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Thread started 10/04/14 10:17am

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What's with all the hate for We Are The World?

Why is this song seemingly so hated by critics and hardcore music listeners? Is it because it's a charity single? Is it because of the lyrics? Is it because famine in Africa is still as bad as it was back in 1985? Or since this is a Prince site, is it just people in here mad that Prince wasn't on it (as he was originally intended to be) and because he wasn't there, it's just sour grapes and that makes WATW a bad song? Or is it because a lot of famous, wealthy celebrities were foing something charitable and selfless and it couldn't have been anything more than a publicity stunt?

The way I see it, it was well composed; everything was engineered to perfection. I just got the DVD yesterday and you can tell that they were serious about making the song from getting all the right people to sing the right parts with all the right notes at exactly the right times. This wasn't just slapped together at the last minute and handed in (like WATW 25 was), it was intricately constructed and made with the utmost care and finesse. Furthermore, why do the artists (the ones who were actually there) catch the flack for participating? They did their part in lending their voices and credibility to actually get people to listen and buy the song even if the money was mismanaged.

So why does a harmless song that inherently was successful and fulfilled its purpose get capped on by seemingly so many people? It sounds good, it had good intentions, and it had a good vibe so why?
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Reply #1 posted 10/04/14 10:44am

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Probably the same reason critics generally don't like Michael Bolton, Air Supply, Whitney Houston, Kenny G, Phil Collins, or Pat & Debby Boone. They don't tend to like adult contemporary songs and We Are The World is basically that. Sun City was uptempo and dancable and it was produced by Arthur Baker who was a popular dance producer/remixer in the 1980s. Sun City as a song was considered more "cool" than We Are The World and Do They Know It's Christmas, which were considered bland.

You can take a black guy to Nashville from right out of the cotton fields with bib overalls, and they will call him R&B. You can take a white guy in a pin-stripe suit who’s never seen a cotton field, and they will call him country. ~ O. B. McClinton
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Reply #2 posted 10/04/14 12:23pm

uPtoWnNY

It's a sappy piece of crap.

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Reply #3 posted 10/04/14 1:21pm

PatrickS77

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MotownSubdivision said:

Why is this song seemingly so hated by critics and hardcore music listeners? Is it because it's a charity single? Is it because of the lyrics? Is it because famine in Africa is still as bad as it was back in 1985? Or since this is a Prince site, is it just people in here mad that Prince wasn't on it (as he was originally intended to be) and because he wasn't there, it's just sour grapes and that makes WATW a bad song? Or is it because a lot of famous, wealthy celebrities were foing something charitable and selfless and it couldn't have been anything more than a publicity stunt? The way I see it, it was well composed; everything was engineered to perfection. I just got the DVD yesterday and you can tell that they were serious about making the song from getting all the right people to sing the right parts with all the right notes at exactly the right times. This wasn't just slapped together at the last minute and handed in (like WATW 25 was), it was intricately constructed and made with the utmost care and finesse. Furthermore, why do the artists (the ones who were actually there) catch the flack for participating? They did their part in lending their voices and credibility to actually get people to listen and buy the song even if the money was mismanaged. So why does a harmless song that inherently was successful and fulfilled its purpose get capped on by seemingly so many people? It sounds good, it had good intentions, and it had a good vibe so why?

Because people are stupid, that's why.

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Reply #4 posted 10/04/14 1:25pm

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We should thank it for the song Hello?

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #5 posted 10/04/14 1:32pm

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MickyDolenz said:

Probably the same reason critics generally don't like Michael Bolton, Air Supply, Whitney Houston, Kenny G, Phil Collins, or Pat & Debby Boone. They don't tend to like adult contemporary songs and We Are The World is basically that. Sun City was uptempo and dancable and it was produced by Arthur Baker who was a popular dance producer/remixer in the 1980s. Sun City as a song was considered more "cool" than We Are The World and Do They Know It's Christmas, which were considered bland.


"Sun City" had Lou Reed and Joey Ramone singing on it. That alone makes it way cooler than "We Are The World".

