NaughtyKitty said:

Scorp said:

that Pepsi accident DID NOT lead to reliance to painkillers.....they are trying to sell that narrative now to obscure what really happened to him and why he started taking them

when the accident happened, after having the skin graft operation to the back of his scalp, his primary plastic surgeon issued a press release indicating under no circumstances would MJ rely on any type of pain medication during his recovery

by the time the Victory Tour started, he was good to go and didn't miss a beat

I wish we can get the truth for once by those in position to writing about his career

but as the saying goes, truth is stranger than fiction

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much peace

NaughtyKitty said:

dublinproud said:

Thought i'd post this for those who havent seen it. Amazing footage in my opinion

www.youtube.com/watch?v=376dwWEyq6E&list=LL7VyWlioOOxtBNjZj1AYqpg&index=2)

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Wow this is great footage! Thanks for posting!

Billie Jean music video outtakes

Thanks for fixing the link

Dilan said:

getfunked said:

IIRC, this was the kind of thing Prince pitched to him in 2006 as well.

Do you have any evidence for that? I just find it general over the years a couple of rumours about Prince and MJ conversations but I can't find any evidence for any of it. The only meetings really known are MJ visiting prince on the purple rain tour, latoya inviting him for dinner with mj and when prince came to NY to visit MJ at the hits factory where he was recording history. Another rumour was that in 2007 MJ called him for advice on a comeback but again there is nothing to say this is true.

Just re-reading that article again - can't help but compare it to This Is It in terms of what they were trying to achieve in a short space of time and that the show wasn't ready to go e.g. if it went ahead they would not have done the new version of Dangerous. I'd never heard anything before though about the collapse being staged, it also mentions that this was captured in the rehearsal footage, which sadly was lost. Wonder if any of the mixes will ever be found. The Dangerous 'Clockwork Orange' one sounds amazing, especially as it says it was more stripped back than the version from 1999

Glascutter said:

Dilan said:

Do you have any evidence for that? I just find it general over the years a couple of rumours about Prince and MJ conversations but I can't find any evidence for any of it. The only meetings really known are MJ visiting prince on the purple rain tour, latoya inviting him for dinner with mj and when prince came to NY to visit MJ at the hits factory where he was recording history. Another rumour was that in 2007 MJ called him for advice on a comeback but again there is nothing to say this is true.

Just re-reading that article again - can't help but compare it to This Is It in terms of what they were trying to achieve in a short space of time and that the show wasn't ready to go e.g. if it went ahead they would not have done the new version of Dangerous. I'd never heard anything before though about the collapse being staged, it also mentions that this was captured in the rehearsal footage, which sadly was lost. Wonder if any of the mixes will ever be found. The Dangerous 'Clockwork Orange' one sounds amazing, especially as it says it was more stripped back than the version from 1999

As I recall of the article the footage seemed lost because "when you give something to michael you never see it again" not that it was actually lost. When Paul McCartney told Michael what he regrets most is not filming all the priceless moments when on tour with the beatles if that hit him hard enough to continue having his own personal filming team for another 30 odd years it's safe to say MJ was in possession of all these things over the years he just didn't organise it. it's like how that 2003 neverland raid all the sheriffs said it was so messy and he had thousands of fan mail just stacked on his desk and all over the floor. What is more stripped back about 1999 dangerous? I don't recall much of a difference when I watched it ages ago.

I really appreciate how MJ archived all of these things, im sure he thought about his posthumous legacy when doing so aswell. Their will be so much material and it was last longer then Elvis' 40 year running FTD label. Amazingly, it will also mean tabloid rumours will be destroyed about him being a bad father with recorded evidence. eg that video from a few months ago that came out of MJ and kids at xmas.

Dilan said:

Glascutter said:

Just re-reading that article again - can't help but compare it to This Is It in terms of what they were trying to achieve in a short space of time and that the show wasn't ready to go e.g. if it went ahead they would not have done the new version of Dangerous. I'd never heard anything before though about the collapse being staged, it also mentions that this was captured in the rehearsal footage, which sadly was lost. Wonder if any of the mixes will ever be found. The Dangerous 'Clockwork Orange' one sounds amazing, especially as it says it was more stripped back than the version from 1999

As I recall of the article the footage seemed lost because "when you give something to michael you never see it again" not that it was actually lost. When Paul McCartney told Michael what he regrets most is not filming all the priceless moments when on tour with the beatles if that hit him hard enough to continue having his own personal filming team for another 30 odd years it's safe to say MJ was in possession of all these things over the years he just didn't organise it. it's like how that 2003 neverland raid all the sheriffs said it was so messy and he had thousands of fan mail just stacked on his desk and all over the floor. What is more stripped back about 1999 dangerous? I don't recall much of a difference when I watched it ages ago.

