as Gloria Gaynor once said...."What were these people (at that rally) doing with disco records in the first place?"

I never understood their hatred of disco music.If you don't like something,simply don't listen to it.I despise heavy metal,so you won't find no heavy metal records in my collection.I just ignore that music.

Cinny said:

RodeoSchro said:

Absolutely not. Nor was it a homophobic statement. It was plain and simple a statement by rockers that they didn't like disco. There were no ulterior motives whatsoever.

I'm more inclined to believe Vainandy's short essay, which explains WHY they didn't like it.

No problem. I will add, however, that in the '70's I was not "RodeoSchro".

I was "DiscoSchro".

So here is an essay from DiscoSchro!

When country music dethroned rock and disco back in 1980, country music dance clubs replaced discos. But even still - those clubs played small sets of disco and rock songs. And the dance floors were more filled up during those songs than during the country songs.

So it was more of a "we don't mind that music all that much, we just don't want to hear a lot of it" mindset.

I'm sure some rednecks associated disco with gays, but that wasn't the driving factor of the "Disco Sucks!" phenomenon. My impression at the time that was that it was driven by: (1) First and foremost, the disco clothes went out of style with a quickness; and (2) Disco music didn't evolve. Face it - after four or five years, all the good ideas were played. Pretty much all the disco put out at the end sounded the same.

That's the way I saw it as it happened.

vainandy said:

RodeoSchro said:

Absolutely not. Nor was it a homophobic statement. It was plain and simple a statement by rockers that they didn't like disco. There were no ulterior motives whatsoever.

Then why the backlash to that degree of extreme? Hell, I hate shit hop but I'm not blowing up CDs in a stadium and the reason I hate it, other than the ignorant image involved in it, is mainly because there's no funk or new genre to take it's place that is as enjoyable as funk was since shit hop took it's place. But there was no shortage of rock back then. Hell, it was played on the same stations side by side with disco and there were even full fledged all rock stations too. And if they didn't like the current state of rock back then, disco certainly had nothing to do with it because they were two completely different genres. Sure, a few rockers made a disco record but they were very few compared to the amount of other rock that was out there so it wasn't like disco was snuffing out rock altogether. When someone hates a genre to that extreme, there's usually a reason for it and the reason is, it just irked the hell out of them to hear those black sounding songs all on the radio next to their rock songs and even seeing their fellow white friends into the disco music and also seeing those flashy shiney gay looking outfits all over the place.

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LMAO, maybe YOU aren't blowing anything up but check this out!

http://gawker.com/disco-d...1606033571

This weekend, Charleston, South Carolina's RiverDogs will attempt to capture the (Disco Demolition Night) magic again in a game against the Augusta GreenJackets. From the Los Angeles Times:

"Like so many, we have taken special exception to Justin Bieber and Miley Cyrus's music along with his numerous run-ins with the law and her controversial performances," RiverDogs General Manager Dave Echols said in a news release. "'Disco Demolition 2' is dedicated to the eradication of their dread musical disease, like the original Disco Demolition attempted to do. We are going to take Bieber and Cyrus's merchandise and memorabilia, put it in a giant box, and blow it to smithereens. It is all in good fun, and we guarantee there won't be a forfeit of a game."

I seriously read this article one minute before I read your comment.

SoulAlive said:

as Gloria Gaynor once said...."What were these people (at that rally) doing with disco records in the first place?"

I never understood their hatred of disco music.If you don't like something,simply don't listen to it.I despise heavy metal,so you won't find no heavy metal records in my collection.I just ignore that music.

That says it all right there. They were encouraged to bring something they already had to begin with, which means they previously liked it or they wouldn't have bought it to begin with. And if you hate something that much, you certainly don't go out and buy it for the occassion of bombing it because that will increase the sales of the object of your hate which will help it to grow even more. Which means they were encouraged hate it which leads the question open as to WHY were they encouraged to hate it.

exactly

uPtoWnNY said:

Cinny said:

I'm more inclined to believe Vainandy's short essay, which explains WHY they didn't like it.