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Reply #6 posted 10/04/14 1:36pm

uPtoWnNY

PatrickS77 said:

MotownSubdivision said:

Why is this song seemingly so hated by critics and hardcore music listeners? Is it because it's a charity single? Is it because of the lyrics? Is it because famine in Africa is still as bad as it was back in 1985? Or since this is a Prince site, is it just people in here mad that Prince wasn't on it (as he was originally intended to be) and because he wasn't there, it's just sour grapes and that makes WATW a bad song? Or is it because a lot of famous, wealthy celebrities were foing something charitable and selfless and it couldn't have been anything more than a publicity stunt? The way I see it, it was well composed; everything was engineered to perfection. I just got the DVD yesterday and you can tell that they were serious about making the song from getting all the right people to sing the right parts with all the right notes at exactly the right times. This wasn't just slapped together at the last minute and handed in (like WATW 25 was), it was intricately constructed and made with the utmost care and finesse. Furthermore, why do the artists (the ones who were actually there) catch the flack for participating? They did their part in lending their voices and credibility to actually get people to listen and buy the song even if the money was mismanaged. So why does a harmless song that inherently was successful and fulfilled its purpose get capped on by seemingly so many people? It sounds good, it had good intentions, and it had a good vibe so why?

Because people are stupid, that's why.

So folks who don't like what you like are stupid? Gotcha.

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Reply #7 posted 10/04/14 1:40pm

WorldofPeace

The two comments above are spot on , it has nothing to do with Prince not being on it , it would still be looked down on if it did.

[Edited 10/4/14 13:41pm]

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Reply #8 posted 10/04/14 1:52pm

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sexton said:

"Sun City" had Lou Reed and Joey Ramone singing on it. That alone makes it way cooler than "We Are The World".

I've never cared about coolness and I like We Are The World. I have the maxi single and the album. I have the DVD of it too. I didn't like the new version for Haiti though.

You can take a black guy to Nashville from right out of the cotton fields with bib overalls, and they will call him R&B. You can take a white guy in a pin-stripe suit who’s never seen a cotton field, and they will call him country. ~ O. B. McClinton
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Reply #9 posted 10/04/14 1:54pm

SoulAlive

I don't think it's a terrible song boxed yes,it's schmaltzy,but I think it's a well-composed song.

Best part of the song is Bruce Springsteen and Stevie Wonder singing together.

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Reply #10 posted 10/04/14 2:20pm

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1986 American Music Awards

You can take a black guy to Nashville from right out of the cotton fields with bib overalls, and they will call him R&B. You can take a white guy in a pin-stripe suit who’s never seen a cotton field, and they will call him country. ~ O. B. McClinton
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Reply #11 posted 10/04/14 2:41pm

Gunsnhalen

uPtoWnNY said:

PatrickS77 said:

Because people are stupid, that's why.

So folks who don't like what you like are stupid? Gotcha.

Why can't we make the org a brighter day? just you and i.

[Edited 10/4/14 14:42pm]

Pistols sounded like "Fuck off," wheras The Clash sounded like "Fuck Off, but here's why.."- Thedigitialgardener

All music is shit music and no music is real- gunsnhalen

Datdonkeydick- Asherfierce

Gary Hunts Album Isn't That Good- Soulalive
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Reply #12 posted 10/04/14 3:22pm

Scorp

MotownSubdivision said:

Why is this song seemingly so hated by critics and hardcore music listeners? Is it because it's a charity single? Is it because of the lyrics? Is it because famine in Africa is still as bad as it was back in 1985? Or since this is a Prince site, is it just people in here mad that Prince wasn't on it (as he was originally intended to be) and because he wasn't there, it's just sour grapes and that makes WATW a bad song? Or is it because a lot of famous, wealthy celebrities were foing something charitable and selfless and it couldn't have been anything more than a publicity stunt? The way I see it, it was well composed; everything was engineered to perfection. I just got the DVD yesterday and you can tell that they were serious about making the song from getting all the right people to sing the right parts with all the right notes at exactly the right times. This wasn't just slapped together at the last minute and handed in (like WATW 25 was), it was intricately constructed and made with the utmost care and finesse. Furthermore, why do the artists (the ones who were actually there) catch the flack for participating? They did their part in lending their voices and credibility to actually get people to listen and buy the song even if the money was mismanaged. So why does a harmless song that inherently was successful and fulfilled its purpose get capped on by seemingly so many people? It sounds good, it had good intentions, and it had a good vibe so why?

what a great question regarding a great moment....

