference to me which act sells the most of which is most popular, or which is least popular. i either enjoy the music and work or i don't, and that's the most important thing to me. i don't care if prince is the biggest or best or whatever, it's all about me and if i enjoy it or not. personally i prefer it when prince is less popular as if he was as popular as madonna or michael jackson i doubt i'd get to see him play tiny places like ronnie scotts and cafe de paris twice and be front row. it doesn't matter how great i think a track like computer blue is, if other people don't like it then it doesn't mean mushc

the beatles were probably the most influential act in music of all time, influencing most styles of music in one way or another. krafwerk are very influential act too, but on a much lesser basis, and more limited to certain styles of music instead of across the board, with electronic music such as house and techno being by far the most influenced. they may be far more underrated in regards to the influence they have, and the general awareness and popularity by the general public, compared to the global awareness and popularity of the beatles, but it doesn't make them overall more influential

My point is, the Beatles get credit 4 things that I don't believe they actually did. I guess I will have 2 take u guys words 4 the influence that u say they had. I don't see it or hear it in records.

Graycap23 said:

TommorowNeverKnows said:

Heres a question...

What Beatles have you listened to?

I own all of their material.

If you don't like them, why do you own all their material?

Nonetheless its a huge discography.

What of that material, you own, did you listen too?

TommorowNeverKnows said:

Graycap23 said:

I own all of their material.

If you don't like them, why do you own all their material?

Nonetheless its a huge discography.

What of that material, you own, did you listen too?

I've never stated that I don't like them, but they are overrated in every way possible.

Graycap23 said:

unique said:

i thought your thread was about the influence, not the hype?

you don't need to buy into hype to like the music though. are you suggesting you don't get the beatles music? if so then it might explain a few things. but you don't need to like something in order to determine which has the most influence. scientists have made many studies for years on things that have influence, such as the effects of global environmental change. they don't necesarily think man made climate change is a good thing, but they can measure the effects that certain things have on it. looking at things impartially is usually the best way to study something, but many people aren't great at doing so and can't take a step back and measure and judge things to which they have a personal preferance. i like both the beatles and kraftwerk as i do many bands and artists. it makes no difference to me which act sells the most of which is most popular, or which is least popular. i either enjoy the music and work or i don't, and that's the most important thing to me. i don't care if prince is the biggest or best or whatever, it's all about me and if i enjoy it or not. personally i prefer it when prince is less popular as if he was as popular as madonna or michael jackson i doubt i'd get to see him play tiny places like ronnie scotts and cafe de paris twice and be front row. it doesn't matter how great i think a track like computer blue is, if other people don't like it then it doesn't mean mushc

the beatles were probably the most influential act in music of all time, influencing most styles of music in one way or another. krafwerk are very influential act too, but on a much lesser basis, and more limited to certain styles of music instead of across the board, with electronic music such as house and techno being by far the most influenced. they may be far more underrated in regards to the influence they have, and the general awareness and popularity by the general public, compared to the global awareness and popularity of the beatles, but it doesn't make them overall more influential

My point is, the Beatles get credit 4 things that I don't believe they actually did. I guess I will have 2 take u guys words 4 the influence that u say they had. I don't see it or hear it in records.

but your thread topic is "what group from europe influenced music the most"?

so excluding things that they were credited for that you don't think they did, and doing the same for kraftwerk and everyone else, what is your answer to the question? do you really think kraftwerk influenced music more than the beatles?

perhaps you do see and hear the beatles influence in music today, but you just don't realise it

unique said:

Graycap23 said:

My point is, the Beatles get credit 4 things that I don't believe they actually did. I guess I will have 2 take u guys words 4 the influence that u say they had. I don't see it or hear it in records.

but your thread topic is "what group from europe influenced music the most"?

so excluding things that they were credited for that you don't think they did, and doing the same for kraftwerk and everyone else, what is your answer to the question? do you really think kraftwerk influenced music more than the beatles?

perhaps you do see and hear the beatles influence in music today, but you just don't realise it

When I listen with my ears, I simply don't hear it.

From my standpoint, I hear more Kraftwork influence. Just 2 weeks ago during the Super Bowl, Missy E was staeling the halftime show.........with Kraftwerk beats.

Graycap23 said:

unique said:

but your thread topic is "what group from europe influenced music the most"?

so excluding things that they were credited for that you don't think they did, and doing the same for kraftwerk and everyone else, what is your answer to the question? do you really think kraftwerk influenced music more than the beatles?

perhaps you do see and hear the beatles influence in music today, but you just don't realise it

When I listen with my ears, I simply don't hear it.