Vainandy is 1000% right. I was a teenager during those years. I remember the shit the disco sucks fucktards said - I was in college with many of them....[N word snip - luv4u] music, [homophobe slur snip - luv4u] music, take your pick.

Sure, some people said that. But they also said it when disco ruled the airwaves, the clubs, and the fashion industry.

I submit that there were not any more racist disco haters in 1980 than there were in 1976. It's not like 30 million people went from being non-racist disco-lovers, to becoming racist redneck disco haters in four years.

Disco just went out of style and when it did, those that hated it got their 15 minutes of fame.

vainandy said:

SoulAlive said:

as Gloria Gaynor once said...."What were these people (at that rally) doing with disco records in the first place?"

I never understood their hatred of disco music.If you don't like something,simply don't listen to it.I despise heavy metal,so you won't find no heavy metal records in my collection.I just ignore that music.

That says it all right there. They were encouraged to bring something they already had to begin with, which means they previously liked it or they wouldn't have bought it to begin with. And if you hate something that much, you certainly don't go out and buy it for the occassion of bombing it because that will increase the sales of the object of your hate which will help it to grow even more. Which means they were encouraged hate it which leads the question open as to WHY were they encouraged to hate it.

It just went out of style! No one encouraged anyone to hate it. Look, disco ruled the charts, airwaves and clothing stores for 4 or 5 years. It's not like everyone turned into racists at the end of that 5-year reign.

Disco simply went out of style. And then that small minority of racists that had always hated disco got their 15 minutes of fame, but they were quickly replaced by the punk/New Wave British invasion.

RodeoSchro said:

vainandy said:

LMAO, maybe YOU aren't blowing anything up but check this out!

http://gawker.com/disco-d...1606033571

This weekend, Charleston, South Carolina's RiverDogs will attempt to capture the (Disco Demolition Night) magic again in a game against the Augusta GreenJackets. From the Los Angeles Times:

"Like so many, we have taken special exception to Justin Bieber and Miley Cyrus's music along with his numerous run-ins with the law and her controversial performances," RiverDogs General Manager Dave Echols said in a news release. "'Disco Demolition 2' is dedicated to the eradication of their dread musical disease, like the original Disco Demolition attempted to do. We are going to take Bieber and Cyrus's merchandise and memorabilia, put it in a giant box, and blow it to smithereens. It is all in good fun, and we guarantee there won't be a forfeit of a game."

I seriously read this article one minute before I read your comment.

Well, Justin Bieber is a spoiled brat little pain in the ass.

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But even this is still in that mindset of "let's blow up the fag shit" because he looks very girlish. Every time he does something that makes the news, there are tons of comments on the pages after each article of how "she" looks very pretty or "who is that little girl". Hell, I make them too but not out of hate like some of the comments but more of a "who does he think he's fooling" catty kind of way when we see one of our own trying to pass for straight. But it would be like an orgasm for me to see a shit hop demolition night, not blowing up the records of the little wannabes, but blowing up the records of the hardcore criminal looking assholes out there.

the funny thing is,disco never really went away.Records that were previously labeled as "disco songs" were simply re-named "dance music" in the early 80s.And now,in today's pop music,you see many artists trying to go for a retro-disco sound.

RodeoSchro said:

vainandy said:

That says it all right there. They were encouraged to bring something they already had to begin with, which means they previously liked it or they wouldn't have bought it to begin with. And if you hate something that much, you certainly don't go out and buy it for the occassion of bombing it because that will increase the sales of the object of your hate which will help it to grow even more. Which means they were encouraged hate it which leads the question open as to WHY were they encouraged to hate it.

It just went out of style! No one encouraged anyone to hate it. Look, disco ruled the charts, airwaves and clothing stores for 4 or 5 years. It's not like everyone turned into racists at the end of that 5-year reign.

Disco simply went out of style. And then that small minority of racists that had always hated disco got their 15 minutes of fame, but they were quickly replaced by the punk/New Wave British invasion.