I really appreciate how MJ archived all of these things, im sure he thought about his posthumous legacy when doing so aswell. Their will be so much material and it was last longer then Elvis' 40 year running FTD label. Amazingly, it will also mean tabloid rumours will be destroyed about him being a bad father with recorded evidence. eg that video from a few months ago that came out of MJ and kids at xmas.

I wonder where all of that footage is now, and the mixes too - does the Estate have it all or has some of it found its way to private collectors.

About the Dangerous performance, I think the article mentioned that the Clockwork Orange version was even more stripped back than the version he performed in 1999, so it would have had a different mix and choreography at the start. Can't remember what the article said about how far it got and whether they actually rehearsed it or not.

Would have been cool to see a different version of Billie Jean too, which was in the works for that show.

Glascutter said:

Dilan said:

As I recall of the article the footage seemed lost because "when you give something to michael you never see it again" not that it was actually lost. When Paul McCartney told Michael what he regrets most is not filming all the priceless moments when on tour with the beatles if that hit him hard enough to continue having his own personal filming team for another 30 odd years it's safe to say MJ was in possession of all these things over the years he just didn't organise it. it's like how that 2003 neverland raid all the sheriffs said it was so messy and he had thousands of fan mail just stacked on his desk and all over the floor. What is more stripped back about 1999 dangerous? I don't recall much of a difference when I watched it ages ago.

I really appreciate how MJ archived all of these things, im sure he thought about his posthumous legacy when doing so aswell. Their will be so much material and it was last longer then Elvis' 40 year running FTD label. Amazingly, it will also mean tabloid rumours will be destroyed about him being a bad father with recorded evidence. eg that video from a few months ago that came out of MJ and kids at xmas.

I wonder where all of that footage is now, and the mixes too - does the Estate have it all or has some of it found its way to private collectors.

About the Dangerous performance, I think the article mentioned that the Clockwork Orange version was even more stripped back than the version he performed in 1999, so it would have had a different mix and choreography at the start. Can't remember what the article said about how far it got and whether they actually rehearsed it or not.

Would have been cool to see a different version of Billie Jean too, which was in the works for that show.

It is in possession of the estate if MJ owned it now the estate do. What I find quite interesting about private collectors is how things came into their hands. Someone on MJJC was telling me about how the guy who recorded the 'brace yourself' advert in the early ninties for one of MJs tours was given access to all of MJs archived tour recordings to choose the best footage for the advert. Out of this relationship trust was developed and the guy was called back numerous times over the years for different projects with complete access to the vault. He kept his duplicate copies of recordings, passed some to his friends and eventually it all trickled down to private collectors.

Kenny Ortega had said in a quote that MJ was unhappy with Thriller, BJ reloaded etc so he forced himself to collapse and not re-schedule.

http://www.mtv.com/news/1614845/michael-jacksons-family-tree-janet-rebbie-marlon-and-more/

here goes a perfect example how commercial media really didn't know the history of the Jackson family contribution until way after THRILLER...

the person who wrote this article said Marlon Jackson was the "guitarist" for the group........lolllllll

that actually made me laugh......over 45 years of history and the person who pinned this article couldn't even get that right....

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http://www.mtv.com/photos/michael-jackson-a-life-in-photos/1614745/4003957/photo/

here's another example

the guy says this picture of MJ and Janet was taken in 1995 at the MTV Video Music Awards

but the fact is this picture was taken of them in 1993 at that year's Grammy's when she presented him with the Legends Award

this shows how the wrong people have been given the platform to tell the story of MJ's career and have been in that position for a very long time

So, I haven't asked this in a long time, but does anyone have a list of songs they know exist that MJ recorded and that haven't been released yet? There must be more than this...

Scorp said:

http://www.mtv.com/photos/michael-jackson-a-life-in-photos/1614745/4003957/photo/

here's another example

the guy says this picture of MJ and Janet was taken in 1995 at the MTV Video Music Awards

but the fact is this picture was taken of them in 1993 at that year's Grammy's when she presented him with the Legends Award

this shows how the wrong people have been given the platform to tell the story of MJ's career and have been in that position for a very long time

Such a shame, likewise for the comment about marlon on guitar. Journalism has become a lazy field and you would think with the world at our fingertips in this day and age, people would not misuse or appropriate information.

alphastreet said:

Scorp said:

http://www.mtv.com/photos/michael-jackson-a-life-in-photos/1614745/4003957/photo/

here's another example

the guy says this picture of MJ and Janet was taken in 1995 at the MTV Video Music Awards

but the fact is this picture was taken of them in 1993 at that year's Grammy's when she presented him with the Legends Award

this shows how the wrong people have been given the platform to tell the story of MJ's career and have been in that position for a very long time

Such a shame, likewise for the comment about marlon on guitar. Journalism has become a lazy field and you would think with the world at our fingertips in this day and age, people would not misuse or appropriate information.

very true

It puts to light why "king of pop" era mj put it all out there in home videos what took place when, and kept reminding us of accomplishments, same with janet era after era. They knew.

