the problem is that,some of these female artists seem to think that being a "feminist" is strictly about dressing like a prostitute onstage.There's alot more to it than that.

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SoulAlive said:

the problem is that,some of these female artists seem to think that being a "feminist" is strictly about dressing like a prostitute onstage.There's alot more to it than that.

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Once again the 80's were better

SoulAlive said:

the problem is that,some of these female artists seem to think that being a "feminist" is strictly about dressing like a prostitute onstage.There's alot more to it than that.

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^LOL

NaughtyKitty said:

Annie is right. Not just about Beyonce but about how many of today's young female artists are willing to exploit themselves sexually but claim they are empowering themselves and women by "owning their sexuality"...But there is a difference between being sexy and straight up trashy. You can own your sexuality without having to turn into a stripper booty/cooching popping with your barely covered lady parts hanging out and twerking all over the stage, or telling women to "Bow down bitches" or tweeting nude selfies, or singing about graphic sex, etc. That goes for not only Beyonce but for Nicki, Rihanna, Miley, Lady Gaga and all the other females in the business who are willing to degrade themselves but say they are sexually liberated or free or whateva cuz they're owning their sexually. Girl, bye!


And this Diana Veiga is a joke. Just because Annie dared to criticize Bey that makes her "a white woman who feels the need to police black women's definition and brand of feminism?" Why is she bringing race into this when it clearly isnt a race issue? Makes me wonder if she is secretly one of Bey's "Team Beyonce" journalists for hire...

[Edited 10/7/14 18:11pm]

SoulAlive said:

the problem is that,some of these female artists seem to think that being a "feminist" is strictly about dressing like a prostitute onstage.There's alot more to it than that.

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I'm just curious how you can be so against female artists wearing sexy or revealing outfits and then be a huge Madonna fan? Isn't that a contradiction? Madonna certainly doesn't cover up and just wear evening gowns. Madonna is my all time favorite artist so I'm not criticizing you for liking her. But a lot of her persona and art has sexually explicit themes and imagery in it. I see what people are saying when someone is just sexual with no talent or intelligence, but I don't think female artists should have to cover up or be banned from addressing sexual topics in their music or looks. I'm not a huge Beyonce fan, but she isn't just sexual. She actually does have talent and a really good voice. But I really don't like this idea that a woman can't be sexual at all anymore or she is degrading herself. Sexuality is a normal natural part of life, which is totally in bounds to be addressed in music or other arts and I don't like this idea that to be a feminist you have to deny your sexuality or be covered up all the time.

NaughtyKitty said:

Annie is right. Not just about Beyonce but about how many of today's young female artists are willing to exploit themselves sexually but claim they are empowering themselves and women by "owning their sexuality"...But there is a difference between being sexy and straight up trashy. You can own your sexuality without having to turn into a stripper booty/cooching popping with your barely covered lady parts hanging out and twerking all over the stage, or telling women to "Bow down bitches" or tweeting nude selfies, or singing about graphic sex, etc. That goes for not only Beyonce but for Nicki, Rihanna, Miley, Lady Gaga and all the other females in the business who are willing to degrade themselves but say they are sexually liberated or free or whateva cuz they're owning their sexually. Girl, bye!


And this Diana Veiga is a joke. Just because Annie dared to criticize Bey that makes her "a white woman who feels the need to police black women's definition and brand of feminism?" Why is she bringing race into this when it clearly isnt a race issue? Makes me wonder if she is secretly one of Bey's "Team Beyonce" journalists for hire...

[Edited 10/7/14 18:11pm]

Glindathegood said:

SoulAlive said:

the problem is that,some of these female artists seem to think that being a "feminist" is strictly about dressing like a prostitute onstage.There's alot more to it than that.

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I'm just curious how you can be so against female artists wearing sexy or revealing outfits and then be a huge Madonna fan? Isn't that a contradiction? Madonna certainly doesn't cover up and just wear evening gowns. Madonna is my all time favorite artist so I'm not criticizing you for liking her. But a lot of her persona and art has sexually explicit themes and imagery in it. I see what people are saying when someone is just sexual with no talent or intelligence, but I don't think female artists should have to cover up or be banned from addressing sexual topics in their music or looks. I'm not a huge Beyonce fan, but she isn't just sexual. She actually does have talent and a really good voice. But I really don't like this idea that a woman can't be sexual at all anymore or she is degrading herself. Sexuality is a normal natural part of life, which is totally in bounds to be addressed in music or other arts and I don't like this idea that to be a feminist you have to deny your sexuality or be covered up all the time.