I really believe this song marked the very apex of the music industry and presentation.....

this was teh highmark and then it all began to decline.....

everyone in that studio that night honored their profession.......

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Reply #13 posted 10/04/14 3:46pm

HuMpThAnG

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I don't think it's a terrible song boxed yes,it's schmaltzy,but I think it's a well-composed song.

Best part of the song is Bruce Springsteen and Stevie Wonder singing together.

And well produce too nod

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Reply #14 posted 10/04/14 3:57pm

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uPtoWnNY said:

PatrickS77 said:

Because people are stupid, that's why.

So folks who don't like what you like are stupid? Gotcha.

No. People, who don't like that song, are stupid.

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Reply #15 posted 10/04/14 5:08pm

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You can take a black guy to Nashville from right out of the cotton fields with bib overalls, and they will call him R&B. You can take a white guy in a pin-stripe suit who’s never seen a cotton field, and they will call him country. ~ O. B. McClinton
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Reply #16 posted 10/04/14 6:49pm

uPtoWnNY

PatrickS77 said:

uPtoWnNY said:

So folks who don't like what you like are stupid? Gotcha.

No. People, who don't like that song, are stupid.

What a stupid thing to say.

[Edited 10/4/14 19:00pm]

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Reply #17 posted 10/05/14 3:41am

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It's just not a very good song, and Do They Know It's Christmas was done before, better and with much more thought into the production.

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Reply #18 posted 10/05/14 4:28am

Neversin

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uPtoWnNY said:

PatrickS77 said:

No. People, who don't like that song, are stupid.

What a stupid thing to say.

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Look at his fucking avatar...
He would probably even drink the anal leakage Mikey would have offered him...
Fucking idiots who are into that drug money laundering scam of "We are the World" should be sliced open and experimented on to further human development...

Neversin.

O(+>NIИ<+)O

“Is man merely a mistake of God's? Or God merely a mistake of man's?”

- Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche
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Reply #19 posted 10/05/14 6:47am

MotownSubdivis
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Neversin said:



uPtoWnNY said:




PatrickS77 said:




No. People, who don't like that song, are stupid.



What a stupid thing to say.


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Look at his fucking avatar...
He would probably even drink the anal leakage Mikey would have offered him...
Fucking idiots who are into that drug money laundering scam of "We are the World" should be sliced open and experimented on to further human development...

Neversin.

This is even stupider than what he said.
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Reply #20 posted 10/05/14 7:09am

thedoorkeeper

uPtoWnNY said:

It's a sappy piece of crap.



yes it definitely is sappy.
What makes it an interesting song is the collection
of singers. If it would be sung by one vocalist it
would be clear it is a MJ schmaltz dream.Try and find
someone doing a cover version. If it were a good song
it would be recorded by other artists. It is a gimmick
song. It worked for its purpose to raise $ but it is
no great song.
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Reply #21 posted 10/05/14 7:21am

Scorp

thedoorkeeper said:

uPtoWnNY said:

It's a sappy piece of crap.

yes it definitely is sappy. What makes it an interesting song is the collection of singers. If it would be sung by one vocalist it would be clear it is a MJ schmaltz dream.Try and find someone doing a cover version. If it were a good song it would be recorded by other artists. It is a gimmick song. It worked for its purpose to raise $ but it is no great song.

this was not the sentiment in 1985

when I was in the school choir back in the 8th grade

there was major battles as to who was going to sing which parts

it was like it got to the point where student had to "pick straws" to end the fuss....

every major radio station in the united states played this song on teh airwaves at the same time

I can't recall another song before or since who achieved such a moment........