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dublinproud said:

NaughtyKitty said:

Wow this is great footage! Thanks for posting!

Billie Jean music video outtakes

Thanks for fixing the link

You know not so long ago I was thinking about how much I would like to see the uncut footage of MJs dance sequence in the Billie Jean video. This was the first and last time where the director and editor of his videos would put his dancing secondary to their camera tricks...great share dublinproud.

The Turth Behind the Origin of MJs battle with Painkillers

I just edited my previous post but since it was more than a week ago, I will post the fixed link here again. The part where Karen Faye speaks about MJ and the start of his problems with Painkillers starts around the 5:30 mark (5 minutes and 30 secs). You would think this would have been put to bed by now since so many have said that there was no drugs during Victory (family members etc) or Bad Tours (Frank Dileo).

Thanks for catching the original post Scorp. I think it is another strange 'error" which caused the "misunderstanding". MJs surgery in 1993 was said to be to reduce scarring caused by the Pepsi burn and also to hopefully aid in his hair growing back.In 1993, it was reported , by MJs OWN CAMP that the reason for the painkillers was for the burns resulting from the Pepsi accident. Overtime, the fact that the surgery was nine years after the initial burn seemed to have fallen by the wayside and replaced with the erroneous assumption that the use of painkillers was ongoing since 1984.

They released this bit of information right around the time that it was widely reported that Elizabeth Taylor had staged an intervention and very shortly after Pepsi had dumped MJ because of the Jordan chandler allegations. Tieing it to Pepsi was genius should he decide to sue them for breach of contract. So the reports really are half-true.

EDit: Because the more I think of it the complicating 1993 surgery was reported.l

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These two are truly hilarious abominations -

This one is just so wrong yet grotesquely, surreally funny

This one is truly horrific and imo says more about whoever created it than MJ himself.

Miles said:

purplethunder3121 said:

So, I haven't asked this in a long time, but does anyone have a list of songs they know exist that MJ recorded and that haven't been released yet? There must be more than this...

What do you mean "there must be more than this"? Of course everything released so far isn't everything that would be suicide for the estate. That were as a good list on MJJC of every song known with evidence. Unlike the wiki page which is full of false rumoured songs. I'll see if I can find it

DonRants said:

The Turth Behind the Origin of MJs battle with Painkillers

I just edited my previous post but since it was more than a week ago, I will post the fixed link here again. The part where Karen Faye speaks about MJ and the start of his problems with Painkillers starts around the 5:30 mark (5 minutes and 30 secs). You would think this would have been put to bed by now since so many have said that there was no drugs during Victory (family members etc) or Bad Tours (Frank Dileo).

Thanks for catching the original post Scorp. I think it is another strange 'error" which caused the "misunderstanding". MJs surgery in 1993 was said to be to reduce scarring caused by the Pepsi burn and also to hopefully aid in his hair growing back.In 1993, it was reported , by MJs OWN CAMP that the reason for the painkillers was for the burns resulting from the Pepsi accident. Overtime, the fact that the surgery was nine years after the initial burn seemed to have fallen by the wayside and replaced with the erroneous assumption that the use of painkillers was ongoing since 1984.

They released this bit of information right around the time that it was widely reported that Elizabeth Taylor had staged an intervention and very shortly after Pepsi had dumped MJ because of the Jordan chandler allegations. Tieing it to Pepsi was genius should he decide to sue them for breach of contract. So the reports really are half-true.

