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Thread started 07/15/14 7:47pm

babybugz

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Pop Music Needs Lady Gaga, Lady Gaga Needs an Editor

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Art is subjective. We all know this, and then we proceed to try and stick art into black and white, good and bad distinctions because art also makes us all irrational. This is especially true on the Internet, where middle ground seems to be nonexistent and if you happen to disagree with someone, not only are you wrong, but you're a troll.

It's hard to understand what makes people so irrational about Lady Gaga.

Consider the following: ARTPOP, her third album, has sold 2.5 million copies worldwide.

One side will look at that number and say, "See, she has tons of loyal fans who wants to buy her records!" The other side will say, "See, she's not as popular as she used to be and her career will soon die a fiery death!" The truth is probably somewhere in the middle.

Now, imagine how that irrationality might affect an artist. On one side you have everyone telling you everything you do is perfect, and the other is telling you everything you do is crap. The reality might actually be somewhere in the middle, but would you really be interested in the middle when you can have the irrational positivity?

Rumors of Lady Gaga's imminent career death are greatly exaggerated, but someone needs to move her closer to the middle.

Lady Gaga has yet to make a classic album, and that is not a troll.

The Fame is an okay album that it's easy to believe is great because it has four songs of varying levels of perfection; "Just Dance" and "LoveGame" are both basically perfect with small setbacks, "Poker Face" is perfect and "Paparazzi" zooms past perfection to some level we don't quite have words for. Things do get a lot better when you bolt The Fame Monster onto it, because "Telephone" and "Bad Romance" are also both perfect songs (and "Monster" is pretty nifty, too).

Born This Way is a very fun record that flirts with being a classic, but that weird stretch of not-so-great songs ("Judas"/"Americano"/"Hair") kills the momentum of the beginning, and a lot of the songs on the second half are plain good but not necessarily great.

Artpop, now that the initial wave of intense debate on whether or not it's going to ruin her career has passed, can finally start to be evaluated for what it actually is: an okay record. The bad

("Jewels 'n Drugs"/"Fashion") is still pretty bad, the good ("G.U.Y."/"Gypsy") is still pretty great and the baffling ("Do What U Want") was only made more confusing by those video clips that leaked out recently.

Here's the important part: Lady Gaga is absolutely capable of making a classic album. It takes almost superhuman-level talent to put together the body of singles that she has in the span of her career. So that begs the question: why hasn't she?

Well, that's where we get back in to the world of subjectivity, but the simplest answer may be this: she needs a strong producer to help direct her wilder impulses.

All artists should be true to themselves, of course, but all artists need to be willing to kill their babies when they're not working too. Artpop is proof that Gaga is perhaps a little too in love with her work. You cut out some of the fat from the record and we're not even having this conversation because deep inside Artpop is a good record being hidden by a lot of bloat.

A leaner, meaner ARTPOP still probably doesn't have the sales success of The Fame orBorn This Way, because no amount of trimming is going to magically make good singles appear (although perhaps if she spent more time working on what was good and less time on what wasn't a song like "Manicure" gets that extra bit of polish that makes it something special), but at least the critics wouldn't have been able to turn the narrative from "Lady Gaga releases another popular album" to "the Lady Gaga Experiment is over!"

That wouldn't stop the haters from finding reasons to hate her and it might make her fans a little more insufferable, but it would be better for an often-boring mainstream-pop landscape that needs Lady Gaga around to keep things interesting. If not for her, all we're left with the emotional vacuum that is Katy Perry, a bunch of other singers who sing whatever their producers tell them to and Taylor Swift, the John Cena of pop music who would become infinitely more interesting if she would just turn heel.

So yes, if Lady Gaga could just find a musical partner to help her turn her wilder impulses into something a bit more fun to listen to, we'd all be better off. Still irrational, of course, but certainly in a better place.

http://blogs.houstonpress.com/rocks/2014/07/lady_gaga_artpop_editor.php


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Reply #1 posted 07/15/14 9:03pm

CynicKill

I endorse this message.