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Reply #22 posted 10/05/14 8:02am

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The collection of singers is also a problem. It chops and changes so much, it just doesn't sound very good. There's a much bigger mix of different kinds of artists compared to Do They Know It's Christmas, but that's not necesarily a good thing. Bob Dylan, Cyndi Lauper, Diana Ross and Willie Nelson etc. really just shouldn't go together.

Also, has anyone seen the Making Of scenes on the DVD? Bob Dylan was so out of it, he probably took about an hour to sing one line.

[Edited 10/5/14 8:03am]

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Reply #23 posted 10/05/14 8:10am

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On another note re: Do They Know It's Chrstmas - That was done slap dash in desperation out of one man's idea, all coming together through organised chaos. WATW had the same sentiment but it had a head start in months of preparation before one night of recording. When the re-ignited Band Aid with Band Aid II in 1989 and Band Aid 20 in 2004, the former was a cheesy mess and the latter had a stench of self importance and faux credibility about it. Only the original had any sense of being genuine for the cause.

And I'm saying this as an MJ fan and someone who generally doesn't like Bob Geldof all that much!

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Reply #24 posted 10/05/14 10:05am

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MickyDolenz said:

sexton said:

"Sun City" had Lou Reed and Joey Ramone singing on it. That alone makes it way cooler than "We Are The World".

I've never cared about coolness and I like We Are The World. I have the maxi single and the album. I have the DVD of it too. I didn't like the new version for Haiti though.


I've never cared about coolness and I don't like "We Are The World". "Do They Know It's Christmas" is a charity song I can still listen to today, but not "We Are The World". Bleh.

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Reply #25 posted 10/05/14 11:04am

JoeTyler

it sure was a cynical project

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Reply #26 posted 10/05/14 11:22am

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You can take a black guy to Nashville from right out of the cotton fields with bib overalls, and they will call him R&B. You can take a white guy in a pin-stripe suit who’s never seen a cotton field, and they will call him country. ~ O. B. McClinton
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Reply #27 posted 10/05/14 11:27am

MotownSubdivis
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sexton said:



MickyDolenz said:




sexton said:


"Sun City" had Lou Reed and Joey Ramone singing on it. That alone makes it way cooler than "We Are The World".




I've never cared about coolness and I like We Are The World. I have the maxi single and the album. I have the DVD of it too. I didn't like the new version for Haiti though.




I've never cared about coolness and I don't like "We Are The World". "Do They Know It's Christmas" is a charity song I can still listen to today, but not "We Are The World". Bleh.

Well "We are the World" doesn't have the privilege of doubling as a Christmas song. It's a pure charity tune.
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Reply #28 posted 10/05/14 11:32am

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Hands Across America / Stars


You can take a black guy to Nashville from right out of the cotton fields with bib overalls, and they will call him R&B. You can take a white guy in a pin-stripe suit who’s never seen a cotton field, and they will call him country. ~ O. B. McClinton
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Reply #29 posted 10/05/14 2:03pm

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When I was in the 8th grade and 12 yrs. old, I raised $100.00 for USA For Africa. Back then, I felt like I really achieved something in the name of global charity for my efforts. For that $100.00, I got a certificate, a button and a sweatshirt in the mail in the weeks 2 follow! LOL! I was SO PROUD of myself that my Jr. High School class was able to help the world feed a nation suffering from famine. It was the thing 2 do. I always thought the song was pretty and the melody is a memorable one.

"We Are The World," though by today's standards, is considered "sappy or corny," was truly anthemic! Richie and Jackson composed a very touching piece of music that not only united musical celebrity, but also united people from ALL walks of life to come 2gether and share in a unique campaign for humaneness. I have great memories of it when I hear it from time 2 time. smile

Hungry? Just look in the mirror and get fed up.
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