From what I've seen, is that white racists will enjoy black entertainment as much as anyone else until it starts getting too close to home. As long as it's something strictly on TV or going on accross town somewhere in a black neighborhood, they're fine with it. But when it starts growing to the point that other white people start venturing into black neighborhoods to enjoy it, or white clubs start enjoying it and playing it enough to the extent that they will welcome black patrons in to enjoy it with them and start having an attitude such as ......"Why shouldn't I party alongside black people elbow to elbow on the dancefloor? Hell, they're the ones making this music I like so much so they can't be as bad as everyone else is making them out to be.".....then, they start having a problem with it because white people are beginning to socialize with black people and then may start seeing them as equals and then some of them may even start dating them. Studio 54 was popping up in the magazines and TV news from time to time also as having just the right mix of whites, blacks, straights, and gays all partying all night long side by side along with celebrities. Clutch the pearls, what if this should catch on nationwide? And they partied up next to those faggots too and didn't whoop their ass for being in there? Oh hell naw, we sure as hell can't let that catch on. When you've got a bunch of hate mongers out there observing all of this and it just burns their ass up to see blacks and gays possibly end up socializing with whites in a voluntary setting other than a forced one such as school or work, and add that to the fact that it was only a decade after the Civil Rights Movement and the mindset at the time was that you DO NOT mix with black people, to get someone to give up what they previously liked before is very simple. You simply call them a "nigger lover" if they don't and they will quickly give it up because nobody wanted that label back then. The four or five year time period you're talking about of disco's reign did occur and no, people didn't just wake up one day and say "I hate disco.". The ones that already hated it, sat there and brewed and brewed until they reached a boiling point. Yes, disco would have eventually died on it's own without the backlash but not abruptly as it did. But I disagree that by 1979 it was all starting to sound alike. Donna Summer was adding rock elements to her disco on songs like "Hot Stuff", Anita Ward's "Ring My Bell" didn't sound like anything else, funk groups like Con Funk Shun were bringing more of a funky edge to it with songs like "Chase Me",......Hell, Michael Jackson's "Off The Wall" album was like nothing else at the time.

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Music is a very powerful tool and it does bring people together. Shit hop, as boring and untalented as it is, has brought much more whites and blacks together than disco ever did. Hell, I guess they share a common like for "dull" but it has definately brought more younger whites and blacks together. I saw disco first starting to do that previously but on a much smaller level though because race mingling was still considered taboo by most whites back then so not many were going to go that far and venture into it. But I definitely saw and remember a strong hate back then that white people were going to start liking black people more than just listening to them on their records.

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Y'all remember TheRealFiness that used to be on the org? I had this thread over on Facebook and he wanted me to post his reply.

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  Brotha Finess And you use the org as a reference? that's like using Wikipedia for a paper

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  Vain Andy I used that link because I already had a long ass post over there so I wouldn't have to repeat it over here. LOL

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  Brotha Finess And I am sure it was chock full of knob based replies

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  Brotha Finess Listen, The "Disco sucks" movement was like any other movement, the old folks bashed the hippies, the former hippies bashed the disco movement, all it was, was a revolving door of changes in the generation, and the fact the majority of the people who were involved in the disco sucks movement, had no rhythm whatsoever.

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  Vain Andy Actually, most of the replies over there have been pretty good. I see there's one person over there that completely denies any racism or homophobia involved in the incident whatsoever. LOL

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  Brotha Finess It didn't bug me I grew up on all kinds of music when Disco hit me?, shit it was like cupid's arrow . People weren't open to changes and Disco was just too much for them.

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  Brotha Finess People are scared of what they don't understand so the next move for them is riot and act a fuckin' fool.

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  Brotha Finess btw feel free to post my reply to this on the org

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  Vain Andy OK, I will. LOL

everything Vainandy writes about the 75-85 era is 100% gold , and I mean it

listen to him when he speaks about the 75-85, since he's always right, and welcome back

I remember the time pretty well even though I was very young. I might have even worn a DISCO SUCKS button at one time.

I don't dispute there was a lot of racism and a lot of homophobia in those days, those views were a lot more commonly stated than today. These days people at least try to hide those views most of the time, back then it wasn't necessary.