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Reply #2 posted 07/15/14 9:44pm

Tuls101

The media really needs to give up on trying to make her a "legend" as they've been trying to do since she dropped her first single. Her downfall started 3 yrs after she hit the scene, just like about 50 other pop sluts the last decade. Three years after she hit the scene the general public started moving along. The payola to these media outlets is still doing wonders apparently. Try as they may, the public still seems to care less and less each passing month. She has her little freaks that she manipulates into thinking they can't live without her still, which of course pushes the general public even further away. Cant they just let her fall into her rightful place as headliner at gay pride events in mid-size cities across the USA with some GRACE please lol They are trying to push this poor girl into full mental breakdown mode by unnaturally prolonging (manipulating) her natural demise that clearly the public is more interested (or in this case NOT interested) in.
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Reply #3 posted 07/15/14 9:50pm

TheSanzSpot

Who cares? Seriously... I mean Lady Gaga is a straight rip off of Bowie, Christina Aguilera, Grace Jones, Madonna, Cyndi Lauper and Marilyn Manson. There's nothing ORIGINAL about her and she's annoying as hell. Gimmicks were cute for artists like the above mentioned from the 70's through the 90's, but not now! I'd say, bring back the ORIGINALS and let them show GAGA how it's really done. Her time is OVER!!! Let's just face it, no one care about her except her Little Monsters.

Her music sucks and so does her image!

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Reply #4 posted 07/16/14 1:27pm

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this was just a rebuttal 2 the Darren Hayes article from 2 days ago in Attitude Magazine titled "why the world needs a new madonna album" or something similar.

I'll leave it alone babe...just be me
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Reply #5 posted 07/16/14 2:53pm

jeidee

babybugz said:

So yes, if Kermit The Frog could just find a hand to help her turn her wilder impulses into something a bit more fun to listen to, we'd all be better off.


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If she could just find someone talented to tell her what to do, she'd be a puppet. Oh wait.

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Reply #6 posted 07/16/14 3:50pm

RodeoSchro

She's playing Houston tonight. Just for kicks, I looked to see what was available.

I can get second row, seats 1-2 (second row of arena - floor is general admission).

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Reply #7 posted 07/16/14 4:36pm

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Tired of all the Artpop hate, it's a fantastic album. Also 7 Days of Funk by Snoop & Dam Funk...both criminally slept on.

I'll leave it alone babe...just be me
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Reply #8 posted 07/16/14 4:51pm

alphastreet

I wanted to like it but I still don't even after waiting awhile to see if it grows on me. It's horrible and disappointing. I don't need reviews and jumping on the bandwagon to tell me that. I can see her coming back with a better effort next time though.

[Edited 7/16/14 16:51pm]

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Reply #9 posted 07/16/14 5:34pm

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i (still) wanna be that G-U-Y

I'll leave it alone babe...just be me
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Reply #10 posted 07/16/14 6:18pm

CynicKill

It's an album that lacks that magic. And some of it is horrid. But there's material on there that affirms that she's no fluke, "Gypsie" for one.

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Reply #11 posted 07/17/14 8:19am

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Pop music doesn't need Lady Gaga.
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Reply #12 posted 07/17/14 8:30am

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TheSanzSpot said:

Who cares? Seriously... I mean Lady Gaga is a straight rip off of Bowie, Christina Aguilera, Grace Jones, Madonna, Cyndi Lauper and Marilyn Manson. There's nothing ORIGINAL about her and she's annoying as hell. Gimmicks were cute for artists like the above mentioned from the 70's through the 90's, but not now! I'd say, bring back the ORIGINALS and let them show GAGA how it's really done. Her time is OVER!!! Let's just face it, no one care about her except her Little Monsters.

Her music sucks and so does her image!

So is Bowie who kept copying Tommy Steele and The Kinks, as well as The Beatles (circa Sgt Pepper), almost everyone you mentioned had copied someone in terms of style, or music.

I don't know why you guys here hate unorginality in current musicians, everyone is inspired by someone before him, Prince copied Jimi Hendrix's look for the better part of his career, and his dancing & stage showmanship was a copy off James Browns... Dude took everything from Sly Stone, to Led Zepp and Joni Mitchell, and made it his own.

As of Gaga, dude has talent as in "the talent" you may see in any other respected musician in the last 30 years. Her music is influenced by 80's rock pop music... plus, she produced some really good material: You & I, The Edge of Glory, Born This Way.

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Reply #13 posted 07/17/14 9:56am

alphastreet

CynicKill said:

It's an album that lacks that magic. And some of it is horrid. But there's material on there that affirms that she's no fluke, "Gypsie" for one.

I agree that a couple of songs stand out on their own without the other scraps in the way. Fashion and Do What You Want

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