From my standpoint, I hear more Kraftwork influence. Just 2 weeks ago during the Super Bowl, Missy E was staeling the halftime show.........with Kraftwerk beats.

just because you don't hear it, or at least don't think you hear it, doesn't mean it's not around. it depends on what music you listen to, how much and how varied. i listen to a huge amount of music from a wide range of styles and hear far more beatles influences than kraftwerk, and have done through the years. even when djing house and dance music there were most obvious beatles references than kraftwerk, and the same with hip hop. hip hop is typically more influenced by jazz, rnb, soul and funk music than electronic acts like kraftwerk. for every track like planet rock you will get something like the white album by jay-z and dangermouse where the whole album is mashedup with backing by the beatles, or lyrics that reference the beatles and/or their lyrics, such as the show by doug e fresh. stick "sings the beatles" into google and you'll find albums from all sorts of artists from mowtown to glee. i don't think there's a glee kraftwerk episode or motown kraftwerk cover album. how many kraftwerk tracks are on shows like american idol or the voice or americas got talent? a year ago there was a big beatles tribute on US tv with all sorts of artists, and there's been plenty of similar tv shows in praise of the bealtes over the years. but how many kraftwerk tribute shows have there been, with others playing the music of kraftwerk?

http://tasteofcountry.com/brad-paisley-keith-urban-beatles-tribute/

unique said:

Graycap23 said:

When I listen with my ears, I simply don't hear it.

From my standpoint, I hear more Kraftwork influence. Just 2 weeks ago during the Super Bowl, Missy E was staeling the halftime show.........with Kraftwerk beats.

just because you don't hear it, or at least don't think you hear it, doesn't mean it's not around. it depends on what music you listen to, how much and how varied. i listen to a huge amount of music from a wide range of styles and hear far more beatles influences than kraftwerk, and have done through the years. even when djing house and dance music there were most obvious beatles references than kraftwerk, and the same with hip hop. hip hop is typically more influenced by jazz, rnb, soul and funk music than electronic acts like kraftwerk. for every track like planet rock you will get something like the white album by jay-z and dangermouse where the whole album is mashedup with backing by the beatles, or lyrics that reference the beatles and/or their lyrics, such as the show by doug e fresh. stick "sings the beatles" into google and you'll find albums from all sorts of artists from mowtown to glee. i don't think there's a glee kraftwerk episode or motown kraftwerk cover album. how many kraftwerk tracks are on shows like american idol or the voice or americas got talent? a year ago there was a big beatles tribute on US tv with all sorts of artists, and there's been plenty of similar tv shows in praise of the bealtes over the years. but how many kraftwerk tribute shows have there been, with others playing the music of kraftwerk?

http://tasteofcountry.com/brad-paisley-keith-urban-beatles-tribute/

I dig that, point taken.

Missy E is a good example of someone who has utilized Kraftwerk on a regular basis.

U are never going 2 hear any one singing Kraftwerk on a show like idol. They don't sing, so it is a bad comparison. I get your point though.

if we're including the U.K., then this thread is pretty much THE BEATLES and

Graycap23 said:

TommorowNeverKnows said:

If you don't like them, why do you own all their material?

Nonetheless its a huge discography.

What of that material, you own, did you listen too?

I've never stated that I don't like them, but they are overrated in every way possible.

I'm not buying it dude.

Overrated in what sense?

What was overrated?

I'm not trying to patronise you or anything, i just don't get what your saying.

You're saying you like the Beatles, but they're overrated. Which is fair.

But how?

My best friend hates the Beatles, (he's a metal head) but even he knows theres no denying the influence.

I get you don't dig the music that much, but could you wax a little more message onto why?

Cause pretty much more than half the posters on this thread are hearing what you can't hear.

We probably wont be able to convince you, but it'd be nice to know your side of it.

TommorowNeverKnows said:

Graycap23 said:

I've never stated that I don't like them, but they are overrated in every way possible.

I'm not buying it dude.

Overrated in what sense?

What was overrated?

I'm not trying to patronise you or anything, i just don't get what your saying.

You're saying you like the Beatles, but they're overrated. Which is fair.

But how?

My best friend hates the Beatles, (he's a metal head) but even he knows theres no denying the influence.

I get you don't dig the music that much, but could you wax a little more message onto why?

Cause pretty much more than half the posters on this thread are hearing what you can't hear.

We probably wont be able to convince you, but it'd be nice to know your side of it.

Example: Folks are always saying how the Beatles created those great harmonies. Maybe they had some decent harmonies but the Everly Brothers were doing it years before anyone ever heard of the Beatles yet they get the "credit" for it.

As far as why I don't get it? When I listen 2 music from any artist..........I listen 4 the moment when the music makes me "feel" something. The Beatles music 4 me at least, is completely lifeless and doesn't make me feel anything....other than wanting 2 turn it off.

The Beatles?

I cant say I have ever listened to one of thier albums and what I've heard on the radio is- meh.

.

personally speaking...

I Tracey Thorn's and Sade Adu's voices.