Madonna definitely sold (sells?) sex but I don't think she ever did so in the name of feminism like pop stars are doing now, correct me if I'm wrong. There's not anything wrong with female artists being sexual BUT women showing our bodies isn't the only way for women to express our sexuality. The fact that almost every female pop star these days is half/completely nude begs the question: how many of them are doing it because they want to and not because they're told to? Jay-Z can talk about sex fully clothed while his wife talks about the same thing right next to him except she's in a thong...like that's stupid.

I don't think you have to cover up to be a feminist at all but I take issue with pop stars saying being naked is feminism especially if they aren't doing it because they want to.

[Edited 10/11/14 13:54pm]

Glindathegood said:

I'm just curious how you can be so against female artists wearing sexy or revealing outfits and then be a huge Madonna fan? Isn't that a contradiction? Madonna certainly doesn't cover up and just wear evening gowns. Madonna is my all time favorite artist so I'm not criticizing you for liking her. But a lot of her persona and art has sexually explicit themes and imagery in it. I see what people are saying when someone is just sexual with no talent or intelligence, but I don't think female artists should have to cover up or be banned from addressing sexual topics in their music or looks. I'm not a huge Beyonce fan, but she isn't just sexual. She actually does have talent and a really good voice. But I really don't like this idea that a woman can't be sexual at all anymore or she is degrading herself. Sexuality is a normal natural part of life, which is totally in bounds to be addressed in music or other arts and I don't like this idea that to be a feminist you have to deny your sexuality or be covered up all the time.

When Madonna was doing all those "sexual things",she had a purpose.She was breaking down barriers,challenging people's conservative views on sexuality,making a statement with it.There was a message underneath it all.There was even humor and irony to it (remember the cone-shaped bra? lol).Nowadays,these female artists are being sleazy just for the sake of being sleazy.There's no message there.They're not trying to make a point,or encourage conversation.It's just "look at me,I'm practically naked...don't I look hot?" There's nothing wrong with being sexual or being free with your sexuality.But if that's all you have to offer,it becomes boring after awhile.

lrn36 said:

NaughtyKitty said:

Annie is right. Not just about Beyonce but about how many of today's young female artists are willing to exploit themselves sexually but claim they are empowering themselves and women by "owning their sexuality"...But there is a difference between being sexy and straight up trashy. You can own your sexuality without having to turn into a stripper booty/cooching popping with your barely covered lady parts hanging out and twerking all over the stage, or telling women to "Bow down bitches" or tweeting nude selfies, or singing about graphic sex, etc. That goes for not only Beyonce but for Nicki, Rihanna, Miley, Lady Gaga and all the other females in the business who are willing to degrade themselves but say they are sexually liberated or free or whateva cuz they're owning their sexually. Girl, bye!


And this Diana Veiga is a joke. Just because Annie dared to criticize Bey that makes her "a white woman who feels the need to police black women's definition and brand of feminism?" Why is she bringing race into this when it clearly isnt a race issue? Makes me wonder if she is secretly one of Bey's "Team Beyonce" journalists for hire...

[Edited 10/7/14 18:11pm]

And??? What does this pic have to do with the topic at hand?...missing the point here. We all know that the music industry is highly sexualized and that sex sells, but neither Bruno Mars nor Prince ever claimed to be feminists lol or sang sexual songs for reasons other than entertainment. The point here is that today's singers like Beyonce, Nicki Minaj, Rihanna, Lady Gaga, Miley, and others will strip down to practically nothing, twerk, grind and raunch it up on stage yet defend their antics as a form of feminism because they're "owning their sexuality" or some kind of nonsense. As Starbelly said, what does getting naked have to do with owning your sexuality? And isnt it convenient that the way these women are "owning it" in a way that turns on and titillates men? These women arent free, liberated or owning anything, they are just playing up to an image that has been established, heralded and expected of women in a male dominated industry.

