PatrickS77 said:

midnightmover said:

about the media's pro-MJ bias here.

LOL where have you been the past 30 years? There never has been anything like a "pro-MJ bias". The media has destroyed the man. And if one has no honour and should walk away, it's clearly you.

Lol, you know how he rolls. He ain't happy unless he's antagonising someone online. Talk about an empty life.
Maybe he was too busy masturbating into his Janet Jackson scrapbooks to notice the media hate campaign.

PatrickS77 said:

midnightmover said:

about the media's pro-MJ bias here.

LOL where have you been the past 30 years? There never has been anything like a "pro-MJ bias". The media has destroyed the man. And if one has no honour and should walk away, it's clearly you.

You tried arguing this last year in that big debate about Robson's under-reported allegations. You were unable to refute any of my points then and here again you are dodging the clear evidence given. That evasiveness is very revealing.

In fact you resorted to outright lying then, denying that Jason Frascia's testimony against Jackson received very little coverage. Denying that MJ was recorded making anti-semitic comments. I wonder if you're now going to deny that Jimmy Safechuck's allegations are also being ignored. You're so out of touch with reality it wouldn't surprise me one bit.

What about Terry George, midnightmover? Remember Terry? Terry is a multimillionaire with whom Jackson once had phone sex, as a boy. When I was a MJ lover, the mention of this person would send chills through my spine, because I knew I couldn't counterargument this.

MJ was constantly talking about racism against blacks. He would play the race card over and over again and give prolonged speeches on racism. Yet, he uttered anti-semitic bullshit again and again. The irony!

I vaguely remember an actor, I think his name was Corey Feldman or something close, who claimed Jackson would show him photos of diseases in genitalia. What kind of thirty something yo man goes out of his way to, out of nowhere, show a 6 yo boy pics of infected genitalia?

Terry George was investigated by the FBI who found no leads and closed the book on him. George admitted that the tabloids embellished his story with their own "facts" but refused to say which "facts". Why? Because he gets paid by the tabloids every time he opens his mouth on the subject.

Cloudbuster said:

Terry George was investigated by the FBI who found no leads and closed the book on him. George admitted that the tabloids embellished his story with their own "facts" but refused to say which "facts". Why? Because he gets paid by the tabloids every time he opens his mouth on the subject.

Terry George said, with the full words, that MJ had had phone sex with him. Whether the tabloids did this or that, does not erase these words. Whatever George said about the tabloids, he never retracted these words.

No, George doesn't get paid by anybody. He is a multimillionare. He doesn't need any money from tabloids.

What about that? How are you going to get around this?

Schubert said:

Intrigueing, but is it true?

Compelling fact or intellectualism run amok?

Beautifulstarr123 said:

Schubert said:

Terry George said, with the full words, that MJ had had phone sex with him. Whether the tabloids did this or that, does not erase these words. Whatever George said about the tabloids, he never retracted these words.

No, George doesn't get paid by anybody. He is a multimillionare. He doesn't need any money from tabloids.

What about that? How are you going to get around this?

Ok, so do you have a video or a link to substantiate this phone sex claim? Does the court have it? If you got it, then I'm convinced.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXuighay_r8

3rdeyedude said:

Jermaine is right, in my opinion.

http://www.huffingtonpost...75108.html

Michael would not have approved of Xscape. But since when has anyone ever cared about his feelings?

I have to respectfully disagree with you here 3rdeyedude. When I read this I thought " And that is why MJ did not make Jermaine his executor." The fact is MJ made Branca and McClain his executors because he knew these two men would maximise the earnings for his estate should something happen to him. I find it hard to believe MJ and his executors did not have a conversation about releasing music posthumously.

Prince has a vault which he talks about being released after he is gone, Tupac had one too...yup I think MJ had the same plan too.

dm3857 said:

Honestly, I wish the estate would treat MJ's legacy the way the Elvis Presley Estate treats his. Elvis's Estate has the "Follow That Dream Records" which serves as a collectors type label which releases rehearsals, live soundboard recordings, studio outtakes, home demos, concert footage, etc.

Thats what should be going on here. I'm probably going to sound like I'm repeating myself but I mean, for the most part, the fans that are buying the recent MJ releases are the dye hards. WE ARE THE TARGET AUDIENCE. Man, there's just so much they could do, from hayvenhurst and neverland demos, to album outtakes, recording sessions footage, live albums. Destiny, Triumph, Victory, Bad, Dangerous, HIStory tours, rehearsal footage, etc... Sometimes I wish they ran things kind of like the NPG music club, you pay so much amount of money monthly/yearly and new things are released throughout the year. That would be perfect.

i believe all that stuff will come out after they release the unrelased songs. Aren't they still releasing Jimi Hendricks stuff? As long as there is a paying market for MJs stuff there will be a lot more releases.

MJ was always about being as big as possible. They are going to release the stuff which has widest appeal first. That means new music, updated for today's buying audience.