But I don't recall the anti-disco thing being really tied to one of the other, at least not how I understood it as a 10 year old. Like I said homophobia was very mainstream but we didn't really know much about gay people. Most were still in the closet and people regarded them as like aliens from another planet. I never heard of disco being associated with gay people until the 80s at least. It was largely black music but you had KC and the Sunshine Band and people like that out there too.

Maybe some of that was simmering underneath and the grown-ups understood it better than I did. I thought it was just about music at the time. I may have been naive and totally missed it. But I think the people who think that ALL disco haters hated disco because they were racist homophobes and for no other reason, are also not quite right.

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JoeTyler said:

everything Vainandy writes about the 75-85 era is 100% gold , and I mean it

listen to him when he speaks about the 75-85, since he's always right, and welcome back

Thank you honey. Now, where's my welcome back present? I want more than just those black underwear you showed me last time.

Interesting subject!

I think it was seen as more ''manly'' to play guitar for a rock band. VS playing guitar for a disco band for example...

Also, like with funk, bass was the main thing. The bass often outshined the guitar (which in funk music happened most of the time) and i think a lot of ''white rockers'' don't like bass lead songs. Think of how many bass players in rock are absolute boring shits. There are the greats like John Paul Jones, John Entwistle, and Greg Murphy. But rock bands seemed to hate heavy bass going along in their music.

Also, punk was getting big. Punk never had the mainstream impact of disco. But the punk movement HATED disco for whatever fucking reason... probably cause they were all miserable fucks.

I LOVE LOVE LOVE punk music to death. It's a great form of aggression and stories of anger. But most punk bands could never be half as good musically as a disco band. Disco bands had some great production, instrumentals, and musicians involved. I think it was also the ''happy'' vibe that most disco songs had. People i guess wanted something more hardcore and angry (Ala punk or rock) Yet the movement that punk came from... eventually become New Wave. Which, save for a few bands. Was pretty upbeat a lot of the time... hmmm....

I'm still shocked at the i hate disco movement. No form of music has ever caused a stadium to burn records like that... except disco. Of all the shitty music ''art forms'' that have come and gone... disco was the one that caused riots and burning of thousands of records

Vainandy spoke truth, and that response probably should shut down this thread. BUT, my two duckets...

Yeah it was very racist and homophobic.

Sadly during that time the so-called disco bubble burst, veteran black artists and groups who clearly were not disco also were shunned, many great albums got little to no airplay, and flopped undeservedly. Why? Black faces on the cover + Danceable Music = DISCO = HELL NO. Looking in your direction, radio program directors.

Also, I found it funny that they weren't going after Christopher Cross, who was selling like crazy, and was no where near rock. I was a kid back then, but many times I overheard blatantly horrific remarks like, "..that nigger music", and "bebop shit" from white teens.

And lets not pretend there was a lot of stellar material coming from rock artists during that time, either. Some great post-punk records, though. Lots of "disco-fied light-rock" coming through the pipes, and they ALL got a pass. Joey Scarbury, Toto, Little River Band, Pablo Cruise, Orleans, ELO, Robbie Dupree, Nicolette Larson, Rupert Holmes, and I dug those records, too. But, all white faces, who Paul Mooney would quote as "having the complexion for the protection."

Gunsnhalen said:

Interesting subject!

I think it was seen as more ''manly'' to play guitar for a rock band. VS playing guitar for a disco band for example...

Also, like with funk, bass was the main thing. The bass often outshined the guitar (which in funk music happened most of the time) and i think a lot of ''white rockers'' don't like bass lead songs. Think of how many bass players in rock are absolute boring shits. There are the greats like John Paul Jones, John Entwistle, and Greg Murphy. But rock bands seemed to hate heavy bass going along in their music.

Also, punk was getting big. Punk never had the mainstream impact of disco. But the punk movement HATED disco for whatever fucking reason... probably cause they were all miserable fucks.