As for that picture of Annie topless, has she taken a lot of pictures like that throughout her career or is that the only one? Anyways, I'm still standing by what I said earlier. Bruno looking hot in that pic tho, thanks!

starbelly said:

NaughtyKitty said:

That goes for not only Beyonce but for Nicki, Rihanna, Miley, Lady Gaga and all the other females in the business who are willing to degrade themselves but say they are sexually liberated or free or whateva cuz they're owning their sexually. Girl, bye!

Agreed. Why does a woman owning her sexuality mean getting damn near naked or completely naked? How super conveinent for Beyonce and company to own their sexuality in the way most hetero men like it LOL. Janelle Monae wears nothing but suits and she still exudes sexiness to me.

ITA on everything you said and I LOVE Janelle Monae! Now that woman is beautiful, smart, sexy and confident by just being herself without having to hooch it up by impersonating a stripper. She uses her talent and creativity to get a message across and is a much better role model than most of the overrated and overhyped female singers that are constantly being shoved down our throats. Bravo to her for being herself and keeping it real and refusing to sell out to the image of what makes a woman sexy as defined by mostly the men in suits running the industry.

NaughtyKitty said:

lrn36 said:

And??? What does this pic have to do with the topic at hand?...missing the point here. We all know that the music industry is highly sexualized and that sex sells, but neither Bruno Mars nor Prince ever claimed to be feminists lol or sang sexual songs for reasons other than entertainment. The point here is that today's singers like Beyonce, Nicki Minaj, Rihanna, Lady Gaga, Miley, and others will strip down to practically nothing, twerk, grind and raunch it up on stage yet defend their antics as a form of feminism because they're "owning their sexuality" or some kind of nonsense. As Starbelly said, what does getting naked have to do with owning your sexuality? And isnt it convenient that the way these women are "owning it" in a way that turns on and titillates men? These women arent free, liberated or owning anything, they are just playing up to an image that has been established, heralded and expected of women in a male dominated industry.

As for that picture of Annie topless, has she taken a lot of pictures like that throughout her career or is that the only one? Anyways, I'm still standing by what I said earlier. Bruno looking hot in that pic tho, thanks!

Yes, a lot of artists have been using overt sex in their work for decades. Why can't a woman do that and be a feminist as well? I thought feminism meant a woman can make her own choices about her own life. No matter what you think of her music, no one can deny that she is completely in charge of her image. That would make her a feminist, right? Or is there some kind of initation or orientation process she has to go through before she gets to join the club?

Many feminists are disturbed by the fact that young women are reluctant to identify with the word. Here is a young woman who proudly claims the word and Annie Lennox, the arbiter of all things feminist comes into check her membership card.

starbelly said:

NaughtyKitty said:

That goes for not only Beyonce but for Nicki, Rihanna, Miley, Lady Gaga and all the other females in the business who are willing to degrade themselves but say they are sexually liberated or free or whateva cuz they're owning their sexually. Girl, bye!

Agreed. Why does a woman owning her sexuality mean getting damn near naked or completely naked? How super conveinent for Beyonce and company to own their sexuality in the way most hetero men like it LOL. Janelle Monae wears nothing but suits and she still exudes sexiness to me.

Its not going to be too long until Janelle starts sexing up her image, not that there is anything wrong with that. She's looking good here.

So lemme get this straight...people actually disagree with Annie that feminism is anything more than a gimmick for Bouncy?

People are actually defending Bouncy as a feminist?

Really?

Alrighty then.

lrn36 said:

SoulAlive said:

the problem is that,some of these female artists seem to think that being a "feminist" is strictly about dressing like a prostitute onstage.There's alot more to it than that.

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What's the point? He look like a damn fool too.

I say good for Annie. Someone needs to start calling these people out.