EDit: Because the more I think of it the complicating 1993 surgery was reported.l

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exactly, this is why its' hard to decipher fact from fiction when it comes to Michael Jackson's career in the last 27 years, not regarding his music, but regarding his evolving image

because the image itself cultivates "half-truths" so what happens is that to try and reason why certain events of MJ's career took place during the years of his superficial image, commercial media, and members of MJ's camp back in the 90s attempt to associate those events to when MJ's career and life was most authentic........and now, commercial media has taken it a step further by saying the Pepsi Burn is what led to MJ acquiring vitiligo....when MJ said himself during the Oprah interview that he acquired it during OFF THE WALL (1979-1981) then THRILLER (1982 up unto the Pepsi Commercial) in 1984....so that would mean if he acquired it in 1979, that's almost 5 years before the Pepsi accident even occurred....

so as of 2015, the Pepsi accident is being identified as the cause of both circumstances

but the "half-truths" originate from the source himself.......

when MJ gave that interview in response to the allegations of 1993, he said himself at the beginning of his statement that he was using painkillers to recover from recently reconstructive surgery of his scalp

It was vague, because he didn't indicate the reason why he had to have reconstructive surgery

MJ's camp took that ran with it (in this instance, they may have even encouraged him to give this explanation), and soon followed by saying he did so in relation to what happened 9 years prior

but then one of his publicists said he started using them to deal w/the stress of what was going on that threw the initial assertion off whack, which could have drove his camp to really push the notion the Pepsi Burn caused the problem

so him saying he having reconstructive surgery led to a series of half-truths which even Karen Faye (who was a very loyal associate of MJ) upholds, because she took what MJ stated and continued to promote that as true....realizing she got caught up and associate w/what happened with MJ over time....so you have all sides tellin half-truths in regards to whether or not the Pepsi Burn caused the reliance on painkillers

what I'm saying is, MJ's camp asserted the Pepsi Burn caused the reliance to conceal the absolute truth why he started using them

and Karen Faye did the same but through different context, she states the Pepsi Burn did not cause the reliance...not for truth's sake, but to conceal the absolute truth, to do that, she had to say MJ started using it in 1993 as a result of scarring from "recent reconstructive surgery"...in response to what MJ said

so she reject the notion about the Pepsi Accident causing the problem to support MJ's asssertion in his statement he started using them to address pain from scarring

see where I'm getting at.........what I'm saying is.....nobody, MJ, MJ's camp, or Karen Faye, wanted to share the absolute truth about what actually originated the beginning of his reliance on painkillers...

this is where the media manipulation comes into play starting from the source himself and how MJ became the greatest media manipulator of all time (because of his stature), in order to uphold the image he wanted to project after reaching the career pinnacle

this is where we all need to peel all the layers away and when we do, then will discover the truth ourselves

Michael Jackson didn't start using painkillers due to the Pepsi accident or because of a supposed "reconstructive surgery on his scalp".....those should be categorized as "half-truths" since he did acknowledge he used them.

that leaves only one other answer regarding any type of surgery in relation to what we witnessed taking place with MJ

the real reason why he started using painkillers?

To recover from, an attempt to heal from all of the untold plastic surgery procedures he underwent over that 9 year period from the point of reaching his career pinnacle up unto 1993 that began to take its toll on him, the human toll......

around the period of MJ's statement, late 1992 or early 1993, his primary plastic surgeon issued a press statement of his own advising MJ to have no more surgeries because he knew things got way outta hand and went extreme and he also advised other surgeons to refrain from doing so, mainly here in the united states

and that pretty much falls in line because in MJ's statement, he said he was "out of the country" during the time of having "reconstrutive surgery"....and whatever that surgery was stood as an attempt to correct damage already done or one that caused further damage

think about it, if the statement was intended to address another situation, why did he feel the need to bring up the subject of reconstructive surgery and painkillers in the first place...

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^^Well, what I'm seeing is that you again make up your own stories, based on your own assumptions, without any piece of evidence and that you're accusing everyone else associated with Michael and actually having inside information, as being liars.

How hard is it to believe that in '93 he got subscribed painkillers to help him dealing with the aftermath of his reconstructive surgery and through the added stress of being accused as a pedophile and still having to get on a stage every night he continued to use those painkillers, probably took more of it than he should and became addicted by it?? Which basically is what he himself said.

PatrickS77 said:

^^Well, what I'm seeing is that you again make up your own stories, based on your own assumptions, without any piece of evidence and that you're accusing everyone else associated with Michael and actually having inside information, as being liars.

How hard is it to believe that in '93 he got subscribed painkillers to help him dealing with the aftermath of his reconstructive surgery and through the added stress of being accused as a pedophile and still having to get on a stage every night he continued to use those painkillers, probably took more of it than he should and became addicted by it?? Which basically is what he himself said.

I would expect that answer sir.........

do you believe the Pepsi Accident caused the situation?

Hmm, what situation?? That restructive surgery on his scalp was needed? That he came into a situation where he was given painkillers? That he was addicted to painkillers since that accident? I don't know which situation you mean. But if you ask me if I think that he was addicted to painkillers since that accident, I have to say, no. I don't. I don't have reason to not believe what he says. But then again, I don't have any way to know. It's just what I believe. I obviously don't know.