I LOVE LOVE LOVE punk music to death. It's a great form of aggression and stories of anger. But most punk bands could never be half as good musically as a disco band. Disco bands had some great production, instrumentals, and musicians involved. I think it was also the ''happy'' vibe that most disco songs had. People i guess wanted something more hardcore and angry (Ala punk or rock) Yet the movement that punk came from... eventually become New Wave. Which, save for a few bands. Was pretty upbeat a lot of the time... hmmm....

I'm still shocked at the i hate disco movement. No form of music has ever caused a stadium to burn records like that... except disco. Of all the shitty music ''art forms'' that have come and gone... disco was the one that caused riots and burning of thousands of records

No matter what else, we should all agree on, and be thankful for, the fact this thread isn't in P&R!

bobzilla77 said:

I remember the time pretty well even though I was very young. I might have even worn a DISCO SUCKS button at one time.

I don't dispute there was a lot of racism and a lot of homophobia in those days, those views were a lot more commonly stated than today. These days people at least try to hide those views most of the time, back then it wasn't necessary.

But I don't recall the anti-disco thing being really tied to one of the other, at least not how I understood it as a 10 year old. Like I said homophobia was very mainstream but we didn't really know much about gay people. Most were still in the closet and people regarded them as like aliens from another planet. I never heard of disco being associated with gay people until the 80s at least. It was largely black music but you had KC and the Sunshine Band and people like that out there too.

Maybe some of that was simmering underneath and the grown-ups understood it better than I did. I thought it was just about music at the time. I may have been naive and totally missed it. But I think the people who think that ALL disco haters hated disco because they were racist homophobes and for no other reason, are also not quite right.

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I was around the same age as you at that time and as kids, we didn't know the reasons behind the whole backlash, we just imitated the preferences of the adults. The boys in my class would have disco vs. rock arguments (the girls were above this nonsense) and divide the classroom during lunch where one side was rock and the other side was disco. Sure enough all the white boys sat on the rock side of the room to eat lunch and all the black and Latin boys sat on the disco side.

RodeoSchro said:

vainandy said:

That says it all right there. They were encouraged to bring something they already had to begin with, which means they previously liked it or they wouldn't have bought it to begin with. And if you hate something that much, you certainly don't go out and buy it for the occassion of bombing it because that will increase the sales of the object of your hate which will help it to grow even more. Which means they were encouraged hate it which leads the question open as to WHY were they encouraged to hate it.

It just went out of style! No one encouraged anyone to hate it. Look, disco ruled the charts, airwaves and clothing stores for 4 or 5 years. It's not like everyone turned into racists at the end of that 5-year reign.

Disco simply went out of style. And then that small minority of racists that had always hated disco got their 15 minutes of fame, but they were quickly replaced by the punk/New Wave British invasion.

The British invasion in the 80s was huge thanks to MTV, but punk was not part of it. Punk didn't catch on in the states until the 90s when Green Day sold millions of records. The punk bands that had the most success in the states in the late 70s/early 80s were the ones that discofied their sound enough to get top ten hits that previously eluded them like Blondie's "Heart of Glass" and The Clash's "Rock The Casbah".

Gunsnhalen said:

Also, punk was getting big. Punk never had the mainstream impact of disco. But the punk movement HATED disco for whatever fucking reason... probably cause they were all miserable fucks.

I don't think punk really caught on in the US, other than as an underground thing. It never became mainstream or got Top 40 play. It wasn't on American Bandstand or The Midnight Special. I've read that new wave was based on punk, but with keyboards. New wavish music like The Cars became popular. The Cars had guitars and drums though, it wasn't all synths like Human League. Other arena rock groups like Foreigner had keyboards too, unlike many of the hard rock bands. MTV coming about helped the synth pop acts.

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It's interesting that disco and then the next craze Urban Cowboy had John Travolta as the face of it. John was also part of the 1950's thing popular in the 70's with Grease. TV shows like Happy Days, Laverne & Shirley, and Sha Na Na were part of this too. There was the movie American Graffiti as well. I think the 1970's is when the oldies radio format came into being, which played 1950's and early 1960's hits. In the early 1980's, there was The New Leave It To Beaver, where Beaver & Wally are grown up.