NaughtyKitty said:

lrn36 said:

And??? What does this pic have to do with the topic at hand?...missing the point here. We all know that the music industry is highly sexualized and that sex sells, but neither Bruno Mars nor Prince ever claimed to be feminists lol or sang sexual songs for reasons other than entertainment. The point here is that today's singers like Beyonce, Nicki Minaj, Rihanna, Lady Gaga, Miley, and others will strip down to practically nothing, twerk, grind and raunch it up on stage yet defend their antics as a form of feminism because they're "owning their sexuality" or some kind of nonsense. As Starbelly said, what does getting naked have to do with owning your sexuality? And isnt it convenient that the way these women are "owning it" in a way that turns on and titillates men? These women arent free, liberated or owning anything, they are just playing up to an image that has been established, heralded and expected of women in a male dominated industry.

As for that picture of Annie topless, has she taken a lot of pictures like that throughout her career or is that the only one? Anyways, I'm still standing by what I said earlier. Bruno looking hot in that pic tho, thanks!

babynoz said:

lrn36 said:

What's the point? He look like a damn fool too.

Say that! When I saw this performance, I was very much embarassed.

babynoz said:

So lemme get this straight...people actually disagree with Annie that feminism is anything more than a gimmick for Bouncy?

People are actually defending Bouncy as a feminist?

Really?

Alrighty then.

For those who don't know:

Feminism is a collection of movements and ideologies aimed at defining, establishing, and defending equal political, economic, cultural, and social rights for women.

Please show me examples of Beyonce or any other such "entertainer" doing such.

Stymie said:

babynoz said:

So lemme get this straight...people actually disagree with Annie that feminism is anything more than a gimmick for Bouncy?

People are actually defending Bouncy as a feminist?

Really?

Alrighty then.

For those who don't know:

Feminism is a collection of movements and ideologies aimed at defining, establishing, and defending equal political, economic, cultural, and social rights for women.

Please show me examples of Beyonce or any other such "entertainer" doing such.

All you have to do is search. I'm not a Beyonce a fan, but I don't allow my dislike for an artist reflect my opinion on their humanity.

Beyoncé is a co-founder of CHIME FOR CHANGE, a platform designed to empower women and girls through education, health and justice.

Following charities and organization Beyonce supports and raised money for.

Thank you for the examples. Good on her and anyone else giving money to a good cause.

I still don't believe she is a feminist and probably never will though. And with that, I'll leave this thread before I upset some of her supporters.

lrn36 said:

Stymie said:

For those who don't know:

Feminism is a collection of movements and ideologies aimed at defining, establishing, and defending equal political, economic, cultural, and social rights for women.

Please show me examples of Beyonce or any other such "entertainer" doing such.

All you have to do is search. I'm not a Beyonce a fan, but I don't allow my dislike for an artist reflect my opinion on their humanity.

Beyoncé is a co-founder of CHIME FOR CHANGE, a platform designed to empower women and girls through education, health and justice.

Following charities and organization Beyonce supports and raised money for.

• 46664
• American Foundation for AIDS Research
• Artists for Peace and Justice
• Barbara Davis Center for ...d Diabetes
• Boys & Girls Clubs of America
• Candie's Foundation
• CHIME FOR CHANGE
• Clinton Bush Haiti Fund
• Clothes Off Our Back
• Entertainment Industry Foundation
• Feeding America
• Food Bank For New York City
• GEMS
• Kids Wish Network

• Love Our Children USA
• Miami Children's Hospital Foundation
• MusiCares
• Music Rising
• Oxfam
• Phoenix House
• Prince's Trust
• Save The Music Foundation
• Stand Up To Cancer
• Survivor Foundation
• The Lunchbox Fund
• The Samburu Project
• Women's Fund for Scotland

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/news/female-live-aid-beyonc-florence-welch-and-jennifer-lopez-to-join-forces-for-london-charity-concert-8599895.html

'Female Live Aid': Beyoncé, Florence Welch and Jennifer Lopez to join forces for London charity concert

Beyoncé, Florence Welch and Jennifer Lopez will join forces for a “female Live Aid” charity concert in London, designed to “empower” women across the world, which will give ticket-holders the chance to choose which projects they wish to fund.

For the first time, “hypothecation” of ticket revenues will be tested at the Sound of Change concert at Twickenham stadium, organised by Beyoncé, which is designed to improve the life-opportunities for women and young girls in the developing word.

The 70,000 ticket-holders for the June 1 show, which also features Rita Ora and Ellie Goulding, are invited to select a project to fund from the Chime For Change website.