As for the die-hards...are we really the only ones buying MJs music? Maybe some of us are..but there are a lot of new kids too.

midnightmover said:

SoulAlive said:

Funny that you never mention the 2005 trial,where it was revealed that the boy's mother was a FRAUD who routinely lies,deceives and coaches her children to do the same.She has even filed bogus lawsuits against companies like JC Penneys',trying to get her hands on some big cash.This goes back to what I said earlier.People will lie and say anything,if it means a big payday for them.

lol, talk about changing the subject. We're talking about the media's pro-MJ bias here. Your post is cowardly since it completely runs away from the clear evidence I gave of this bias. Do you actually want to address those points? If not then just walk away, but please don't try and change the subject. It's not honourable.

I don't really care about the media or their so-called "pro-MJ bias".I simply want to see your proof that Michael was a child molester.If you're gonna make a strong accusation like that,you should be able to back it up with solid facts.Or are you seriously suggesting that the media somehow "saved" Michael from being convicted of any crime? That's a lame point of view.

You're hilarious You stay away from this site for months,but then the moment someone starts an anti-Janet thread or new accusations against Michael come out,you jump right back in with a vengeance...LOL

SoulAlive said:

midnightmover said:

lol, talk about changing the subject. We're talking about the media's pro-MJ bias here. Your post is cowardly since it completely runs away from the clear evidence I gave of this bias. Do you actually want to address those points? If not then just walk away, but please don't try and change the subject. It's not honourable.

I don't really care about the media or their so-called "pro-MJ bias".I simply want to see your proof that Michael was a child molester.If you're gonna make a strong accusation like that,you should be able to back it up with solid facts.Or are you seriously suggesting that the media somehow "saved" Michael from being convicted of any crime? That's a lame point of view.

You're hilarious You stay away from this site for months,but then the moment someone starts an anti-Janet thread or new accusations against Michael come out,you jump right back in with a vengeance...LOL

You claimed the media were just being fair in ignoring this story yet when I prove you wrong you suddenly "don't really care about the media". How convenient.

And I'm still waiting for you to tell me why you think it's perfectly fine for a gay man to invite strings of good-looking boys into his bed. You've dodged this question repeatedly. Care to answer now?

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Cloudbuster said:

Terry George was investigated by the FBI who found no leads and closed the book on him. George admitted that the tabloids embellished his story with their own "facts" but refused to say which "facts". Why? Because he gets paid by the tabloids every time he opens his mouth on the subject.

Stop lying. Terry George has never been paid by tabloids and he has spoken about the incident many times so there is no need to rely on tabloid accounts.

It was back in 2003 when I saw Terry George speaking on the Louis Theroux documentary that the penny first dropped and I realised MJ was a pedophile. A few days later he was arrested on separate charges. It's a shame he's not alive now so he can't be arrested again.

my favorite song by MJ in the past 23 years

all this chaos going on right now, this song speaks on all of it

MJ spoke on it, telling the world that he was caught up in the belly of the whale of the Pop Ascension and everything associated with it, tearing him up alive.......

and he personified that literally and metaphor thru the movie Free Willy

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Did anyone see that lyric interpretation for A Place With No Name floating around Facebook? The song is supposedly about a ghost who doesn't know he's dead. Makes me love it more.

As anyone with half a brain, or basic reading/comprehension skills knows, the answer to this question is yes.

CynicKill said:

Intrigueing, but is it true?

Compelling fact or intellectualism run amok?

The guy has some very good points, but he is also trying to pass off his beliefs as facts. So I would say Intrigueing with some truth and some untruths. I wouldn't quite say run amok, but he should not state his assuptions and conclusions as factual...particularly about MJ being a pedophile. And female hormones? I thought that rumour had been put to bed a long time ago.

I also dislike the way he makes it seem as if MJ was a complete puppet in his own celebrity. That was simply not true. However there is a lot of truth in his analysis as well. The stuff he talks about "celebrity culture and consumer culture" is on point.

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There is no evidence that MJ ever abused anyone. Zero. Zip. Zilch. Nada.

If you want to believe the lies of money grabbing fools who have been discredited time and time again, then you have an agenda. Simple.

Militant said:

Beautifulstarr123 said:

Militant said:

As anyone with half a brain, or basic reading/comprehension skills knows, the answer to this question is yes.

Is it this month's issue?

No this came out shortly after MJ settled back in 1993 - 4, if I am not mistaken.

Beautifulstarr123 said:Is it this month's issue?

No this came out shortly after MJ settled back in 1993 - 4, if I am not mistaken.

DonRants said:

CynicKill said:

Intrigueing, but is it true?

Compelling fact or intellectualism run amok?

The guy has some very good points, but he is also trying to pass off his beliefs as facts. So I would say Intrigueing with some truth and some untruths. I wouldn't quite say run amok, but he should not state his assuptions and conclusions as factual...particularly about MJ being a pedophile. And female hormones? I thought that rumour had been put to bed a long time ago.

I also dislike the way he makes it seem as if MJ was a complete puppet in his own celebrity. That was simply not true. However there is a lot of truth in his analysis as well. The stuff he talks about "celebrity culture and consumer culture" is on point.

[Edited 8/17/14 14:54pm]

What I took from most of his points is that true or not, MJ, like all celebrity, is an image and a creation of the media, and therefore not worthy of devotion or serious attention. All the points about pedophilia and hormones and puppetry and the like only certifies the point that we "know" too much. It's a soap opera that the media is all too willing to exploit and drag out as long as they can, and it has no relevance in terms of our individual realities.