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bobzilla77 said:

I remember the time pretty well even though I was very young. I might have even worn a DISCO SUCKS button at one time.

I don't dispute there was a lot of racism and a lot of homophobia in those days, those views were a lot more commonly stated than today. These days people at least try to hide those views most of the time, back then it wasn't necessary.

But I don't recall the anti-disco thing being really tied to one of the other, at least not how I understood it as a 10 year old. Like I said homophobia was very mainstream but we didn't really know much about gay people. Most were still in the closet and people regarded them as like aliens from another planet. I never heard of disco being associated with gay people until the 80s at least. It was largely black music but you had KC and the Sunshine Band and people like that out there too.

Maybe some of that was simmering underneath and the grown-ups understood it better than I did. I thought it was just about music at the time. I may have been naive and totally missed it. But I think the people who think that ALL disco haters hated disco because they were racist homophobes and for no other reason, are also not quite right.

I was around the same age as you at that time and as kids, we didn't know the reasons behind the whole backlash, we just imitated the preferences of the adults. The boys in my class would have disco vs. rock arguments (the girls were above this nonsense) and divide the classroom during lunch where one side was rock and the other side was disco. Sure enough all the white boys sat on the rock side of the room to eat lunch and all the black and Latin boys sat on the disco side.

That's sad as hell.

bobzilla77 said:

I remember the time pretty well even though I was very young. I might have even worn a DISCO SUCKS button at one time.

I don't dispute there was a lot of racism and a lot of homophobia in those days, those views were a lot more commonly stated than today. These days people at least try to hide those views most of the time, back then it wasn't necessary.

But I don't recall the anti-disco thing being really tied to one of the other, at least not how I understood it as a 10 year old. Like I said homophobia was very mainstream but we didn't really know much about gay people. Most were still in the closet and people regarded them as like aliens from another planet. I never heard of disco being associated with gay people until the 80s at least. It was largely black music but you had KC and the Sunshine Band and people like that out there too.

Maybe some of that was simmering underneath and the grown-ups understood it better than I did. I thought it was just about music at the time. I may have been naive and totally missed it. But I think the people who think that ALL disco haters hated disco because they were racist homophobes and for no other reason, are also not quite right.

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I was 12 which is only two years older than you and I had no idea of disco's gay roots until I was an adult. I had no idea what The Village People were really singing about on "YMCA" and I think most of the adult straight world didn't know either. I watched "Soul Train", "American Bandstand", "Dance Fever" and our local Soul Train type TV show called "Black Gold" weekly and had no idea that most of the male dancers were gay. Looking back at the old episodes now, I think to myself, how the hell did I NOT know but when you're that young, you don't know much about that type of stuff so you don't really notice, nor care. I knew damn well what those damn "Solid Gold" dancers were though from very first glance. I may have not associated them with actually "gay" back then, but I could see they definitely were extremely sissified with all that damn toe pointing and leaping like ballet dancers. I never noticed it with the dancers on the other shows though because since gay people were talked about so badly and were said to be so nerdy and into things like ballet and classical music, I never dreamed that gay people could throwdown that hard on a dancefloor or even make such a hard funky genre such as disco. When I became an adult years later and found out that disco was full of gay people from the music, to the dancers, to even being started and having it's roots in the gay clubs, it made me extremely proud of the genre for shattering those old nerdy dorky stereotypes of gay people being geeky "Waldos".

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I think a lot of the adults at that time had no idea of it's actual gay roots and references at the time either but could spot the "sissy" look out more than we could and could put two and two together and figure out that the gay ones were either gay or at least speculate that they were gay and back then, if it was speculated that you were gay, you were hated as much as if you actually were gay. I heard far more racist rants about disco back then than I heard gay rants because you can immediately look at someone and know if they're black but you have to kind of observe someone for a while to see if they're gay. But I also heard plenty of gay rants also and I don't think they knew the roots of disco either but just hated it because they could see a little more of the "sissy" look than we noticed and could sense it's presence.