Examples include supporting secondary school scholarships in Ethiopia, helping Syrian refugees gain access to health-care and a project to assist villagers in Mali combat female genital mutilation.

Harvey Goldsmith, the concert promoter, who previously organised Live Aid, told the i: “With Live Aid you had to look through the accounts to find how every penny was spent. With Sound of Change you can follow a project all the way through.

“You just go online, look at the different projects, which come under the heading of Education, Justice or Health and tick a box for the project you support. We will send you updates on where the money is going and what happened with the project. No-one has done this with a concert before.”

All profits from the £95 tickets will go to the good causes, with millions more expected to be donated when the concert is be broadcast by the BBC.

Economists have argued for “hypothecation”, the ear-marking of taxation for particular causes, to be introduced in the UK. Supporters say assigning taxation to environmental causes, or road or hospital building, would allow voters to make a stronger connection between the taxes they pay and the services they receive.

With J-Lo and Beyoncé heading the line-up, the concert also promises a summit between music's greatest divas. “We could fill Twickenham just with their entourages,” joked Goldsmith. “Everyone is going to have a backstage area of their own.”

Beyoncé has embraced her role as a Geldof-style charity activist. “She is involved in every aspect of the show,” said Goldsmith.

“I have always felt strongly about equal opportunity for women. Girls have to be taught from early on that they are strong and capable of being anything they want to be,” said the singer, currently performing a sell-out run at the O2 Arena. “It's up to us to change the statistics for women around the world.”

So she has savvy PR/publicists and a good tax attorney...whoop de doo! Reminds me of her numerous song writing and studio credits,

I think that Bouncy is a good, hard working entertainer and probably a nice lady, but there's no need to make her out to be something she's not.

But hey, good on her for attaching her name to various charities though....hope springs eternal.

babynoz said:

lrn36 said:

All you have to do is search. I'm not a Beyonce a fan, but I don't allow my dislike for an artist reflect my opinion on their humanity.

Beyoncé is a co-founder of CHIME FOR CHANGE, a platform designed to empower women and girls through education, health and justice.

Following charities and organization Beyonce supports and raised money for.

• 46664
• American Foundation for AIDS Research
• Artists for Peace and Justice
• Barbara Davis Center for ...d Diabetes
• Boys & Girls Clubs of America
• Candie's Foundation
• CHIME FOR CHANGE
• Clinton Bush Haiti Fund
• Clothes Off Our Back
• Entertainment Industry Foundation
• Feeding America
• Food Bank For New York City
• GEMS
• Kids Wish Network

• Love Our Children USA
• Miami Children's Hospital Foundation
• MusiCares
• Music Rising
• Oxfam
• Phoenix House
• Prince's Trust
• Save The Music Foundation
• Stand Up To Cancer
• Survivor Foundation
• The Lunchbox Fund
• The Samburu Project
• Women's Fund for Scotland

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/news/female-live-aid-beyonc-florence-welch-and-jennifer-lopez-to-join-forces-for-london-charity-concert-8599895.html

'Female Live Aid': Beyoncé, Florence Welch and Jennifer Lopez to join forces for London charity concert

Beyoncé, Florence Welch and Jennifer Lopez will join forces for a “female Live Aid” charity concert in London, designed to “empower” women across the world, which will give ticket-holders the chance to choose which projects they wish to fund.

For the first time, “hypothecation” of ticket revenues will be tested at the Sound of Change concert at Twickenham stadium, organised by Beyoncé, which is designed to improve the life-opportunities for women and young girls in the developing word.

The 70,000 ticket-holders for the June 1 show, which also features Rita Ora and Ellie Goulding, are invited to select a project to fund from the Chime For Change website.

Examples include supporting secondary school scholarships in Ethiopia, helping Syrian refugees gain access to health-care and a project to assist villagers in Mali combat female genital mutilation.

Harvey Goldsmith, the concert promoter, who previously organised Live Aid, told the i: “With Live Aid you had to look through the accounts to find how every penny was spent. With Sound of Change you can follow a project all the way through.

“You just go online, look at the different projects, which come under the heading of Education, Justice or Health and tick a box for the project you support. We will send you updates on where the money is going and what happened with the project. No-one has done this with a concert before.”