PatrickS77 said:

Hmm, what situation?? That restructive surgery on his scalp was needed? That he came into a situation where he was given painkillers? That he was addicted to painkillers since that accident? I don't know which situation you mean. But if you ask me if I think that he was addicted to painkillers since that accident, I have to say, no. I don't. I don't have reason to not believe what he says. But then again, I don't have any way to know. It's just what I believe. I obviously don't know.

let me ask for a second time sir....

as today's mainstream media has suggested, did the Pepsi accident of 1984 lead MJ to start relying on painkillers

PatrickS77 said:

PatrickS77 said:

Free2BMe said:

PatrickS77 said:

^^Well, what I'm seeing is that you again make up your own stories, based on your own assumptions, without any piece of evidence and that you're accusing everyone else associated with Michael and actually having inside information, as being liars.

How hard is it to believe that in '93 he got subscribed painkillers to help him dealing with the aftermath of his reconstructive surgery and through the added stress of being accused as a pedophile and still having to get on a stage every night he continued to use those painkillers, probably took more of it than he should and became addicted by it?? Which basically is what he himself said.

Patrick, Thank you for your response.You echo my sentiments exactly. It seems that Scorp is ALWAYS trying to inject HIS version of things in an attempt to portray Michael in a negative light. I know that I'm not the only one who notices that Scorp does NOT do any other Jackson family member that way. In fact, Scorp does everything in his power to defend everything that family does except for one person- Michael. Of course Scorp uses the guise that he is a fan, while slyly sticking a knife in Michael's back. I have always thought that Scorp has an agenda and my mind has not changed.

as usual, u show an agenda trying to prove I have an agenda when in fact I have zero agenda because

1.) all I ever did was buy the records of MJ or anyone else whose music I enjoyed regardless of the person's color, race, creed, nationality, or gender

2.) as far as the Jackson family and your perceived notion that I put them on pedastals, they don't know me from a hole in the ground

3.) MJ is going to be discussed more by the world from the family because he was the most successful member. if that would have been anyone else in the family, that person would be the most discussed

this ain't about my version......I don't have a version

the problem, the REAL problem is as of 2015, it's actually COMMERCIAL MEDIA and those who have the insatiable need to uphold the false image by tagging a circumstance to the period of MJ'S career that was most authentic

as you and the other person chose no to answer and it's a simple one

did the Pepsi Accident lead to this problem.........if your answer is yes, then that means u believe what commercial media has unleashed to the public for the past 5 plus years

but if one was living in 1984 and of age during this time this actually happened, and ANYONE can look this information up for themselves, you will find his primary surgeon at the time issued a public statement right during the time MJ was hospitalized that under no circumstances MJ wanted to rely on any type of pain substance to aid in his recovery because he was such an advocate of non drug use of any kind.......

this was the SAME YEAR when MJ's song BEAT IT was being used in a nationally campaigned commercial to encourage youth not to indulge in any type of substance use which led to former First Lady of the country NANCY REAGAN to start how on anit-drug campagin of JUST SAY NO, which became a popular campaign of the day

so if I continuously make mention of MJ's assertion of recovering naturally after he suffered the Pepsi accident

THAT MEANS that I'm not painting MJ in a negative light, and if anything, I'm upholding not the false image, but the authenticity of the musical message he projected to the world, a message that the nation and the world took heed to BEFORE the superficial image led to what happened in 1993 and what is trying to be upheld commercially

whatever happened in 1993 in relation to why he started using them had absolutely nothing to do with what happened to him in 1984, and any commercial media source who continues to try and sway public opinion that way are the people who have the REAL AGENDA.......

and since u think/assume I have an agenda,

clearly point out what it is word for word

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Michael was on painkillers after the burns surgery - like anyone else who has had surgery. Did he become addicted to them at that time? It doesn't seem like it.

Did he later become addicted to them? Yes. We know that.

The thing with painkillers is that it's a slippery slope. We can't say that the fire incident was the first step on a road that later led him to addiction, but it's not out of the realms of possibility, either.

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Scorp said:

Militant said:

Michael was on painkillers after the burns surgery - like anyone else who has had surgery. Did he become addicted to them at that time? It doesn't seem like it.

Did he later become addicted to them? Yes. We know that.

The thing with painkillers is that it's a slippery slope. We can't say that the fire incident was the first step on a road that later led him to addiction, but it's not out of the realms of possibility, either.

Specifically what source said this

Have you ever had surgery? Have you ever known anyone who has had skin grafts?

Listen, if Michael was given NO painkillers after third degree burns, I'll eat my hat.

I don't need a source. I've had major surgery twice in the last 12 months, and I have 5 doctors in my close family.