And some others I have enjoyed;

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Graycap23 said:

unique said:

just because you don't hear it, or at least don't think you hear it, doesn't mean it's not around. it depends on what music you listen to, how much and how varied. i listen to a huge amount of music from a wide range of styles and hear far more beatles influences than kraftwerk, and have done through the years. even when djing house and dance music there were most obvious beatles references than kraftwerk, and the same with hip hop. hip hop is typically more influenced by jazz, rnb, soul and funk music than electronic acts like kraftwerk. for every track like planet rock you will get something like the white album by jay-z and dangermouse where the whole album is mashedup with backing by the beatles, or lyrics that reference the beatles and/or their lyrics, such as the show by doug e fresh. stick "sings the beatles" into google and you'll find albums from all sorts of artists from mowtown to glee. i don't think there's a glee kraftwerk episode or motown kraftwerk cover album. how many kraftwerk tracks are on shows like american idol or the voice or americas got talent? a year ago there was a big beatles tribute on US tv with all sorts of artists, and there's been plenty of similar tv shows in praise of the bealtes over the years. but how many kraftwerk tribute shows have there been, with others playing the music of kraftwerk?

http://tasteofcountry.com/brad-paisley-keith-urban-beatles-tribute/

I dig that, point taken.

Missy E is a good example of someone who has utilized Kraftwerk on a regular basis.

U are never going 2 hear any one singing Kraftwerk on a show like idol. They don't sing, so it is a bad comparison. I get your point though.

kraftwerk sing. they have songs with lyrics and in the studio or live onstage with ralf hutter as the lead singer

unique said:

Graycap23 said:

I dig that, point taken.

Missy E is a good example of someone who has utilized Kraftwerk on a regular basis.

U are never going 2 hear any one singing Kraftwerk on a show like idol. They don't sing, so it is a bad comparison. I get your point though.

kraftwerk sing. they have songs with lyrics and in the studio or live onstage with ralf hutter as the lead singer

lol...........

this European group may have not been the most influential,

but man, they were good

TEARS FOR FEARS.....they made some damn good music

I was always a fan of them

Scorp said:

this European group may have not been the most influential,

but man, they were good

TEARS FOR FEARS.....they made some damn good music

I was always a fan of them

Loved those guys.........

Tears For Fears had some Beatles influence, especially Sowing The Seeds Of Love. The first album The Hurting might be more Kraftwerk though.

Gregorian Chant - Developed by the Roman Catholic Church, mainly in western and central Europe during the 9th and 10th centuries. It's origins date back to 70 AD with the Jewish religion but the Gregorian melodies of the 9th and 10th centuries are traditionally written using neumes, an early form of musical notation from which the modern four-line and five-line staff developed. Multi-voice elaborations of Gregorian chant, known as organum, were an early stage in the development of Western polyphony.

unique said:

namepeace said:

There isn't a proposition on this earth that's disagreement-proof. And that's okay. There was merit to what you said, and I echoed what you said, but don't think their influence is as *pronounced* as it was in earlier decades, closer in time to the end of the Beatles era.

I never mentioned Kraftwerk.

if i said my favourite colour was purple, how could you disagree with that?

I see the prose you've written is focused on my use of the word "agree." IF you say, "my favorite color is purple," that's a preference. If you're talking about a shade of purple you SEE in any given image, that's a perception.

There is a difference between stating a preference for subject matter and a perception about subject matter. It may not possible for me to agree on your preference, though I may be able to say whether my preference is the same. But as to a perception regarding the same subject matter, there may be disagreement in whole, or in part.

If you say you prefer the Beatles, that's a preference. If you say you hear the Beatles influence in today's music, that's a perception. You said the latter, not the former.

Got it now?

i never said, or suggested that their influence now is bigger or smaller than it was at any other point in time. i simply stated styles of music incluenced by them, and that the influence can still be heard now, and asked specifically what part of what i said does someone not agree with. is there any of the named styles of music that you think was not influenced by the beatles, or do you disagree that i hear the beatles influence in 2015?

Re-read my 2nd response. You gave your perception regarding the Beatles' influence today. My perception aligned with yours, to an extent. I simply simply said the influence is not as pronounced in music in 2015 as it was in 1985 or 1990. You did see that, right? Maybe not, given your inscrutable focus on the word "agree" (see above).

some could say the beatles influence is stronger today than it was at any other point in time, as their influence was so great that people influenced by the beatles have made music to which others have been influenced by, and perhaps others who have been influenced by that music, so we are generations deep into the influence of the beatles. the basic chord structures and styles are still being used by all types of artists today. kraftwerk on the other hand won't have anything like the same amount of influence on classical or jazz music, or on lyricists

And some could say the influence is there, just not as pronounced, insofar as it passes on to 21st century artists through prior acts from the 70's, 80's and 90's whom the Beatles who nevertheless had their distinct sounds of their own. And would not both sides agree on the premise that the Beatles' influence endures today?

And again you mention Kraftwerk when my initial post did not. Why keep bringing them into this discussion?

The general stance seems 2 be, "Give me the Beatles...........or give me death".

Lol.............

SuperSoulFighter said:

Hey, even George Clinton expressed his admiration for the Fab Four.

U want 2 kill your career? Publicly start slamming other artists.

Especially Icons.

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