All profits from the £95 tickets will go to the good causes, with millions more expected to be donated when the concert is be broadcast by the BBC.

Economists have argued for “hypothecation”, the ear-marking of taxation for particular causes, to be introduced in the UK. Supporters say assigning taxation to environmental causes, or road or hospital building, would allow voters to make a stronger connection between the taxes they pay and the services they receive.

With J-Lo and Beyoncé heading the line-up, the concert also promises a summit between music's greatest divas. “We could fill Twickenham just with their entourages,” joked Goldsmith. “Everyone is going to have a backstage area of their own.”

Beyoncé has embraced her role as a Geldof-style charity activist. “She is involved in every aspect of the show,” said Goldsmith.

“I have always felt strongly about equal opportunity for women. Girls have to be taught from early on that they are strong and capable of being anything they want to be,” said the singer, currently performing a sell-out run at the O2 Arena. “It's up to us to change the statistics for women around the world.”

So she has savvy PR/publicists and a good tax attorney...whoop de doo! Reminds me of her numerous song writing and studio credits,

I think that Bouncy is a good, hard working entertainer and probably a nice lady, but there's no need to make her out to be something she's not.

But hey, good on her for attaching her name to various charities though....hope springs eternal.

I'm not making her out to be something she is not. There are people who are claiming she is not a feminist or 'feminist lite.' So if all this caritable work for women's causes, exclusively touring with an all female band, and hiring mostly female management team doesn't make her a feminist, then I guess no one is. So I guess the standard is a women can't flaunt their sexuality and be a feminist at the same time. Well, based on that picture I posted, Annie has excluded herself, too.

Stymie said:

Thank you for the examples. Good on her and anyone else giving money to a good cause.

I still don't believe she is a feminist and probably never will though. And with that, I'll leave this thread before I upset some of her supporters.

I guess they gonna hate me then,

Apparently attaching a feminist label means it's okay to be looking up somebody's ass crack every five minutes.

Melissa Harris Perry tried to push this BS when Bey released her last album. I posted a message to her telling her she should be ashamed of herself for touting such nonsense as a woman who has a daughter.

If Bey is a good person who gives to charity that's quite enough.

babynoz said:

Stymie said:

Thank you for the examples. Good on her and anyone else giving money to a good cause.

I still don't believe she is a feminist and probably never will though. And with that, I'll leave this thread before I upset some of her supporters.

I guess they gonna hate me then,

Apparently attaching a feminist label means it's okay to be looking up somebody's ass crack every five minutes.

Melissa Harris Perry tried to push this BS when Bey released her last album. I posted a message to her telling her she should be ashamed of herself for touting such nonsense as a woman who has a daughter.

If Bey is a good person who gives to charity that's quite enough.

So does that apply to feminist icon Josephine Baker as well?

All Annie had to do is say she didn't like Beyonce or her music instead of cowardly hiding behind some socio-political criticism. It even makes it more apparent what she was doing when she tried to walk back that her statements. And its no coincidence that she has a new album out. I guess attacking another artist for some free publicity is all in the game.

[Edited 10/12/14 17:13pm]

lrn36 said:

babynoz said:

So she has savvy PR/publicists and a good tax attorney...whoop de doo! Reminds me of her numerous song writing and studio credits,

I think that Bouncy is a good, hard working entertainer and probably a nice lady, but there's no need to make her out to be something she's not.

But hey, good on her for attaching her name to various charities though....hope springs eternal.

I'm not making her out to be something she is not. There are people who are claiming she is not a feminist or 'feminist lite.' So if all this caritable work for women's causes, exclusively touring with an all female band, and hiring mostly female management team doesn't make her a feminist, then I guess no one is. So I guess the standard is a women can't flaunt their sexuality and be a feminist at the same time. Well, based on that picture I posted, Annie has excluded herself, too.

Most of the charities on that list cannot be classified as exclusively feminist though. Moreover, I don't know how much actual work she's done with any given charity as opposed to writing a check and lending her name, which is still good, don't get me wrong.

Ps, when did feminism become about flaunting anything? That's a superficial understanding of the movement at best.