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RodeoSchro said:

Gunsnhalen said:

Interesting subject!

I think it was seen as more ''manly'' to play guitar for a rock band. VS playing guitar for a disco band for example...

Also, like with funk, bass was the main thing. The bass often outshined the guitar (which in funk music happened most of the time) and i think a lot of ''white rockers'' don't like bass lead songs. Think of how many bass players in rock are absolute boring shits. There are the greats like John Paul Jones, John Entwistle, and Greg Murphy. But rock bands seemed to hate heavy bass going along in their music.

Also, punk was getting big. Punk never had the mainstream impact of disco. But the punk movement HATED disco for whatever fucking reason... probably cause they were all miserable fucks.

I LOVE LOVE LOVE punk music to death. It's a great form of aggression and stories of anger. But most punk bands could never be half as good musically as a disco band. Disco bands had some great production, instrumentals, and musicians involved. I think it was also the ''happy'' vibe that most disco songs had. People i guess wanted something more hardcore and angry (Ala punk or rock) Yet the movement that punk came from... eventually become New Wave. Which, save for a few bands. Was pretty upbeat a lot of the time... hmmm....

I'm still shocked at the i hate disco movement. No form of music has ever caused a stadium to burn records like that... except disco. Of all the shitty music ''art forms'' that have come and gone... disco was the one that caused riots and burning of thousands of records

No matter what else, we should all agree on, and be thankful for, the fact this thread isn't in P&R!

yes!!! it would get ugly in there and the discussion wouldn't be as healthy as here.

sexton said:

RodeoSchro said:

It just went out of style! No one encouraged anyone to hate it. Look, disco ruled the charts, airwaves and clothing stores for 4 or 5 years. It's not like everyone turned into racists at the end of that 5-year reign.

Disco simply went out of style. And then that small minority of racists that had always hated disco got their 15 minutes of fame, but they were quickly replaced by the punk/New Wave British invasion.

The British invasion in the 80s was huge thanks to MTV, but punk was not part of it. Punk didn't catch on in the states until the 90s when Green Day sold millions of records. The punk bands that had the most success in the states in the late 70s/early 80s were the ones that discofied their sound enough to get top ten hits that previously eluded them like Blondie's "Heart of Glass" and The Clash's "Rock The Casbah".

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Going off what Mickey said as well... i wonder if the disco thing hurt Travolta for awhile. He had Midnight Cowboy & Staying Alive... but weren't most his movies duds in the 80s?

Then bands like Kiss chased the disco train and had a HUGE hit with it. Then they didn't sell well till they took the makeup off

Blondie was probably the luckiest of this group They started out more punk and hard rock. Then had what many see as ''the essential disco song'' or at least in the top 5 of them. Then the next year they went New Wave and rock, then they went Hip-Hop & Reggae. They got on and off trends quick

RodeoSchro said:

Gunsnhalen said:

Interesting subject!

I think it was seen as more ''manly'' to play guitar for a rock band. VS playing guitar for a disco band for example...

Also, like with funk, bass was the main thing. The bass often outshined the guitar (which in funk music happened most of the time) and i think a lot of ''white rockers'' don't like bass lead songs. Think of how many bass players in rock are absolute boring shits. There are the greats like John Paul Jones, John Entwistle, and Greg Murphy. But rock bands seemed to hate heavy bass going along in their music.

Also, punk was getting big. Punk never had the mainstream impact of disco. But the punk movement HATED disco for whatever fucking reason... probably cause they were all miserable fucks.

I LOVE LOVE LOVE punk music to death. It's a great form of aggression and stories of anger. But most punk bands could never be half as good musically as a disco band. Disco bands had some great production, instrumentals, and musicians involved. I think it was also the ''happy'' vibe that most disco songs had. People i guess wanted something more hardcore and angry (Ala punk or rock) Yet the movement that punk came from... eventually become New Wave. Which, save for a few bands. Was pretty upbeat a lot of the time... hmmm....