Finally, one pic of Annie is not the equivalent of "around the clock ass, 24/7/365, which is what I think people are griping about. Being a little risque occasionally is all well and good but continual, relentless, overexposure is completely different.

However you could say that perhaps Annie is giving her a bad wrap when discussing cheap lyrics since we have no clue how many of those Bouncy is actually responsible for other than singing them.

lrn36 said:

babynoz said:

I guess they gonna hate me then,

Apparently attaching a feminist label means it's okay to be looking up somebody's ass crack every five minutes.

Melissa Harris Perry tried to push this BS when Bey released her last album. I posted a message to her telling her she should be ashamed of herself for touting such nonsense as a woman who has a daughter.

If Bey is a good person who gives to charity that's quite enough.

So does that apply to feminist icon Josephine Baker as well?

You still don't get it. NOBODY HAS A PROBLEM WITH NUDITY, SHEESH!

I recall her being a civil rights activist but you'll have to show me where she called herself a feminist...WE ARE DISCUSSING FEMINISM.

While your're at it, please explain why and how there is anything whatsoever feminist about the photos you keep posting...I'll wait.

babynoz said:

lrn36 said:

I'm not making her out to be something she is not. There are people who are claiming she is not a feminist or 'feminist lite.' So if all this caritable work for women's causes, exclusively touring with an all female band, and hiring mostly female management team doesn't make her a feminist, then I guess no one is. So I guess the standard is a women can't flaunt their sexuality and be a feminist at the same time. Well, based on that picture I posted, Annie has excluded herself, too.

Most of the charities on that list cannot be classified as exclusively feminist though. Moreover, I don't know how much actual work she's done with any given charity as opposed to writing a check and lending her name, which is still good, don't get me wrong.

Ps, when did feminism become about flaunting anything? That's a superficial understanding of the movement at best.

Finally, one pic of Annie is not the equivalent of "around the clock ass, 24/7/365, which is what I think people are griping about. Being a little risque occasionally is all well and good but continual, relentless, overexposure is completely different.

However you could say that perhaps Annie is giving her a bad wrap when discussing cheap lyrics since we have no clue how many of those Bouncy is actually responsible for other than singing them.

So for you feminism is about hierarchy. A woman has to meet a certain set of guidelines and prequalifications before she gets to call herself a feminist. Fair enough. Who gets to set those standards? Is there a vote? And once a woman is in, does she have to reup with the management to maintain her feminist status?

babynoz said:

Stymie said:

Thank you for the examples. Good on her and anyone else giving money to a good cause.

I still don't believe she is a feminist and probably never will though. And with that, I'll leave this thread before I upset some of her supporters.

I guess they gonna hate me then,

Apparently attaching a feminist label means it's okay to be looking up somebody's ass crack every five minutes.

Melissa Harris Perry tried to push this BS when Bey released her last album. I posted a message to her telling her she should be ashamed of herself for touting such nonsense as a woman who has a daughter.

If Bey is a good person who gives to charity that's quite enough.

Her being married to a man who has zero problem referring to any female as a bitch tells me all I need to know.

I'm out for real now.

lrn36 said:

babynoz said:

Most of the charities on that list cannot be classified as exclusively feminist though. Moreover, I don't know how much actual work she's done with any given charity as opposed to writing a check and lending her name, which is still good, don't get me wrong.

Ps, when did feminism become about flaunting anything? That's a superficial understanding of the movement at best.

Finally, one pic of Annie is not the equivalent of "around the clock ass, 24/7/365, which is what I think people are griping about. Being a little risque occasionally is all well and good but continual, relentless, overexposure is completely different.

However you could say that perhaps Annie is giving her a bad wrap when discussing cheap lyrics since we have no clue how many of those Bouncy is actually responsible for other than singing them.

So for you feminism is about hierarchy. A woman has to meet a certain set of guidelines and prequalifications before she gets to call herself a feminist. Fair enough. Who gets to set those standards? Is there a vote? And once a woman is in, does she have to reup with the management to maintain her feminist status?

Feminism is about understanding what one is talking about first and foremost. I've heard Bey speak on feminism,

You're the one who is pressed because we won't hoist a feminist banner for her. It's perfectly fine with me if she's not. All I'm saying is there's no need to misrepresent her.