I'm still shocked at the i hate disco movement. No form of music has ever caused a stadium to burn records like that... except disco. Of all the shitty music ''art forms'' that have come and gone... disco was the one that caused riots and burning of thousands of records

No matter what else, we should all agree on, and be thankful for, the fact this thread isn't in P&R!

Ain't that the truth!

You think?

Regarding rock artists that jumped on the disco bandwagon, I made this playlist awhile back of top 40 songs by rock artists that also got played in dance clubs: http://prince.org/msg/8/405547 and it's interesting to see how the songs evolved from a distinct disco influence in the late 70s (The Rolling Stones, Kiss) to a stronger rock sound after the backlash in the early 80s (Survivor, Joan Jett) and then rock songs getting a remix for clubs in the mid-80s after dance music became accepted again (Bruce Springsteen, ZZ Top).

Gunsnhalen said:

Going off what Mickey said as well... i wonder if the disco thing hurt Travolta for awhile. He had Midnight Cowboy & Staying Alive... but weren't most his movies duds in the 80s?

I think Staying Alive flopped. After Urban Cowboy, I don't think John had another hit until Look Who's Talking, which was 1989. That was considered his comeback at the time. Urban Cowboy influenced the mechanical bull craze and line dancing. Country music started to crossover more in the late 1970's & early 1980's. Kenny Rogers Gambler movies were a big thing and rural/country based TV shows like Dukes Of Hazzard, BJ & The Bear, Barbara Mandrell & The Mandrell Sisters, Hee Haw, Carter Country, and Sherriff Lobo were hits. The Dukes became so popular that the studio made millions of dollars on merchandising and had a cartoon spin off. This probably began in the mid-1970s with Burt Reynolds movies like White Lightning, Gator, and Smokey & The Bandit which helped to popularize CB radios. Even Good Times had an episode about a CB.

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Like it's been pointed out, soft rock acts like Christopher Cross & Air Supply were a big thing in the early 1980s. It was harder for R&B music to get Top 40 pop airplay after "disco" died. Some people today wonder why did Michael Jackson release The Girl Is Mine as a 1st single. It fit what was popular on pop radio in 1982. Paul McCartney was still big then too, so that helped, and Paul was considered light rock/adult contemporary.

Gunsnhalen said:

Going off what Mickey said as well... i wonder if the disco thing hurt Travolta for awhile. He had Midnight Cowboy & Staying Alive... but weren't most his movies duds in the 80s?

Then bands like Kiss chased the disco train and had a HUGE hit with it. Then they didn't sell well till they took the makeup off

Blondie was probably the luckiest of this group They started out more punk and hard rock. Then had what many see as ''the essential disco song'' or at least in the top 5 of them. Then the next year they went New Wave and rock, then they went Hip-Hop & Reggae. They got on and off trends quick

Being from Mississippi, I loved "Urban Cowboy" because I could relate to all that scene because it was going on all around me. The trailer parks, the country music, the rednecks fighting, the skinny, trashy trailer tramps with the halter tops and no bras, cowboy boots, and faded jeans so tight that you could see the actual crack of their cat in them, the heffers getting beat up by trashy redneck boyfriends, the heffers riding in the pickup trucks with entire passenger side of the seat empty because she's got her trashy self parked right up underneath his ass while he's driving. Just pure trash honey! Trash! I think that movie was pretty successful. I remember seeing advertisements for "Staying Alive" but I never watched it because it didn't look very appealing to me. I just remember seeing him on the advertisements with a more "buff" body and what appeared to be "leaping" like those sissy ass Solid Gold dancers so the dancing sure wouldn't appeal to me. I don't know if it was successful or not. I do remember him being in an Olivia Newton John music video in the early 1980s that appeared to be clips from some movie that they may have done together at the time. I don't know though because I never was much into movies unless they appealed to me from seeing the advertisements on TV. I don't remember hearing a lot about John Travolta after that until the 1990s.

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As for Blondie, they were very diverse. I know they did rock and the disco record "Heart Of Glass", back to rock with "Call Me", then she did kind of a Carribean type tune called "The Tide Is High", then she got totally funky and did "Rapture".